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[BullsFan22]

And of course Froome was once DQ'd for hanging on to a motorcycle once... :lol:

Team Sky’s Chris Froome ended his Giro d’Italia today after the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) communicated it disqualified him for holding onto motorbike during the 19th stage to Aprica.

“One of our commissaires saw him holding on to a motorbike on the Mortirolo climb,” Jury president, Vincente Tortajada, told Cycling Weekly.

Froome held on to a police motorbike, according to another UCI source. The UCI issued the communiqué after the stage, referring to article 12.1.040.18, which also said that it fined him 200 Swiss Francs (£120, €140).

I wonder if that was the moment when Froome decided to go Full Monty.

As someone who has been around since 2010 and posted so much, you should know this has been discussed on more than one occasion!

 

[gazr99]

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Velonews take a pot shot at Froome

"Froome’s abuse of yellow was Movistar’s missed opportunity"

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/07/tour-de-france/froomes-abuse-of-yellow-was-movistars-missed-opportunity_414736#2eblAkefoO0h075r.99

Everybody could have ridden on when Froome stopped. But they didnt. They chose to wait.

Maybe the peloton has chosen it's new patron?

Very strange. Didn't realise Froome had that sort of seniority in the peloton even if he was wearing yellow jersey. Whilst its noble of Froome (or selfish depending on your view of him) has this been done before for a crash of a domestique? Surprised the peloton didn't carry on racing

 

[Saint Unix]

It was pretty obvious what Valverde wanted to do when Froome took off to take a leak. Dude was mad.

Problem is, when he announces to everyone that he needs a tactical p*ss everyone ends up looking like a disrespectful idiot if they start gunning it. If Movi had put the pace up before Froome took action it would have looked slightly better.

The unwritten rule of the yellow jersey still applies in the peloton, but I've yet to see such cynical and blatant use of its power. I've seen the maillot jaune wait for GC contenders that have crashed or had mechanicals, but I've never seen the maillot jaune stop the entire peloton to wait for his own doms. Sky are getting a bit too comfy up on their throne.

 

[python]

And of course Froome was once DQ'd for hanging on to a motorcycle once... :lol:

Team Sky’s Chris Froome ended his Giro d’Italia today after the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) communicated it disqualified him for holding onto motorbike during the 19th stage to Aprica.

“One of our commissaires saw him holding on to a motorbike on the Mortirolo climb,” Jury president, Vincente Tortajada, told Cycling Weekly.

Froome held on to a police motorbike, according to another UCI source. The UCI issued the communiqué after the stage, referring to article 12.1.040.18, which also said that it fined him 200 Swiss Francs (£120, €140).

I wonder if that was the moment when Froome decided to go Full Monty.

As someone who has been around since 2010 and posted so much, you should know this has been discussed on more than one occasion!

true. lets explore another sharp angle i have not seen much about in terms of the brits/english discussing the brits/english. that should (at least) be on the table. here goes.

the uci jury working for the british uci president sorting out the british rider case. :surprised:

would anyone entirely dismiss the notion the jury members wittingly or not were looking forward to keeping their well-pad jobs for their british boss ?

 

[thehog]

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It was pretty obvious what Valverde wanted to do when Froome took off to take a leak. Dude was mad.

Problem is, when he announces to everyone that he needs a tactical p*ss everyone ends up looking like a disrespectful idiot if they start gunning it. If Movi had put the pace up before Froome took action it would have looked slightly better.

The unwritten rule of the yellow jersey still applies in the peloton, but I've yet to see such cynical and blatant use of its power. I've seen the maillot jaune wait for GC contenders that have crashed or had mechanicals, but I've never seen the maillot jaune stop the entire peloton to wait for his own doms. Sky are getting a bit too comfy up on their throne.

Agreed, Valverde wasn't happy, rightfully so. Tomorrow the ITT might be stopped in case Froome needs to take a waz :lol:

 

[kwikki]

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It was pretty obvious what Valverde wanted to do when Froome took off to take a leak. Dude was mad.

Problem is, when he announces to everyone that he needs a tactical p*ss everyone ends up looking like a disrespectful idiot if they start gunning it. If Movi had put the pace up before Froome took action it would have looked slightly better.

The unwritten rule of the yellow jersey still applies in the peloton, but I've yet to see such cynical and blatant use of its power. I've seen the maillot jaune wait for GC contenders that have crashed or had mechanicals, but I've never seen the maillot jaune stop the entire peloton to wait for his own doms. Sky are getting a bit too comfy up on their throne.

You should have been around in the 70s and 80s. Hinault was much worse.

 

[simoni]

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Brailsford just issued a press release stating that they had Froome running up Mont Teide on Tenerife working on surprise crashes..........

Anywya, Bauke is not amused.

Bauke Mollema Verifizierter Account
‏@BaukeMollema

What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down...

Trek have appealed the decision for Mollema.

Additionally the Jury is always a UCI appointed one:

there’s a jury of UCI commissaires tasked with upholding the rules

They used the rule "exceptional circumstances" to give Froome and Porte the time lift and now Quintana.

One might remember Ted King not getting the same luck when he crashed in the TTT and missed the time cut by 5 seconds and was DQ'd form the Tour on Stage 1.

Interesting.

Excellent point about Ted King.
That was 2013, under Cookson.
Bad luck for Ted that he'd never ridden for Sky.

No it wasn't. Cookson appointed in autumn 2013. After tdf. Let's get the facts right for once.

To say nothing of the fact that king was injured in a stage before the ttt. Harsh decision on king and the inconsistency is frustrating but still within the rules.

Anyway in my view the only possible decision today was the one they took. Unless the rules are changed to specifically make crowd/motos etc part of the course (similar to ref being part of pitch in football) there's a world of difference between a racing incident a la Porte and contactor early in this race and what happened today.

 

[ontheroad]

All this talk about Froome getting preferential treatment is masking what was yet another frightening show of strength from Froome today. He is so superior to the rest of the peloton that the only way the race was going to lightened up is if the times had stood. Instead he will probably increase his advantage tomorrow and wind up behind the sky train all the way to Paris since he doesn't have to extend himself. If someone had predicted his career would pan out this way when he was 26 you'd be taking them away to get sectioned.

I don't really know what Froome is like as a person off the bike, he seems pretty reserved and quite intense. However on the bike he is a ruthless competitor who will do anything to gain an advantage. Stealing KOTM points on Maijka riding up Arcalis, elbowing/punching the fan and then abusing the privilege of the maillot Jaune today by stopping the peloton when 3 sky riders crashed and thus allowing 2 of his mountain domestiques from the group behind to get back in. This all said something about his mindset, he will do whatever it takes to win. I do know that no other figure in sport at present polarises opinion as much as Froome. The one quality Froome does possess is a brass neck to stave off the criticism and plough on regardless. Generally speaking, I don't think he is overly popular for a man who has achieved so much and more than that, he attracts a lot of hate. Someone like Wiggins was a lot more popular in Britain having achieved a lot less than Froome for instance. It is the transformation from donkey to racehorse that is preventing people from applauding.

 

[thehog]

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Brailsford just issued a press release stating that they had Froome running up Mont Teide on Tenerife working on surprise crashes..........

Anywya, Bauke is not amused.

Bauke Mollema Verifizierter Account
‏@BaukeMollema

What's going on? Seems like everybody gets time bonuses. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been the only one to go down...

Trek have appealed the decision for Mollema.

Additionally the Jury is always a UCI appointed one:

there’s a jury of UCI commissaires tasked with upholding the rules

They used the rule "exceptional circumstances" to give Froome and Porte the time lift and now Quintana.

One might remember Ted King not getting the same luck when he crashed in the TTT and missed the time cut by 5 seconds and was DQ'd form the Tour on Stage 1.

Interesting.

Excellent point about Ted King.
That was 2013, under Cookson.
Bad luck for Ted that he'd never ridden for Sky.

No it wasn't. Cookson appointed in autumn 2013. After tdf. Let's get the facts right for once.

To say nothing of the fact that king was injured in a stage before the ttt. Harsh decision on king and the inconsistency is frustrating but still within the rules.

Anyway in my view the only possible decision today was the one they took. Unless the rules are changed to specifically make crowd/motos etc part of the course (similar to ref being part of pitch in football) there's a world of difference between a racing incident a la Porte and contactor early in this race and what happened today.

Cookson has been on the management committee since 2009, he has sat on race jury's since 1986.

 

[BYOP88]

Is it normal that a team manger and rider sits in with the commissars, race organizers for this type of situation?

 

[thehog]

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Is it normal that a team manger and rider sits in with the commissars, race organizers for this type of situation?

It shouldn't be as the other riders didn't have the benefit. It's why the crowd booed during the presentation.

Video here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Trudgin/status/753711191307026432

 

[Saint Unix]

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f someone had predicted his career would pan out this way when he was 26 you'd be taking them away to get sectioned.

Back in the early stages of the 2009 Tour when Team Sky had just been presented to the public with the mission statement of putting a British rider on top of the podium within five years I remember saying to my mates "Haha! Who the hell are they going to do that with? Chris Froome?" and having a bit of a laugh. Mentioning Froome wasn't because he has an unusual name or looked weird on a bike or whatever. It was an informed statement, because he was probably the best young British rider in terms of stage race ability even back then, with his strong points being climbing and time trialling. That's not to say he always had the engine or was a future superstar. It was more cracking fun at how ludicrous and outlandish the Sky mission statement was back then, because despite Froome's strong points being favourable for stage racing, his actual performance levels and potential as a rider were recognized as being far from good enough to challenge the elite. The British pool of talent back then, apart from non-climbers like Cav, was that poor.

It's also worth remembering that this was a week or two before Bradley Wiggins went nuclear. Back then Charlie Wegelius at 31 years of age was the only British rider in the world that had shown enough for people to classify him as a World Tour level climber, and even he was only good enough to reach mountain domestique status. After seeing Wiggins finishing just shy of the three most doped up guys the peloton has seen in a long time two things became abundantly clear:
1) There's no way he's clean and nobody could possibly believe in this, and
2) He's going straight to Team Sky and is probably going to be the rider they put on the podium, if they ever do it.

So I forgot all about my joke about Chris Froome.

Then August 2011 happened.

 

[BYOP88]

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f someone had predicted his career would pan out this way when he was 26 you'd be taking them away to get sectioned.

Back in the early stages of the 2009 Tour when Team Sky had just been presented to the public with the mission statement of putting a British rider on top of the podium within five years I remember saying to my mates "Haha! Who the hell are they going to do that with? Chris Froome?" and having a bit of a laugh. Mentioning Froome wasn't because he has an unusual name or looked weird on a bike or whatever. It was an informed statement, because he was probably the best young British rider in terms of stage race ability even back then, with his strong points being climbing and time trialling. That's not to say he always had the engine or was a future superstar. It was more cracking fun at how ludicrous and outlandish the Sky mission statement was back then, because despite Froome's strong points being favourable for stage racing, his actual performance levels and potential as a rider were recognized as being far from good enough to challenge the elite. The British pool of talent back then, apart from non-climbers like Cav, was that poor.

It's also worth remembering that this was a week or two before Bradley Wiggins went nuclear. Back then Charlie Wegelius at 31 years of age was the only British rider in world that had shown enough for people to classify him as a World Tour level climber, and even he was only good enough to reach mountain domestique status. After seeing Wiggins finishing just shy of the three most doped up guys the peloton has seen in a long time two things became abundantly clear:
1) There's no way he's clean and nobody could possibly believe in this, and
2) He's going straight to Team Sky and is probably going to be the rider they put on the podium, if they ever do it.

So I forgot all about my joke about Chris Froome.

Then August 2011 happened.

The person to blame for all this mess is Lars Petter Nordhaug if he didn't get sick just before the 2011 Vuelta, none of this would be happening right now.

 

[thehog]

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f someone had predicted his career would pan out this way when he was 26 you'd be taking them away to get sectioned.

Back in the early stages of the 2009 Tour when Team Sky had just been presented to the public with the mission statement of putting a British rider on top of the podium within five years I remember saying to my mates "Haha! Who the hell are they going to do that with? Chris Froome?" and having a bit of a laugh. Mentioning Froome wasn't because he has an unusual name or looked weird on a bike or whatever. It was an informed statement, because he was probably the best young British rider in terms of stage race ability even back then, with his strong points being climbing and time trialling. That's not to say he always had the engine or was a future superstar. It was more cracking fun at how ludicrous and outlandish the Sky mission statement was back then, because despite Froome's strong points being favourable for stage racing, his actual performance levels and potential as a rider were recognized as being far from good enough to challenge the elite. The British pool of talent back then, apart from non-climbers like Cav, was that poor.

It's also worth remembering that this was a week or two before Bradley Wiggins went nuclear. Back then Charlie Wegelius at 31 years of age was the only British rider in world that had shown enough for people to classify him as a World Tour level climber, and even he was only good enough to reach mountain domestique status. After seeing Wiggins finishing just shy of the three most doped up guys the peloton has seen in a long time two things became abundantly clear:
1) There's no way he's clean and nobody could possibly believe in this, and
2) He's going straight to Team Sky and is probably going to be the rider they put on the podium, if they ever do it.

So I forgot all about my joke about Chris Froome.

Then August 2011 happened.

The person to blame for all this mess is Lars Petter Nordhaug if he didn't get sick just before the 2011 Vuelta, none of this would be happening right now.

Lars Petter Nordhaug left Sky and came back! They probably had to keep him quiet! He won the Tour of Yorkshire in 2015, lol! :lol:

 

[The Hitch]

There's still time for brailsfraud to claim they trained specifically for this type of situation, froome doing parts of every ascent on his feet just in case he ever lost his bike #marginalgains

 

[snccdcno]

In 2006 Brailsford saw Froome do shite in an 800 meter race but he ran it in sand shoes so the potential to run faster than most people in the world was always there.

 

[Saint Unix]

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There's still time for brailsfraud to claim they trained specifically for this type of situation, froome doing parts of every ascent on his feet just in case he ever lost his bike #marginalgains

"You have to be prepared for every situation. That's why Chris always holds it in, just in case he needs the others to wait for his mates."

 

[thehog]

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There's still time for brailsfraud to claim they trained specifically for this type of situation, froome doing parts of every ascent on his feet just in case he ever lost his bike #marginalgains

Brailford's mob pressure on the race jury worked a treat. Tactical genius.

 

[Electress]

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It was pretty obvious what Valverde wanted to do when Froome took off to take a leak. Dude was mad.

Problem is, when he announces to everyone that he needs a tactical p*ss everyone ends up looking like a disrespectful idiot if they start gunning it. If Movi had put the pace up before Froome took action it would have looked slightly better.

The unwritten rule of the yellow jersey still applies in the peloton, but I've yet to see such cynical and blatant use of its power. I've seen the maillot jaune wait for GC contenders that have crashed or had mechanicals, but I've never seen the maillot jaune stop the entire peloton to wait for his own doms. Sky are getting a bit too comfy up on their throne.

He was quite literally taking the piss. The peloton were utterly idiotic. It's one thing not to race on when something happens to the MJ, as that could be seen as 'taking advantage of misfortune'. It isn't a misfortune to need to have a pee, and quite disgraceful to manipulate the peloton's goodwill in that way. And folks wonder why Froome/Sky are disliked.

Here on the British highlights, of course, it didn't even get mentioned...we got plenty of Aru's drafting however

 

[msjett]

The TT will be interesting to see if the fall has taken wind out of the sails of Froome and Porte....cause I am sure that bouncing off the back of a motor bike and hitting the deck has to hurt something somewhere. All the dope in the world can't stop the fall trauma on the body....Then there is the wasted energy of running up the hill, and bemoaning the fact they crashed.

 

[sniper]

^ true story.
it should normally take its toll.

i feel for froome, seeing the lame 'runs like a Kenyan' jokes on twitter.
like others, i think probably the right decision was made giving him and porte mollema's time. i briefly thought UCI had overruled ASO. But false alarm, as thehog pointed out.
Sucks for mollema though, and people on twitter rightly wonder why he wasn't given any bonus seconds.

 

[sniper]

froome's bike was broken, so why is he trying to run with it?
here's the footage of that:
https://twitter.com/Jonet_H/status/753699924278214656
weird. unless maybe he was hoping to get a spare wheel quickly, which didnt happen.
anybody see when/where he eventually dropped his bike?

 

[DirtyWorks]

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However on the bike he is a ruthless competitor who will do anything to gain an advantage. Stealing KOTM points on Maijka riding up Arcalis, elbowing/punching the fan and then abusing the privilege of the maillot Jaune today by stopping the peloton when 3 sky riders crashed and thus allowing 2 of his mountain domestiques from the group behind to get back in. This all said something about his mindset, he will do whatever it takes to win.

Hmm. Interesting. He's cleans.

Rewind to the first week on the Arcalis stage.
The peloton has knocked it back a little after Alejandro Valverde (Movistar) rejoined them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/07/10/tour-de-france-2016-stage-nine---live1/

Sky would have shut that breakaway down if Valverde hadn't come back.

 

[thehog]

The Dawg channeling 2010 version 1.2

 

[proffate]

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froome's bike was broken, so why is he trying to run with it?
here's the footage of that:
https://twitter.com/Jonet_H/status/753699924278214656
weird. unless maybe he was hoping to get a spare wheel quickly, which didnt happen.
anybody see when/where he eventually dropped his bike?

he leaned/tossed his bike against a stopped moto about 10 seconds into the run portion of his race. I'm sure he was initially carrying the bike because the rules state you must cross the finish line with your bike, I guess he imagined he was going to run all the way there? Seems like a natural reaction to grab your bike in the heat of the moment. (I know you're trying to imply he had some motor or something to hide but this is pretty weak evidence.)