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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Particularly with the low testing rates of the Monaco Anti-Doping Fed. 2014, they performed something like 66 tests in total, of which only 29 were OOC. No bloods at all. There are obviously quite a number of athletes that reside in Monaco across many sports, so if this doesn't tell you something I don't know what does. Why on earth wouldn't you dope???

Source: https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada_2014_anti-doping-testing-figures_full-report_en.pdf Page 12
Of course. A small nation like Monaco won't want to scare the money away :rolleyes:
In my mind, these types of things really put 'whereabouts issues' into a true context. What would be the chances that one athlete would get tested in any given year out of the many competitive athletes that reside in Monaco? Pretty bloody slim. Then what are the chances that they aren't home/don't hear the doorbell/insert bullsh1t excuse here on the ONE occasion that they are OOC'd...?

You're dealing with exceptionally low percentages... As I keep saying, I don't believe in miracles.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !
 
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keeponrollin said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !
I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.
 
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red_flanders said:
keeponrollin said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !
I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.
He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?
 
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heart_attack_man said:
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He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?
Now there is the right question.

And for the answer we have to go back to Ryder.

Doping made him slower, remember?

Ergo, that is how Froome wins against all of the dopers. Dope makes them slower. Stupid dopers.

Dave.
 
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heart_attack_man said:
red_flanders said:
keeponrollin said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !
I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.
He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?
err... no.
from 2011 his stage wins/podiums as follows (from a quick look on wiki);
2011: 1 stage win
2012: 1 stage win
2013: 8 stage wins, 1 2nd (TTT worlds)
2014: 4 stage wins
2015: 4 stage wins, 3rd TTT (Romandie)

Total; 20 tests from winning or podiuming stages...

I don't know if overall leaders are tested on days they don't podium, but won't be many more tests from this if they do.
 
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Archibald said:
heart_attack_man said:
red_flanders said:
keeponrollin said:
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Hundreds of drug tests? Who did again the math on the 500 tests for Armstrong back then? Wouldnt be too hard to expose this bending of the truth as well wouldnt it?
Well him saying he's been tested hundreds of times, makes the fact he missed a couple seem reasonable ... but then again, we know that others have been tested just as often, & never missed any !
I think the point was that last time someone blustered about the hundreds of tests and other such nonsense, we found out it was a complete lie, and that riders don't get tested nearly often enough to add up to the "hundreds" which they claim.
He may have been tested hundreds of times based on how many times he's won or podiumed throughout certain seasons... The better question is how did he win or podium against all of the dopers?
err... no.
from 2011 his stage wins/podiums as follows (from a quick look on wiki);
2011: 1 stage win
2012: 1 stage win
2013: 8 stage wins, 1 2nd (TTT worlds)
2014: 4 stage wins
2015: 4 stage wins, 3rd TTT (Romandie)

Total; 20 tests from winning or podiuming stages...

I don't know if overall leaders are tested on days they don't podium, but won't be many more tests from this if they do.
Agreed - stand corrected. I was thinking that overall leaders would be tested on days they don't podium, but you are likely correct to point that out - knowing that testing is pure theatre, it's exceptionally likely that they aren't.
 
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heart_attack_man said:
Agreed - stand corrected. I was thinking that overall leaders would be tested on days they don't podium, but you are likely correct to point that out - knowing that testing is pure theatre, it's exceptionally likely that they aren't.
I recall someone doing the math on LA and worked out at around 125 tests in total or similar...
 
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Beech Mtn said:
Obviously the most important part is "Excellent team-mates." AKA No shittin' in the campah. AKA LRP.

Remember when Alberto had LRP as his "team-mate?" Made all the difference in the world. Why do you think Teeeeeeeeeejay stole LRP away from Da Dawg?
well the jokes on LRP then. LRP thinks he is going to BMC to be leader in July. Imagine Dave Towle announcing "LLLLRRRRPPPPP BBBBBBMMMMMMCCCCC" at a post tour crit in Boxmeer.

jokes gonna be a rude awakening for LRP when he works for TJ at BMC.

Got an initial acronym Och got a spot for you
 
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Catwhoorg said:
Lance wasn't even the most tested American cyclist named Armstrong...


Froome I am wlilling to bet is the most tested Dawg with a Britsih license.
Vandenbroecke's dog?
 
Jul 17, 2015
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The Hitch said:
Good to see that froome is clean. Always does bad at this the most doped gt(according to walsh). Coincidence? I think not.

Another top 5 placing for him, which is the norm for him in the Vuelta maybe? Same experience for him as for Contador in this years TdF perhaps? Two wins in 2-3 months is asking too much, maybe?

Beyond needing the drugs to stand any chance of getting into the top 5 (or maybe more) I doubt there is anything more going on,
 
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pastronef said:
so why letting Roche and Nieve gain time on the clean Froome? Sky forgot the keep them with Froome?
by this reasoning they will look doped :p
Caught a bit of today's stage and it looked as if Froome was riding for Roche
 
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TheSpud said:
Benotti69 said:
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Benotti69 said:
So Froome is lying when says he doesn't know his vo2max because it was never tested.

Froome did a pulmonary function test in Monaco with Dr Stephan Bermon (Vino's former doctor).

Brailsford would obviously know this too, so he is lying when he says Froome was never tested.
Not sure how thorough the PF test would be compared with a VO2max - I googled it and it can range from something as basic as a 6 minute walk (must be dead easy to get a prescription then)! If its for an Asthma assessment I don't know if they would blast as hard as for a VO2max? I think PFT is a pretty broad range of tests.
A professional athlete, i guess, would want the full PFT and a sports doctor would give the full PFT.

But obfuscate away.....apu.
Not at all - just asking / querying what the PFT might include. Its called discussion and debate, you should try it instead of just throwing long words in from the sidelines in an attempt to shut things down...
Strange, a Pulmonary Function Test is typically a diagnostic tool for lung disease or very chronic asthma - to the point where it's completely debilitating, not what an athlete would be able to perform with.

Measurements are:

Spirometry
Lung Volume
Maximum Respiratory Pressure
Oxygen Desaturation
Diffusing Capacity
Arterial Blood Gases

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_function_testing
It seems some research I was doing contradicted my statement earlier. If you have asthma you need a Pulmonary Function Test every year to ride on a WT or PC team:

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/76/80/ProgrammeofobligatoryMM2013ROADE_English.pdf

2. Biannual examination

2.1 Any cyclist who joins a team for the first time and those riders referred to in article 2.16.035 shall be obliged to undergo the biannual examination.

This examination must be conducted in the month preceding the first competition in which the cyclist participates for the team.

Subsequently, this examination shall be carried out every two years, regardless of the team to which the cyclist belongs at that time.

2.2 The biannual examination shall include the following examinations:

A cardiological examination, including an echo-doppler and a stress-electrocardiogram. These exams must be done alternately (one year echo-doppler, one year stress-electrocardiogram);

For the riders who suffer from asthma, an annual pulmonary function testing will have to be done ;

 A visual acuity test ;

The annual biological examinations underlined on point 3.1 (examination from December 1st to January 31st).
 
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-movistar-leaders-prepare-for-voyage-into-the-unknown/ said:
Both are excellently placed, therefore, heading into the mountains, but are aware that if they reach the second rest day next Tuesday without having gained an advantage on the time trial experts like Dumoulin and Froome
And there I was thinking that with Kimmage having already pointed out Froome's widely different results in ITTs in 2013 compared to 2015 and Froome's answer that he just didn't train on his TT bike this year because there's no point, it wouldn't be just a given that he is a specialist who will put minutes into the other GC riders.

But no. If he time trials like Martin again because the occasion required it, it will be because Froomey has always been a TT specialist hasn't he.
 
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SeriousSam said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-movistar-leaders-prepare-for-voyage-into-the-unknown/ said:
Both are excellently placed, therefore, heading into the mountains, but are aware that if they reach the second rest day next Tuesday without having gained an advantage on the time trial experts like Dumoulin and Froome
And there I was thinking that with Kimmage having already pointed out Froome's widely different results in ITTs in 2013 compared to 2015 and Froome's answer that he just didn't train on his TT bike this year because there's no point, it wouldn't be just a given that he is a specialist who will put minutes into the other GC riders.

But no. If he time trials like Martin again because the occasion required it, it will be because Froomey has always been a TT specialist hasn't he.

he resumed his TT sessions between the Tour and the Vuelta

https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/632216617129218052
 
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pastronef said:
SeriousSam said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-movistar-leaders-prepare-for-voyage-into-the-unknown/ said:
Both are excellently placed, therefore, heading into the mountains, but are aware that if they reach the second rest day next Tuesday without having gained an advantage on the time trial experts like Dumoulin and Froome
And there I was thinking that with Kimmage having already pointed out Froome's widely different results in ITTs in 2013 compared to 2015 and Froome's answer that he just didn't train on his TT bike this year because there's no point, it wouldn't be just a given that he is a specialist who will put minutes into the other GC riders.

But no. If he time trials like Martin again because the occasion required it, it will be because Froomey has always been a TT specialist hasn't he.

he resumed his TT sessions between the Tour and the Vuelta

https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/632216617129218052
Ah see I was thinking you'd do a GT and win it, then basically recover for 6 weeks before doing another one with the intent of winning it.

Makes complete sense that you'd be improve your TT function between the two through overtraining and subsequent supercompensation.

Clean.

It's not like Chris raced before the Tour or anything.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
pastronef said:
SeriousSam said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-movistar-leaders-prepare-for-voyage-into-the-unknown/ said:
Both are excellently placed, therefore, heading into the mountains, but are aware that if they reach the second rest day next Tuesday without having gained an advantage on the time trial experts like Dumoulin and Froome
And there I was thinking that with Kimmage having already pointed out Froome's widely different results in ITTs in 2013 compared to 2015 and Froome's answer that he just didn't train on his TT bike this year because there's no point, it wouldn't be just a given that he is a specialist who will put minutes into the other GC riders.

But no. If he time trials like Martin again because the occasion required it, it will be because Froomey has always been a TT specialist hasn't he.

he resumed his TT sessions between the Tour and the Vuelta

https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/632216617129218052
Ah see I was thinking you'd do a GT and win it, then basically recover for 6 weeks before doing another one with the intent of winning it.

Makes complete sense that you'd be improve your TT function between the two through overtraining and subsequent supercompensation.

Clean.

It's not like Chris raced before the Tour or anything.
Froome wouldn't have been hammering himself doing huge ITT sessions, just getting out on the TT bike more. Even in the early 90's you couldn't smash yourself in between consecutive GT's unless your first name was Miguel and your last name was Indurain.
 

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