Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[PremierAndrew]

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6%: 5.78W/kg
5%: 5.85W/kg
4%: 5.9W/kg
3%: 5.96W/kg
0%: 6.15W/kg

If Kerrison's figure is accurate, Froome's ride could have been clean. However, the temperature was ridiculous on Tuesday, so to still put down those Watts is pretty impressive. Then again anything below 6W/kg on a day like that is probably fine. Anything above is verging on the ridiculous

This is what someone posted on twitter:

The bolded is what Sky calculated. Power meter manufacturer says margin of error for oval chainrings = 4-5%.

Sky use 67.5 kg. In 2013 TDF, Froome was 66kg at the start. Mrs Froome stated in the past Froome's TDF weight = 64-65kg IIRC.

So together with what we know about what some of the other riders did, we can comfortably say that he did more than 6 W/kg.

He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

 

[Pulp]

So SKY publish data, and the reaction on here? "They're lying". how predictable ...

So Sky publish data that don't in fact make any sense.
Fan reaction? Unblinking swallowing without a skerrick of critical thought.

Critical thinkers point out the preposterous nature of the data:
eg: Froome 5.79 W/kg finishes ~1:30 ahead of Gesink @ 5.93W/kg (ie removing weight as a variable)

Fan reaction: man them critical thinkers are haters.

So, so sad.

It is the 6% correction factor that I am trying to digest!!!

Let's face it, these numbers are purely for PR, so it would defeat the purpose of releasing the data if suggests that Froome's performances were suspicious. Obviously Gesink's data was before adjustment, and that would make sense, given that Froome's unadjusted data was 6.15W/kg, which is pretty suspicious.

I don't know enough to comment on whether 6% is reasonable, but I'd be willing to give Froome the benefit of doubt, and that's what it all comes down to.

I guess I`m in the same camp. Whatever it was, it was not numbers like Lance, Pantani or Riis,

 

[gazr99]

Alberto says he has no issue with releasing data, please Alberto give us your stage 10 numbers

Or stage 16 from the Giro, they would be nice to look at

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

Didn't you read the quotes?

 

[Jagartrott]

A professor of sports physiology of Ghent University (Wim Derave) said the 7.04 W/kg was clearly overestimated, and the 5.78 of Sky clearly underestimated. He also said he would like to know if British cycling is using ketones (and suspects they have been at least researching them since the 2012 Olympics).

 

[Netserk]

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A professor of sports physiology of Ghent University (Wim Derave) said the 7.04 W/kg was clearly overestimated, and the 5.78 of Sky clearly underestimated. He also said he would like to know if British cycling is using ketones (and suspects they have been at least researching them since the 2012 Olympics).

The 7 wasn't about the whole climb, just a bit of it. It's clear that Sky has won the spin-battle where they make it out like the others are totally unreasonable.

 

[Lyon]

There is an 80 percent chance these are the real numbers, but there is only a 30 percent chance of that.

 

[Pulp]

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6%: 5.78W/kg
5%: 5.85W/kg
4%: 5.9W/kg
3%: 5.96W/kg
0%: 6.15W/kg

If Kerrison's figure is accurate, Froome's ride could have been clean. However, the temperature was ridiculous on Tuesday, so to still put down those Watts is pretty impressive. Then again anything below 6W/kg on a day like that is probably fine. Anything above is verging on the ridiculous

This is what someone posted on twitter:

The bolded is what Sky calculated. Power meter manufacturer says margin of error for oval chainrings = 4-5%.

Sky use 67.5 kg. In 2013 TDF, Froome was 66kg at the start. Mrs Froome stated in the past Froome's TDF weight = 64-65kg IIRC.

So together with what we know about what some of the other riders did, we can comfortably say that he did more than 6 W/kg.

He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

2 differnet sections from Kimmage interview:

CF: I’ve done one VO2 test I think in 2007 with the UCI school (in Aigle). The results were online - I think my VO2 was between 80 and 85, and that would have been at about 70 kilos. VO2 is weight specific, so take away 4 kilos and that could possibly raise it I guess, I don’t know.

CF: I have always been aware of the weight issue, but I had always taken it for granted that when I pushed my weight I could get it to about 69 (kg) and that was a good place to be. I don’t think I necessarily thought that I could go much lower than that, and apparently I have. I’ve gone a good three kilos lower which is huge.

From both one could deduce that he weighs 66 Kg max. Given that you wouldn`t expect him to gain weight during a tour, I think it`s safe to say he weighed 66 max.. (And if he lost a kg, 65)

 

[Pulp]

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A professor of sports physiology of Ghent University (Wim Derave) said the 7.04 W/kg was clearly overestimated, and the 5.78 of Sky clearly underestimated. He also said he would like to know if British cycling is using ketones (and suspects they have been at least researching them since the 2012 Olympics).

The 7 wasn't about the whole climb, just a bit of it. It's clear that Sky has won the spin-battle where they make it out like the others are totally unreasonable.

They haven`t won a spin battle in here at least.. ^^

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

Didn't you read the quotes?

Some stuff about his weight:

Russell De Jager ‏@RusselldeJager 22h22 hours ago
@SSbike He stated 2 years ago on South African tv that he weighs 64kg during the Tour

Shane Stokes ‏@SSbike Jul 20
Froome says his weight varies each day depending on fuelling, but is between 67 and 68 kilos

Race Radio on another forum:

Froome told the Cycling Podcast he was around 67kg but above previous Tours. In previous Tours he had said he was at 66kg . 66.5kg sounds about right. Hard to image him gaining 1kg 10 days into the race.

No clear number but 65kg isn't out of question.

Oh, and by the way:

Yikes! After "Contador's head", is it now time to start a "Froome's arms" thread?

 

[Pulp]

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He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

Didn't you read the quotes?

Some stuff about his weight:

Russell De Jager ‏@RusselldeJager 22h22 hours ago
@SSbike He stated 2 years ago on South African tv that he weighs 64kg during the Tour

Shane Stokes ‏@SSbike Jul 20
Froome says his weight varies each day depending on fuelling, but is between 67 and 68 kilos

Race Radio on another forum:

Froome told the Cycling Podcast he was around 67kg but above previous Tours. In previous Tours he had said he was at 66kg . 66.5kg sounds about right. Hard to image him gaining 1kg 10 days into the race.

No clear number but 65kg isn't out of question.

Oh, and by the way:

Yikes! After "Contador's head", is it now time to start a "Froome's arms" thread?

Another puzzling think about that data from Sky. It says he weighs 67,5... There are quite strong indications that he doesn`t way anything above 66.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Oh, and by the way:

Yikes! After "Contador's head", is it now time to start a "Froome's arms" thread?

Think it's fair to say that any weight Froome does have is probably useful for getting power down on the road, which also makes 6.1 slightly more feasible for Froome than, for instance, Gesink

 

[PremierAndrew]

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He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

Didn't you read the quotes?

I meant where was his wife quoted as saying 64-65

 

[Pulp]

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Oh, and by the way:

Yikes! After "Contador's head", is it now time to start a "Froome's arms" thread?

Think it's fair to say that any weight Froome does have is probably useful for getting power down on the road, which also makes 6.1 slightly more feasible for Froome than, for instance, Gesink

y.

 

[Tonton]

http://www.lemonde.fr/tour-de-france/article/2015/07/20/chris-prouve-nous-qu-on-peut-aussi-croire-en-toi_4690730_1616918.html

Vayer in Le Monde (not Greg, the newspaper )

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Some stuff about his weight:

Russell De Jager ‏@RusselldeJager 22h22 hours ago
@SSbike He stated 2 years ago on South African tv that he weighs 64kg during the Tour

Shane Stokes ‏@SSbike Jul 20
Froome says his weight varies each day depending on fuelling, but is between 67 and 68 kilos

Race Radio on another forum:

Froome told the Cycling Podcast he was around 67kg but above previous Tours. In previous Tours he had said he was at 66kg . 66.5kg sounds about right. Hard to image him gaining 1kg 10 days into the race.

No clear number but 65kg isn't out of question.

I do find it hard to believe that in a tour with such limited TTing, Froome would be heavier this year than in 2013. 65-66 is definitely possible

 

[SeriousSam]

Sky obviously told a lie about his weight, and used the maximum error ever measured for dem oval chain rings to get the Dawg's w/kg down to respectable, human levels.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He's 69kg usually according to a lot of sources on the web (probably all of them using the one on wikipedia ), and I doubt he's more than 2-3 kg lower than that when he's in shape for the TdF. Where did you get 64-65 from?

Didn't you read the quotes?

I meant where was his wife quoted as saying 64-65

I read it somewhere, don't remember where. Might have been on here or on twitter. I'm blocked but I assume it was one of her tweet-delete actions. She often tweets stuff then seems to realize that wasn't smart and then deletes it.

 

[Campervan man]

Is it really that difficult to get an exact weight of riders on the Tour, Giro etc? Have sanctioned scales near the entry point and 4 teams a stage weighed that's 36 riders there or thereabouts and each rider weighed in 20 seconds (I'm being hugely generous here) so that's 12 minutes. Is it that difficult to do? It'd help the Uci wada etc ascertain each riders weight coupled with passport to generate a better understanding. In fact why not Vo2 them as standard publish everything just make things as transparent as possible. If there's an elephant in the room as always it helps unmask the huge animal. Brailsford and Kerrison plucking numbers out of a hat is no better than the FA cup 3rd round draw, and media laps that crap right up.

 

[Pulp]

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I read it somewhere, don't remember where. Might have been on here or on twitter. I'm blocked but I assume it was one of her tweet-delete actions. She often tweets stuff then seems to realize that wasn't smart and then deletes it.

How does one get blocked from twitter? (yeah, I`m sure it`s possible, but what did you do?)`

 

[Campervan man]

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I read it somewhere, don't remember where. Might have been on here or on twitter. I'm blocked but I assume it was one of her tweet-delete actions. She often tweets stuff then seems to realize that wasn't smart and then deletes it.

How does one get blocked from twitter? (yeah, I`m sure it`s possible, but what did you do?)`

Mention anything regarding his poorer seasons ought to do it.

 

[Bronstein]

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Sky obviously told a lie about his weight, and used the maximum error ever measured for dem oval chain rings to get the Dawg's w/kg down to respectable, human levels.

In a nutshell.

 

[Saint Unix]

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I read it somewhere, don't remember where. Might have been on here or on twitter. I'm blocked but I assume it was one of her tweet-delete actions. She often tweets stuff then seems to realize that wasn't smart and then deletes it.

How does one get blocked from twitter? (yeah, I`m sure it`s possible, but what did you do?)`

If you want to get blocked by anyone associated with Sky, retweeting @Digger_Forum is enough.

 

[gazr99]

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Is it really that difficult to get an exact weight of riders on the Tour, Giro etc? Have sanctioned scales near the entry point and 4 teams a stage weighed that's 36 riders there or thereabouts and each rider weighed in 20 seconds (I'm being hugely generous here) so that's 12 minutes. Is it that difficult to do? It'd help the Uci wada etc ascertain each riders weight coupled with passport to generate a better understanding. In fact why not Vo2 them as standard publish everything just make things as transparent as possible. If there's an elephant in the room as always it helps unmask the huge animal. Brailsford and Kerrison plucking numbers out of a hat is no better than the FA cup 3rd round draw, and media laps that crap right up.

In theory thats a good idea and would be great however how much weight does a rider lose during a stage? Also I think riders/teams see weight as an important piece of data, so don't want their opposition knowing.

Sky have pretty obviously chosen 67.5 because Froome said he weighs between 67 & 68 depending on the amount he eats during a stage

 

[Nick C.]

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Please forgive the spud, he has just been mashed by sky's numbers for Froome.

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy 5m5 minutes

We got plenty real riders SRM files from riders in La planche des belles filles. 5.78 w/kg for Froome: Big Laugh !

These Osymettric rings are so good, yet so few riders use them........Wiggins stopped using them they were too good.Didn't need the extra Osymetricness for his hour record

I thought the osymetric chainrings were blamed for the Angrilu in 2011. Something about they weren't effective on very steep climb. Then you read elsewhere about his 53/38x28/11 gearing to get his super high cadence. It all seems so contradictory.