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[sniper]

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Brailsford just issued a press release stating that they had Froome running up Mont Teide on Tenerife working on surprise crashes..........

Anywya, Bauke is not amused.

Bauke Mollema Verifizierter Account
‏@BaukeMollema

What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down...

Trek have appealed the decision for Mollema.

Additionally the Jury is always a UCI appointed one:

there’s a jury of UCI commissaires tasked with upholding the rules

They used the rule "exceptional circumstances" to give Froome and Porte the time lift and now Quintana.

One might remember Ted King not getting the same luck when he crashed in the TTT and missed the time cut by 5 seconds and was DQ'd form the Tour on Stage 1.

Interesting.

Excellent point about Ted King.
That was 2013, under Cookson.
Bad luck for Ted that he'd never ridden for Sky.

 

[gazr99]

Could be wrong, the way I understand it is they have given Froome & Porte the same time as Mollema, then Quintana, Valverde and Van Garderen the same as Yates as I presume they were all together when held up. Quintana arguably gained more on an overall race point of view than Froome, he was in a world of hurt

 

[gazr99]

Rasmussen found his answer

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/753663966572838913

 

[thehog]

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Brailsford just issued a press release stating that they had Froome running up Mont Teide on Tenerife working on surprise crashes..........

Anywya, Bauke is not amused.

Bauke Mollema Verifizierter Account
‏@BaukeMollema

What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down...

Trek have appealed the decision for Mollema.

Additionally the Jury is always a UCI appointed one:

there’s a jury of UCI commissaires tasked with upholding the rules

They used the rule "exceptional circumstances" to give Froome and Porte the time lift and now Quintana.

One might remember Ted King not getting the same luck when he crashed in the TTT and missed the time cut by 5 seconds and was DQ'd form the Tour on Stage 1.

Interesting.

Excellent point about Ted King.
That was 2013, under Cookson.
Bad luck for Ted that he'd never ridden for Sky.

There was also Contador in 2011, who lost 1m20s due to a crash with 10km to go, then Shleck got caught in a crash inside 3km and Contador managed to catch them as they were held up. However they still gave Contador 1m20s.

The three time Tour winner was cruising close the front of the bunch inside the final 10 kilometers when Maxim Iglinskiy (Team Astana) clipped a fan at the side of the road and fell, causing a mass pile up in the peloton. Only 30 riders avoided it but these included several of Contador's overall rivals.

Despite a frantic chase lead by Saxo Bank-SunGard and Euskaltel-Euskadi - who had Samuel Sanchez caught up in the melee too - Contador lost 1:20 to Andy Schleck (Leopard Trek), Cadel Evans (BMC), Bradley Wiggins (Team Sky) and others at the finish.

Contador quickly understood the significance of the lost time but tried to stay as upbeat as possible.

 

[Benotti69]

Those grapes are of an exceptionally sour vintage tonight.

The only disgraceful incident was the fact it happened in the first place. Clearly the right decision. Even if you only have the one eye (so circa 95% of those on this thread)

A lot of the clinic got very excited watching Froome crashing and running up Ventoux, it's their wet dream

I dont think so. Although i visit the clinic a lot i dont think of riders in that term.

I would rather than WADA, UCI and other authorities do their best to crack down on doping and do their best to target dealers. Rider are low in the chain of it all. They get used more in the sport than they get out of it.

Froome has taken things higher than Armstrong. While not of the same nasty bullying character, he has morphed further than Armstrong's transformation. But i still dont want to see Froome's career end under a car!

So stop with stupid posts like this.

 

[thehog]

And of course Froome was once DQ'd for hanging on to a motorcycle once... :lol:

Team Sky’s Chris Froome ended his Giro d’Italia today after the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) communicated it disqualified him for holding onto motorbike during the 19th stage to Aprica.

“One of our commissaires saw him holding on to a motorbike on the Mortirolo climb,” Jury president, Vincente Tortajada, told Cycling Weekly.

Froome held on to a police motorbike, according to another UCI source. The UCI issued the communiqué after the stage, referring to article 12.1.040.18, which also said that it fined him 200 Swiss Francs (£120, €140).

 

[sniper]

And of course Froome was once DQ'd for hanging on to a motorcycle once... :lol:

Team Sky’s Chris Froome ended his Giro d’Italia today after the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) communicated it disqualified him for holding onto motorbike during the 19th stage to Aprica.

“One of our commissaires saw him holding on to a motorbike on the Mortirolo climb,” Jury president, Vincente Tortajada, told Cycling Weekly.

Froome held on to a police motorbike, according to another UCI source. The UCI issued the communiqué after the stage, referring to article 12.1.040.18, which also said that it fined him 200 Swiss Francs (£120, €140).

I wonder if that was the moment when Froome decided to go Full Monty.

 

[kwikki]

If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it. I would have been excited to see Yates in yellow, but even Yates, with the most to lose, agreed with the decision.

 

[StryderHells]

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@stryderhells, you could be right.
lots of vagueness. Little transparency.
UCI don't look good.

Michael Rasmussen ‏@MRasmussen1974 1 Std.Vor 1 Stunde
Michael Rasmussen hat Bauke Mollema retweetet
Mollema definitely has a point here. I am still curious to know where, who and how times were taken and given #TDF

That's the problem with the rules of the sport and the UCI in general, rules so poorly written that the loopholes are so large you can literally run up a mountain through them

 

[StryderHells]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

 

[gazr99]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it. I would have been excited to see Yates in yellow, but even Yates, with the most to lose, agreed with the decision.

Agreed but please stop with these posts outlining the obvious truth

 

[thehog]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it. I would have been excited to see Yates in yellow, but even Yates, with the most to lose, agreed with the decision.

Agreed but please stop with these posts outlining the obvious truth

Well that's not true. Fabio Parra attacked on d'Huez and was halted by motocycles and the crowed and was brought back 3 times. Nothing happened. He didn't get yellow or gain time when he was clearly the strongest. He wasn't in yellow.

 

[sniper]

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That's the problem with the rules of the sport and the UCI in general, rules so poorly written that the loopholes are so large you can literally run up a mountain through them

agreed.

 

[sniper]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

well, it would be less alarming in the case of Quintana, because Cookson and UCI are not tied to Quintana or Movistar through all sorts of conflicts of interest the way they are to Sky.
So if Kwikki has a problem with the scrutiny of this incident, he really has to take it up with Cookson, UCI and Sky.

 

[thehog]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

well, it would be less alarming in the case of Quintana, because Cookson and UCI are not tied to Quintana or Movistar through all sorts of conflicts of interest the way they are to Sky.
So if Kwikki has a problem with the scrutiny of this incident, he really has to take it up with Cookson, UCI and Sky.

Blind hatred is a pointless jibe.

Froome was booed on the presentation of yellow today. The result stinks but I agree with many I'm not sure how else they could split the stage fairly. For me what was actually worse was Froome slowing down the main bunch when Stannard crashed. They was not sportsman like, the group was racing, why should the group stop?

 

[Benotti69]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it. I would have been excited to see Yates in yellow, but even Yates, with the most to lose, agreed with the decision.

Nobody blinked when Yates gone done over by Flamme Rouge.

Froome has taken the mantle of Armstrong in many ways. Heavy duty crtiicism comes with that. Not blind hatred. There are many many reasons to criticise Froome. After all he is making a mockery of the ideals of the sport.

 

[BYOP88]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

well, it would be less alarming in the case of Quintana, because Cookson and UCI are not tied to Quintana or Movistar through all sorts of conflicts of interest the way they are to Sky.
So if Kwikki has a problem with the scrutiny of this incident, he really has to take it up with Cookson, UCI and Sky.

Blind hatred is a pointless jibe.

Froome was booed on the presentation of yellow today. The result stinks but I agree with many I'm not sure how else they could split the stage fairly. For me what was actually worse was Froome slowing down the main bunch when Stannard crashed. They was not sportsman like, the group was racing, why should the group stop?

I'd say this if anyone else was did this too:
If Froome crashed then yes stop, if he's hanging back waiting for teammates who crashed that's up to him the peloton should've ridden on.

 

[Benotti69]

Velonews take a pot shot at Froome

"Froome’s abuse of yellow was Movistar’s missed opportunity"

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/07/tour-de-france/froomes-abuse-of-yellow-was-movistars-missed-opportunity_414736#2eblAkefoO0h075r.99

 

[kwikki]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

I'm not painting everybody that way. That's why I said "many people" and didn't say "everybody".

 

[thehog]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it.

I would have a problem with it if the situation had involved Quintana instead of Froome and so would many other posters here, sure some are blinded by a big dislike of Froome and Sky but not all so don't paint everybody that way

well, it would be less alarming in the case of Quintana, because Cookson and UCI are not tied to Quintana or Movistar through all sorts of conflicts of interest the way they are to Sky.
So if Kwikki has a problem with the scrutiny of this incident, he really has to take it up with Cookson, UCI and Sky.

Blind hatred is a pointless jibe.

Froome was booed on the presentation of yellow today. The result stinks but I agree with many I'm not sure how else they could split the stage fairly. For me what was actually worse was Froome slowing down the main bunch when Stannard crashed. They was not sportsman like, the group was racing, why should the group stop?

I'd say this if anyone else was did this too:
If Froome crashed then yes stop, if he's hanging back waiting for teammates who crashed that's up to him the peloton should've ridden on.

Agreed, its contorting the result to have maximum teammates at the base of the climb. I was also concerned that Froome post stage on Twiiter (I know its not him) was boasting saying the jersey is still his etc etc. Its like he feels its rightfully his no matter what.

Not sure what to make of him these days but there is nothing he can't do... he will win the Tour by minutes and then some. No one in this race can beat him, not even a motocycle!

 

[kwikki]

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If Quintana had launched a successful attack on Froome, and then was brought to a halt by crowds and a motor, leaving Froome to ride past him, and the race was neutralised, giving Quintana the time advantage he had over Froome at point of crash, and putting him in yellow, do you think many people in this forum would be criticising that decision?

Get real.

The blind hatred in here is obvious. I'm OK, with that, it's all part of being a sports fan, but be honest about it. I would have been excited to see Yates in yellow, but even Yates, with the most to lose, agreed with the decision.

Nobody blinked when Yates gone done over by Flamme Rouge.

Because ASO took the 3k time splits, putting Yates in white.

You do realise you are making my point for me, don't you.

 

[BYOP88]

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[quote="thehog


Agreed, its contorting the result to have maximum teammates at the base of the climb. I was also concerned that Froome post stage on Twiiter (I know its not him) was boasting saying the jersey is still his etc etc. Its like he feels its rightfully his no matter what.

Not sure what to make of him these days but there is nothing he can't do... he will win the Tour by minutes and then some. No one in this race can beat him, not even a motocycle![/quote]

Lets not forget he trained to peak in week 3. Going to be carnage, well hopefully.

 

[kwikki]

I was surprised that Quintana peeled so easily. Porte didn't though. But for his unfortunate puncture a few days ago, he'd be the danger man. I really thought Froome was feeling insecure, hence the downhill and flat attacks for seconds, but now I'm not so sure. Quintana couldn't hold on today, when he really needed to get ahead. We'll see if a rest day blood bag freshens him up for the Alps.

 

[python]

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I was surprised that Quintana peeled so easily. Porte didn't though. But for his unfortunate puncture a few days ago, he'd be the danger man. I really thought Froome was feeling insecure, hence the downhill and flat attacks for seconds, but now I'm not so sure. Quintana couldn't hold on today, when he really needed to get ahead. We'll see if a rest day blood bag freshens him up for the Alps.

pls, let me make more of your points keeping up with your wind...

agree, the froomer took a bigger blood bag today than quintana to outdo him. you're so perceptive....also agree, if quintana will take another bb the froomer will again outdo him in the blood bag copm.

 

[kwikki]

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Velonews take a pot shot at Froome

"Froome’s abuse of yellow was Movistar’s missed opportunity"

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/07/tour-de-france/froomes-abuse-of-yellow-was-movistars-missed-opportunity_414736#2eblAkefoO0h075r.99

Everybody could have ridden on when Froome stopped. But they didnt. They chose to wait.

Maybe the peloton has chosen it's new patron?