Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[JosephK]

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-112-paul-kimmage-on-chris-froome

Dear Buckle, thank you for the outstanding link to Paul Kimmage's talk on Chris Froome. His comments highlight what most of the clinic regulars already know, but he brings it into the light so well, the elucidation of the red flags for Sky and Chris Froome that are there for all to see.

 

[Tonton]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

 

[Robert5091]

If it's a hot day on the Alpe d'Huez, then I'd say it's a very good chance that Froome will get some fluid in his direction.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

Umm Sky's approach has been...

Access all areas whether legal, grey area or illegal...

Abuse each to the greatest possible extent...

Given the framework of a corrupt UCI, toothless ADAs, complicit press, etc...

This is the true definition of marginal gains

 

[El Pistolero]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

You can't blame people taking justice into their own hands when the courts failed.

 

[sittingbison]

Re: Re:

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not really, sure it would keep the clinic happy but the Dawg and the team are doing everything within the rules

Lol

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

I'm just pissed off as I have asthma and thyroid problems yet I can't get my **** up the Tak Ma Doon.....if I get it sorted I could be a TDF contender

You will probably live longer than many Tour De France contenders so there is that. It's not worth exploring the frontiers of Salbutamol abuse..........

I'm from Scotland, average life span is 40 years old :lol:

If you’re lucky!

 

[the delgados]

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-112-paul-kimmage-on-chris-froome

Off topic, but I find it refreshing to listen to someone who seems drunk bantering with a guy who uses the words *** and *** *** without censor.
That's how people talk. It feels like sitting at a bar with someone who knows of what he speaks and just shooting the stool.
I like that interview.

 

[rick james]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

You can't blame people taking justice into their own hands when the courts failed.

So are you welcoming attacks on Chris Froome and team sky?

 

[movingtarget]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

You can't blame people taking justice into their own hands when the courts failed.

Harry Callahan would agree with you and a cast of many.

 

[thehog]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

You can't blame people taking justice into their own hands when the courts failed.

Harry Callahan would agree with you and a cast of many.

6 shots or only five?

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

Why would it be less likely? Contador failed for clen yet you have to be either extremely naive or some sort of moron to not think he was on a pretty strong programme.
Was indurian not on epo because he tested for salbutamol? Are barca not on the Fuentes programme because messi did hgh and guardiola nandrolone? Etc

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

Why would it be less likely? Contador failed for clen yet you have to be either extremely naive or some sort of moron to not think he was on a pretty strong programme.
Was indurian not on epo because he tested for salbutamol? Are barca not on the Fuentes programme because messi did hgh and guardiola nandrolone? Etc

 

[The Hegelian]

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-112-paul-kimmage-on-chris-froome

Bit of anger, bit of practical wisdom, bit of an Irish accent is exactly the right combo for dealing with this question.

Especially because Sky play this pseudo scientific-logical-linguistic game of chess aimed at generating intellectual confusion. Kimmage disrupts it beautifully and calls it for what it is. B/s.

 

[Alpe73]

Was up the Geant de Provence late summer this year. Magnifique! Certainly, Ventoux is appropriately named.
After Ventoux is ticked off the list, there are so many other GREAT places to ride in the area ... and I did.
Of course, the scenery, the food and especially, the hospitality, was outstanding!

When you say, “The French will not put up with this”, what do you mean? I’m CERTAIN that you would not want your comments to be misconstrued by some nut job who chanced to read them.

Again, I am CERTAIN that the French fans will let the proper governing bodies ajudicate this matter and behave in a civil manner ... as should any spectator at a sporting event.

Chris Froome deserves due process ... and if it is found that he has clearly broken a rule that governs his participation ... then he deserves an appropriate sanction ... including the consideration of aggravating or mitigating factors.

If he does start the Tour ... and is assaulted in any manner by a fan, I’m certain that fan’s actions will be met with the full force and measure of French law ... as would be a soccer hooligan, etc.

Notwithstanding ASO, France’s citizens and cycling fans can claim a nostalgic, sentimental association with an epic Sporting event such as Le Tour. ALL of us truly cherish that. BUT ... their jurisdictional power ends there.

Life is too short, mon ami. Keep it real. Don’t take these sports so seriously. A century from now, there’ll be no Tour, no Champion’s League, no Super Bowl. Yes, let’s deal with the cheats, but let’s not engage in the JdA treatment. Keep it real, bro.

i would never condone violence, never. But as I stated in previous posts, this story will be front and center of the media circus, the build up to Le Tour. Froome will be the villain. And we can agree that July "fans" are the ones to worry about...not guys like you or me. Boos all over, that's a given. And this is where we seem to disagree: I am very concerned that some (and it only takes one) "fans" will cross the line. Very, very concerned.

You can't blame people taking justice into their own hands when the courts failed.

Your’re an outlier, to be kind.

 

[Tonton]

True, and it illustrates my point

And to be honest, if I ever met LA, I would give him crap, hoping for a confrontation. Le Tour is a national monument. His '05 speech, my signature not so long ago, was an insult to the sport and to France. Froome and Sky are finding themselves in the same situation. Before the smoking gun there was a lot of doubt, now it's much more.

I see the point that was made: some may be tempted to administer justice. Dangerous. Unless they block the road on stage 1, refuse him participation. That, I can understand. But violence? No.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

Why would it be less likely? Contador failed for clen yet you have to be either extremely naive or some sort of moron to not think he was on a pretty strong programme.
Was indurian not on epo because he tested for salbutamol? Are barca not on the Fuentes programme because messi did hgh and guardiola nandrolone? Etc

Not saying hes not on some program but my point is at least it looks more like conventional doping and less like Froome and co riding motorbikes up the mountains

 

[Craigee]

Re: Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

every athlete is pushing the limit....its what they do

I would think that this case proves they (Sky) are dopers so would go as far as needed to cheat their way to their success. Not that they wouldn't be doing anything other than steroids.

These are just the things that have been leaked too. Lord knows what has been swept under the carpet.

 

[Craigee]

He's a doctor, if he's faked a patient diagnosis for asthma for performance enhancement reasons, instead of a riders health, that's the end of his research funding as he will be struck off by GMC I would imagine. He will make way more money from his research than signing off dodgy asthma certification. He's one of the world's leaders in sports science. I'm sure there's 1001 other doctors with less at stake to do that for Froome is all saying.

You make it seem so small a thing to do which of course is the purpose of this post for a Team Sky supporter sympathiser but there is a huge reward for many if signing off a dodgy asthma certificate leads to winning a grand tour.

Another nice attempt though. Keep trying Sam. It's entertaining.

 

[sittingbison]

True, and it illustrates my point

And to be honest, if I ever met LA, I would give him crap, hoping for a confrontation. Le Tour is a national monument. His '05 speech, my signature not so long ago, was an insult to the sport and to France. Froome and Sky are finding themselves in the same situation. Before the smoking gun there was a lot of doubt, now it's much more.

I see the point that was made: some may be tempted to administer justice. Dangerous. Unless they block the road on stage 1, refuse him participation. That, I can understand. But violence? No.

Lance despised France and French people.

Yup, THAT would be a hoot, hay everywhere like the farmers do to Paris occasionally. It would instantly be worldwide news, and probably the greatest shot in the arm for anti doping sentiment ever

 

[Alpe73]

True, and it illustrates my point

And to be honest, if I ever met LA, I would give him crap, hoping for a confrontation. Le Tour is a national monument. His '05 speech, my signature not so long ago, was an insult to the sport and to France. Froome and Sky are finding themselves in the same situation. Before the smoking gun there was a lot of doubt, now it's much more.

I see the point that was made: some may be tempted to administer justice. Dangerous. Unless they block the road on stage 1, refuse him participation. That, I can understand. But violence? No.

Awwww, Tonton. I thought you were tranquilo, man. What if you confronted him .... and he said, “Honestly, I’m really sorry.” What if you “resented” his apology? You wanted to “give him crap.” You could overheat in the hot Tour sun ... who knows. You might get arrested, your daughter might see it ... yada, yada, yada. Bad scene, bro. Lose-lose situation for you, dude. For you, your countrymen ... tranquilo c’est mieux. Teach ... your children well.

 

[Robert5091]

Aaaahh! Now I get the 'slithering reptile' http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825 insult ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/chris-froome-rider-on-the-storm-10415129.html

As a boy, Chris Froome had two unusual pets: a pair of pythons. They needed feeding, and their meals had to be alive. Mice at first, then rats. But as they grew they needed something more filling. So he raided the rabbit hutches in the kindergarten across the road.

“Young children would arrive at the class next day and their little baby bunny rabbits would be gone,” he wrote in last year’s autobiography, The Climb. The rabbits would squeal as the snakes tucked in, he recalled. “I felt like intervening and stopping it. But the pythons had to be fed and it was my responsibility.” From the outset Chris Froome did what had to be done.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

Why would it be less likely? Contador failed for clen yet you have to be either extremely naive or some sort of moron to not think he was on a pretty strong programme.
Was indurian not on epo because he tested for salbutamol? Are barca not on the Fuentes programme because messi did hgh and guardiola nandrolone? Etc

Not saying hes not on some program but my point is at least it looks more like conventional doping and less like Froome and co riding motorbikes up the mountains

I dont follow the logic though. Just because a rider used one performance enhancing method does not disqualify any other ones. I'm not saying I know Froome does or anything but the idea that the probability of him using other forms of cheating went down after he tests positive for salbutamol doesnt make sense to me. From what I've seen the people most strongly suspected of using motors, and it seems to be extremely likely that they have been used, are often people We also know were doping.

 

[glassmoon]

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/ep-112-paul-kimmage-on-chris-froome

Thx. Was cool interview. Nothing new, but gives the Sky's fanboys some of the context regarding "transformation, TUE bullsh*t, jiffy bag steroids and another TUE bullsh*t"...
What the Sky was/is doing for all those years is really really insulting the intelligence of the fans (well except of those who still believe in fairytales).

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Aaaahh! Now I get the 'slithering reptile' http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/42363825 insult ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/chris-froome-rider-on-the-storm-10415129.html

As a boy, Chris Froome had two unusual pets: a pair of pythons. They needed feeding, and their meals had to be alive. Mice at first, then rats. But as they grew they needed something more filling. So he raided the rabbit hutches in the kindergarten across the road.

“Young children would arrive at the class next day and their little baby bunny rabbits would be gone,” he wrote in last year’s autobiography, The Climb. The rabbits would squeal as the snakes tucked in, he recalled. “I felt like intervening and stopping it. But the pythons had to be fed and it was my responsibility.” From the outset Chris Froome did what had to be done.

It does somewhat annoy me that people laugh and mock this story even celebrate Froome. It was awful behaviour even by child standards and the pride with which an adult Froome recounts killing animals for fun at such a young age is disturbing.

What was worse about the pythons in my opinion is Froome also used to feed them live prey - mice and such.

I'm with animal rights activists that this is a practise that should be forbidden.

He boasts in his book that he remembers the shrieks of the dying animals. Killing animals to eat them is one thing but to torture animals as a teenager and not feeling anything, then even boasting about it years later suggest he might be as depraved as some of his fans.