Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[movingtarget]

@rick james...come on...you keep calling posts to be off-topic (it belongs to the LA thread) when it's the same thing, basically: the super team with a nobody winning multiple Tours. Blaming the skeptics, who don't dream big.

Some here argue that the masses will not completely understand, or don't care, but I garantee you that The French (oooooh they are bad, Lappartien spiked the drink, it's a conspiracy) will not put up with this. They knew. Like anybody with an IQ larger than their shoe size. The LA/USPS dish served again.

And some poor blokes like my buddy portugal11 were blaming The French for treating Froome so badly. Like Contador. Well, they smelled the rat. the same dish. The BS. We're talking about a national treasure here: Le Tour.

When I saw Froome run up the Ventoux, I cheered for him. The awkward spare bike episode was hilarious, and I caught my self cheering for him. Portal whined, results were offset. The 3K rule on a mountain stqage...

If there was any doubt about Sky doing ANYTHING to win, including swaying the judges, That was it.

Christ Froome was my pick in the doping draft, so I applause his successes . I had Valverde and Vino too. Good company.

I wonder if the spare bike had a puffer taped to the frame ? Maybe the moto rider was taking his Ventolin when Richie ran into the back of him ?

 

[The Hitch]

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As far as can see the dr is an independent academic working at a well known uk university, so I doubt he is the back pocket of Sky unless you think he'd risk his reputation and potentially career for Froome/Sky ?

Lance had never told to his doctors and surgeons that he used drugs, have we been told by them. Do you believe them too?

Try keep the lance talk for the lance threads, Froome has had an abnormal reading for asthma treatment, a million miles away from what lance was doing

Q: What was Lance doing? A: Passing doping controls.

Again thats for the Lance threads

From what I can see your argument goes something like this:
You -Froome is clean because he passes doping tests
Others- but people have past doping tests in the past when they were doping
You - but they were not called Chris Froome. Therefore it is irrelevant

Errm

 

[The Hitch]

Its a real shame Froome and his fans didn't exist through the 50% rule era.

Imagine if Froome tripped that rule, by going twice over (so a 100% hematocrit to follow the comparison)
The comical defenses of - he hasnt tested positive for a banned drug. He did nothing wrong. Maybe the ultimate hypocrite would reappear again with "machine callebration error"

 

[spalco]

So, I was on vacation a couple weeks and pretty much only read the headlines.

Now that I've read a bit more about Froome's situation I have to conclude he's completely ****ed.

Too bad.

 

[samhocking]

One of the guys in my old club is doing PhD research at Kent Uni and Richardson is his tutor. I've been to one of Richardson's talks. The guy really knows his stuff. They're working on areas of sports science, specifically cycling that simply wouldn't make sense for him to jeopardise themselves by fabricating a Froome asthma diagnosis. From the Richardson talk I went to, him and his research team will make more money from that, then they ever could even if Sky gave them their whole annual budget.

 

[rick james]

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So, I was on vacation a couple weeks and pretty much only read the headlines.

Now that I've read a bit more about Froome's situation I have to conclude he's completely ****ed.

Too bad.

unless they can explain why he spiked that day

 

[rick james]

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Its a real shame Froome and his fans didn't exist through the 50% rule era.

Imagine if Froome tripped that rule, by going twice over (so a 100% hematocrit to follow the comparison)
The comical defenses of - he hasnt tested positive for a banned drug. He did nothing wrong. Maybe the ultimate hypocrite would reappear again with "machine callebration error"

But froome hasn’t failed a drug test, he’s had an abnormal reading.. it’s up to sky/froome to explain themselves now

 

[Blanco]

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So, I was on vacation a couple weeks and pretty much only read the headlines.

Now that I've read a bit more about Froome's situation I have to conclude he's completely ****ed.

Too bad.

Not at all

 

[MartinGT]

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So, I was on vacation a couple weeks and pretty much only read the headlines.

Now that I've read a bit more about Froome's situation I have to conclude he's completely ****ed.

Too bad.

unless they can explain why he spiked that day

If they could they would have by now and he wouldnt be employing a lawyer.

 

[poupou]

One of the guys in my old club is doing PhD research at Kent Uni and Richardson is his tutor. I've been to one of Richardson's talks. The guy really knows his stuff. They're working on areas of sports science, specifically cycling that simply wouldn't make sense for him to jeopardise themselves by fabricating a Froome asthma diagnosis. From the Richardson talk I went to, him and his research team will make more money from that, then they ever could even if Sky gave them their whole annual budget.

What he would jeopardise? He can easily said he has done a mistake. Who has never done a mistake?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Its a real shame Froome and his fans didn't exist through the 50% rule era.

Imagine if Froome tripped that rule, by going twice over (so a 100% hematocrit to follow the comparison)
The comical defenses of - he hasnt tested positive for a banned drug. He did nothing wrong. Maybe the ultimate hypocrite would reappear again with "machine callebration error"

But froome hasn’t failed a drug test, he’s had an abnormal reading.. it’s up to sky/froome to explain themselves now

 

[pantanivdb]

I’ve seen the run up the ventoux mentionned above, did we ever know what happened to his broken bike when he started running and abandonned it? If he had a motor (which I’m quite convinced), it seems very dangerous to leave his bike which could be picked up by the fans laying around and expose his cheating. Anyway hopefully the French judges will get to him

 

[PremierAndrew]

Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

 

[rick james]

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Its a real shame Froome and his fans didn't exist through the 50% rule era.

Imagine if Froome tripped that rule, by going twice over (so a 100% hematocrit to follow the comparison)
The comical defenses of - he hasnt tested positive for a banned drug. He did nothing wrong. Maybe the ultimate hypocrite would reappear again with "machine callebration error"

But froome hasn’t failed a drug test, he’s had an abnormal reading.. it’s up to sky/froome to explain themselves now

not really, sure it would keep the clinic happy but the Dawg and the team are doing everything within the rules

 

[rick james]

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Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but now seems less likely at least)

every athlete is pushing the limit....its what they do

 

[rick james]

I'm just pissed off as I have asthma and thyroid problems yet I can't get my arse up the Tak Ma Doon.....if I get it sorted I could be a TDF contender

 

[topcat]

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Seriouslye="PremierAndrew"]Tbf most people thought he was doping, myself included. If anything, this whole salbutamol case has made me happy that it seems Froome and Sky just push the limits with biological doping, and less likely that they've been using motors (which is still possible but
now seems less likely at least)[/quote]
seriously. Froome gets caught with a massive dose of salbutamol. We no longer just suspect he's doping. And we know deep down he's taking other drugs and it will all come out eventually. It's over for Froome and it sure was good while it lasted
Serio

 

[samhocking]

He's a doctor, if he's faked a patient diagnosis for asthma for performance enhancement reasons, instead of a riders health, that's the end of his research funding as he will be struck off by GMC I would imagine. He will make way more money from his research than signing off dodgy asthma certification. He's one of the world's leaders in sports science. I'm sure there's 1001 other doctors with less at stake to do that for Froome is all saying.

 

[Netserk]

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There has been some discussion about the parallels with the Contador case. There are some similarities, and there are also a lot of key differences. But here's a similarity that no one I'm aware of has mentioned, and which could be critical to the final judgment.

When Contador's positive was made public, he could have claimed it resulted from a contaminated supplement. As it happened, the final decision concluded it was. But Contador not only did not take that approach, he specifically denied that he had consumed any supplements at that time. He didn't say this because it was the truth--a rider in that position will say most anything that helps his case--but because he knew he would still likely receive a suspension if it was a contaminated supplement. By taking this off the table, he was gambling that he could get off completely, and he lost this gamble. While the final decision was indeed that it was a contaminated supplement, the CAS panel wasn't particularly confident of this, and since Contador hadn't given them any help in this sense, they gave him two years. Had he seized on the supplement explanation from the outset, admitting he had made a mistake, he might very well have gotten just one year. In that case, he still would have forfeited the 2010 Tour, and probably the 2011 Giro, but he could at least have raced the 2012 Tour, and would have been much better prepared for it than he was the the Vuelta that he ended up racing.

Not really. I doubt he would have been cleared by the Spanish if he had pleaded contaminated supplements, and in that case he wouldn't have ridden the 2011 Giro to begin with. De facto, his final ban was 6 months away from racing.

 

[thehog]

I would say Froome is finished as well. He doesn’t deal with being found out as well as Lance did. It’s just a shame this didn’t come mid-season, so he could be interviewed endlessly about it.

 

[Benotti69]

He's a doctor, if he's faked a patient diagnosis for asthma for performance enhancement reasons, instead of a riders health, that's the end of his research funding as he will be struck off by GMC I would imagine. He will make way more money from his research than signing off dodgy asthma certification. He's one of the world's leaders in sports science. I'm sure there's 1001 other doctors with less at stake to do that for Froome is all saying.

Dr Bonar was not struck off.

GMC not as straight as it would be hoped.

 

[Benotti69]

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its f*cking asthma treatment....not EPO....asthma treatment that transforms you in 2 weeks? sign me up, I'll have some of that

One treatment of the cocktail, plus a motor.

I dont doubt that a couple of puffs of Ventolin will not transform you in 2 weeks, hence the allegation Froome is on a lot more that Salbutamol.

He is a pro cyclist and 5 time GT winner. It aint done on Bread, Water and a puff or 2.........

 

[movingtarget]

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I'm just pissed off as I have asthma and thyroid problems yet I can't get my **** up the Tak Ma Doon.....if I get it sorted I could be a TDF contender

You will probably live longer than many Tour De France contenders so there is that. It's not worth exploring the frontiers of Salbutamol abuse..........

 

[rick james]

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I'm just pissed off as I have asthma and thyroid problems yet I can't get my **** up the Tak Ma Doon.....if I get it sorted I could be a TDF contender

You will probably live longer than many Tour De France contenders so there is that. It's not worth exploring the frontiers of Salbutamol abuse..........

I'm from Scotland, average life span is 40 years old :lol:

 

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