Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[rick james]

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Froome, supposedly, crashed out of the Dauphine today during a recon of the TT course. There have been a lot of these types of things happening this year....

Clearly covering a positive ban

 

[rick james]

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FWIW Vayer posted Froome's weight on twitter along with other stuff from his training logs a few months ago :

Feb 2011 73kg
Apr 2011 71kg
Aug 2011 from 71 to 69 during Vuelta
Apr 2012 71kg
May 2012 69kg
Jul 2012 67kg
Jan 2013 70kg
Jul 2013 67.5
Sep 2013 71kg
Jul 2014 67.5

Do you know what Vayer's source is for this info? I tend to be very, very skeptical of self-reported weights in cycling. Is this from some vetted third--party source?

you're onto something here, Vayer is for sure on the Froome/Ineos payroll...

I’m simply asking where he got the numbers. If they came from the team they’re next to useless. I ascribe no motive to him using them, they may be the only data he can get.

The only leaked numbers we’d get would be from the team/Froome, all others are guess work

 

[red_flanders]

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FWIW Vayer posted Froome's weight on twitter along with other stuff from his training logs a few months ago :

Feb 2011 73kg
Apr 2011 71kg
Aug 2011 from 71 to 69 during Vuelta
Apr 2012 71kg
May 2012 69kg
Jul 2012 67kg
Jan 2013 70kg
Jul 2013 67.5
Sep 2013 71kg
Jul 2014 67.5

Do you know what Vayer's source is for this info? I tend to be very, very skeptical of self-reported weights in cycling. Is this from some vetted third--party source?

you're onto something here, Vayer is for sure on the Froome/Ineos payroll...

I’m simply asking where he got the numbers. If they came from the team they’re next to useless. I ascribe no motive to him using them, they may be the only data he can get.

The only leaked numbers we’d get would be from the team/Froome, all others are guess work

Then they’re all guesswork. Fine for Vayer to make estimates, but not accurate enough for any discussion of whether or not a rider (any rider) is doping.

 

[hrotha]

To be honest, Vayer is a bit of a clown.

 

[masking_agent]

a part of me does find it hard to believe how "convenient" the timing is from all of this. We'll never know the actual truth as that is behind closed doors. It quite possibly can be that he and his doctors concluded that he would be positive ?

 

[red_flanders]

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Froome, supposedly, crashed out of the Dauphine today during a recon of the TT course. There have been a lot of these types of things happening this year....

He's out of the Dauphine and the Tour, possibly with a fractured femur. Not sure what is meant by "supposedly" and "...a lot of these types of things..." but seems...unlikely...that this is faked, if that's the implication. That said, I'd certainly grant that Brailsford's usual nonsensical equivocations and lack of simple information tend to add mystery where none likely exists.

 

[macbindle]

Suggestions that it is faked serve only to illustrate that tin-foil hats are in the thread. Of course it's not faked. Hes broken his leg and was treated on the road for a considerable amount of time before being taken away. This is serious. It's very possibly the end of his career as a race winner. Compound breaks like these can even kill people.

 

[rick james]

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Suggestions that it is faked serve only to illustrate that tin-foil hats are in the thread. Of course it's not faked. Hes broken his leg and was treated on the road for a considerable amount of time before being taken away. This is serious. It's very possibly the end of his career as a race winner. Injuries like these can even kill people.

We had crackpots claim Henao faked his crash a few years ago, even though we saw pictures of his bike in pieces and tinkov witnessing it himself

 

[spalco]

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Suggestions that it is faked serve only to illustrate that tin-foil hats are in the thread. Of course it's not faked. Hes broken his leg and was treated on the road for a considerable amount of time before being taken away. This is serious. It's very possibly the end of his career as a race winner. Compound breaks like these can even kill people.

Certainly, especially if he really hit a wall. He may well have gotten lucky here, although it sounds bad to say this.

The hair on the back of my neck still stand up every time I think about Wouter Weylandt's crash.

 

[brownbobby]

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a part of me does find it hard to believe how "convenient" the timing is from all of this. We'll never know the actual truth as that is behind closed doors. It quite possibly can be that he and his doctors concluded that he would be positive ?

This is quite possibly the most ludicrous suggestion I've ever seen on this forum....

 

[macbindle]

And let's face it, it's got some stiff competition :lol:

 

[hrotha]

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a part of me does find it hard to believe how "convenient" the timing is from all of this. We'll never know the actual truth as that is behind closed doors. It quite possibly can be that he and his doctors concluded that he would be positive ?

This is quite possibly the most ludicrous suggestion I've ever seen on this forum....

For your own good, don't dig up the thread on Xavi Tondo.

 

[King Boonen]

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Suggestions that it is faked serve only to illustrate that tin-foil hats are in the thread. Of course it's not faked. Hes broken his leg and was treated on the road for a considerable amount of time before being taken away. This is serious. It's very possibly the end of his career as a race winner. Compound breaks like these can even kill people.

Certainly, especially if he really hit a wall. He may well have gotten lucky here, although it sounds bad to say this.

The hair on the back of my neck still stand up every time I think about Wouter Weylandt's crash.

That's not the issue macbindle is alluding too. The femoral arteries run down the inside of your legs. A break in the femur can damage or sever this and a compound break can increase the likelihood of it happening. You can bleed out in minutes if this happens.

 

[F_Cance]

i don't think that they faked this injury. The Bernal thing is a completely other story though.

 

[rick james]

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i don't think that they faked this injury. The Bernal thing is a completely other story though.

he posted pictures of his scars on his Instagram story, that story was not fake

 

[The Meenister]

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Suggestions that it is faked serve only to illustrate that tin-foil hats are in the thread. Of course it's not faked. Hes broken his leg and was treated on the road for a considerable amount of time before being taken away. This is serious. It's very possibly the end of his career as a race winner. Compound breaks like these can even kill people.

Certainly, especially if he really hit a wall. He may well have gotten lucky here, although it sounds bad to say this.

The hair on the back of my neck still stand up every time I think about Wouter Weylandt's crash.

That's not the issue macbindle is alluding too. The femoral arteries run down the inside of your legs. A break in the femur can damage or sever this and a compound break can increase the likelihood of it happening. You can bleed out in minutes if this happens.

Indeed. Google "Cedric Gracia crash" where a MTB crash results in a pelvis break and severed femoral artery - not for the squeamish*.

*including me

 

[London Hibs]

I mostly lurk in 'The Clinic' but there has been a couple of extremely poor posts on this thread today.

GET A FLICKING GRIP. We're discussing human athletes, here...from a sport we (seemingly) all love.

Zoomers on all forums, I suppose.

 

[spalco]

I mostly lurk in 'The Clinic' but there has been a couple of extremely poor posts on this thread today.

GET A FLICKING GRIP. We're discussing human athletes, here...from a sport we (seemingly) all love.

Zoomers on all forums, I suppose.

Not as bad as some twitter posts I've come across celebrating Froome's injury...

The Clinic's actually pretty good at separating the sporting "villain" from the human behind the mask imo.

 

[wirral]

The latest is that Froome was treated roadside "for several hours" before being airlifted to a hospital. I am surprised that they were able to keep photographers away for several hours and that they were able to keep the news secret too. There was not a whisper until the official announcements from the team and his wife.

I don't know what to make of it all.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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I mostly lurk in 'The Clinic' but there has been a couple of extremely poor posts on this thread today.

GET A FLICKING GRIP. We're discussing human athletes, here...from a sport we (seemingly) all love.

Zoomers on all forums, I suppose.

Not as bad as some twitter posts I've come across celebrating Froome's injury...

The Clinic's actually pretty good at separating the sporting "villain" from the human behind the mask imo.

Indeed there is a serious rule here that you can get banned for celebrating falls and injuries.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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The latest is that Froome was treated roadside "for several hours" before being airlifted to a hospital. I am surprised that they were able to keep photographers away for several hours and that they were able to keep the news secret too. There was not a whisper until the official announcements from the team and his wife.

I don't know what to make of it all.

I think that sounds like an exaggeration, didn't he crash on course and not too far before the start of the TT?

 

[F_Cance]

It is true that it took some hours. There are some pictures around. You can see Bernard and his team car passing the parked ambulance during the TT.

 

[hrotha]

Why did it take hours, though? Were his injuries immediately life-threatening?

 

[rick james]

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Why did it take hours, though? Were his injuries immediately life-threatening?

Clearly they were life threatening


Why the hell does it matter how long the spent on him at the side of the road??

What is wrong with you guys?? always second guessing things hoping for a different answer

 

[hrotha]

What the hell are you on about? *** you for the implication.