Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

Kept quiet for almost 3 months too...hmmmm.

He was notified of the "adverse analytical finding" on 20 September 2017.
the BBC reports

B sample testing can take a while, and for a non-specified substance like salbutamol with no provisional suspension, there should not be any publicity until the B sample is in.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Nibali:

"It had rained during those day in Spain and so it seems difficult that he suffered with asthma. I’ve got the same problem but when it rains the pollen doesn’t cause any problems and you don’t even need to take one puff of Ventolin,” Nibali said, according to Tuttobici.

"For sure this is a terrible news for the sport and for me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-terrible-for-the-sport/

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

I think Froome might use his inhaler like he uses his bike computer when training and simply ignored the advice of the specialists and went for a leisurely 30 or so extra-curricular puffs.

Haha good one

 

[SafeBet]

Nibali:

"It had rained during those day in Spain and so it seems difficult that he suffered with asthma. I’ve got the same problem but when it rains the pollen doesn’t cause any problems and you don’t even need to take one puff of Ventolin,” Nibali said, according to Tuttobici.

"For sure this is a terrible news for the sport and for me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-terrible-for-the-sport/

I don't remember rain on stage 18 though.

 

[LosBrolin]

Nibali:

"It had rained during those day in Spain and so it seems difficult that he suffered with asthma. I’ve got the same problem but when it rains the pollen doesn’t cause any problems and you don’t even need to take one puff of Ventolin,” Nibali said, according to Tuttobici.

"For sure this is a terrible news for the sport and for me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-terrible-for-the-sport/

Daniel Friebe‏
@friebos

Note that Nibali's comments have now been edited on @tuttobiciweb_it website, with reference to Nibali's allergies and Ventolin removed. Curious...but guess that means they were originally "misreported" or have been withdrawn.

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/940917470277373952

 

[The Hitch]

If Sky is team Transparent, why didnt they leak this themselves.

You know since there is nothing to hide, they should have released it straight away 3 months ago to prove just how anti doping they really are.

 

[fasthill]

You master the art of hiding the heavy duty stuff and then trip over on freaking Salbutamol. Nothing is foolproof.

 

[WheelofGear]

Nibali:

"It had rained during those day in Spain and so it seems difficult that he suffered with asthma. I’ve got the same problem but when it rains the pollen doesn’t cause any problems and you don’t even need to take one puff of Ventolin,” Nibali said, according to Tuttobici.

"For sure this is a terrible news for the sport and for me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-terrible-for-the-sport/

Daniel Friebe‏
@friebos

Note that Nibali's comments have now been edited on @tuttobiciweb_it website, with reference to Nibali's allergies and Ventolin removed. Curious...but guess that means they were originally "misreported" or have been withdrawn.

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/940917470277373952

80-90% of the top riders is probably "suffering" from asthma and allergies. Bending the rules will get you longer than breaking them.

 

[deValtos]

Re: Re:

Kept quiet for almost 3 months too...hmmmm.

He was notified of the "adverse analytical finding" on 20 September 2017.
the BBC reports

B sample testing can take a while, and for a non-specified substance like salbutamol with no provisional suspension, there should not be any publicity until the B sample is in.

I guess that's now why it's public:

"The analysis of the B sample has confirmed the results of the rider’s A sample and the proceedings are being conducted in line with the UCI Anti-Doping Rules."

The true victim in all of this is poor Cardoso who's still sitting there waiting for his B sample.

 

[CTQ]

https://www.teamsky.com/article/ts-statement

 

[deValtos]

Re:

https://www.teamsky.com/article/ts-statement

I liked the cyclingnews analysis of the statement:

"But what also stood out within the carefully worded statement was just how much of this was about Froome, and not the team.

Take the opening section, for example. Team Sky’s first three words – which were repeated in successive sentences – were “Chris Froome responds.” Not the team, but “Chris.”

Then analyse Dave Brailford’s insistence of "I have the utmost confidence that Chris followed the medical guidance." In fact, in the main body copy of the release, Team Sky mentions Froome five times. It mentions Team Sky by name just once, when they introduce an as yet unnamed doctor who has offered Froome medical advice during the Vuelta. The only person who emphasises "the team" is Froome himself."

Trying to save the ship!

 

[Yingge]

His Wikipedia Page has been updated (no, NOT by me) - added on to the Vuelta part.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/940892178829729792

The responses to his non-statement are pretty hilarious.

John Swanson

 

[WheelofGear]

In case he gets banned, how long do you think his ban will be? Only 6 months? 2 years? 4 years (death sentence)?!

 

[wheresmybrakes]

So Froome could be riding for another team next year if SKY live up to their zero tolerance stance. :lol: :lol:

 

[elfed68]

Re: Re:

https://www.teamsky.com/article/ts-statement

I liked the cyclingnews analysis of the statement:

"But what also stood out within the carefully worded statement was just how much of this was about Froome, and not the team.

Take the opening section, for example. Team Sky’s first three words – which were repeated in successive sentences – were “Chris Froome responds.” Not the team, but “Chris.”

Then analyse Dave Brailford’s insistence of "I have the utmost confidence that Chris followed the medical guidance." In fact, in the main body copy of the release, Team Sky mentions Froome five times. It mentions Team Sky by name just once, when they introduce an as yet unnamed doctor who has offered Froome medical advice during the Vuelta. The only person who emphasises "the team" is Froome himself."

Trying to save the ship!

Froome distanced himself from Team Sky and SDB during the jiffy bag incident, payback?

 

[Yingge]

Nibali:

"For sure this is a terrible news for the sport and for me."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-terrible-for-the-sport/

Nibali might feel a little better when his Palmares show that he has won the Vuelta twice.

 

[thehog]

Re:

If Sky is team Transparent, why didnt they leak this themselves.

You know since there is nothing to hide, they should have released it straight away 3 months ago to prove just how anti doping they really are.

Cookson losing the election at the same time as the A sample was a total bummer.

 

[thehog]

Do we get to call him the disgraced Chris Froome now?

 

[WheelofGear]

Re:

In case he gets banned, how long do you think his ban will be? Only 6 months? 2 years? 4 years (death sentence)?!

My guess would be 2 years. Then he can still make a comeback at the age of 35.

Making a comeback (as in winning races) at the age of 37 is more difficult. Not even Armstrong could do that.

 

[hrotha]

Precedent tells us that sanctions for salbutamol are hard to predict.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Just so people are aware of the rules on this:


"The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above."

So, does this not acknowledge the possibility that one can stay within the allowed doseage yet still be above the 1000 ng/ml limit?

Otherwise being above the 1000 ng/ml would be an automatic doping violation, right?

Yes, that's exactly what it is there for. The onus is on Froome and/or Sky to show that this is the case here.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Just so people are aware of the rules on this:


"The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves, through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above."

So, does this not acknowledge the possibility that one can stay within the allowed doseage yet still be above the 1000 ng/ml limit?

Otherwise being above the 1000 ng/ml would be an automatic doping violation, right?

He's had three months and his career on the line. So where is the pharmacokinetic study which shows this? This was an easy one to get out in front of if it was innocent.

John Swanson

"Froome has already sent the UCI his first submission of evidence but that was done within two weeks of the initial notification on September 20, the day of the World Championships time trial"

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Kept quiet for almost 3 months too...hmmmm.

He was notified of the "adverse analytical finding" on 20 September 2017.
the BBC reports

B sample testing can take a while, and for a non-specified substance like salbutamol with no provisional suspension, there should not be any publicity until the B sample is in.

I guess that's now why it's public:

"The analysis of the B sample has confirmed the results of the rider’s A sample and the proceedings are being conducted in line with the UCI Anti-Doping Rules."

The true victim in all of this is poor Cardoso who's still sitting there waiting for his B sample.

also quintana who was robbed of 2 tdfs by a doping cheat

 

[Forever The Best]

Finally. I hope he doesn't get away with it though. Still, huge news and puts an end to the 'never tested positive' claim.