Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Taxus4a]

You make your hypoteis, but not all the possible hypotesis, just the ones who suits yourt thoughs..

To say Froome was a medicre rider is to dont understand about cycling and about hiss trayectory.

Froome showed in 2008, as a young rider with big potential for 3 weaks. Next 2 year he got some good results, but he had some bad luck, especilly in his especiallity, 3 weeks races, he just raced the Giro, to help, a race with rain, and just before one of them he had a crash.

And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Giro_d%27Italia#Young_rider_classification
Big potential indeed. Look how many GTs those in front of him have won.

 

[deeno1975]

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And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

Less doping!!!!!
And how do you account for the climbing speeds being the same as the "good old days" of rampant EPO usage?

And don't say tail wind or marginal gains...

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

Less doping!!!!!
And how do you account for the climbing speeds being the same as the "good old days" of rampant EPO usage?

And don't say tail wind or marginal gains...

There is a plethora of potential reasons. Climbing speeds cannot be examined in isolation —only in context.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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And here is Taxus arguing that it wasn't a bald faced lie because Froome was clean and Contador was doping so Froome really was better despite the puncture. By taking on faith the very thing Froome can no better support than with a bald faced lie, Taxus finds the bald faced lie to be truth! Incredible.

Amazing!

 

[42x16ss]

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And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

Less doping!!!!!
And how do you account for the climbing speeds being the same as the "good old days" of rampant EPO usage?

And don't say tail wind or marginal gains...

There is a plethora of potential reasons. Climbing speeds cannot be examined in isolation —only in context.

Like Ventoux in 2013?

 

[Benotti69]

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And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

Less doping!!!!!
And how do you account for the climbing speeds being the same as the "good old days" of rampant EPO usage?

And don't say tail wind or marginal gains...

There is a plethora of potential reasons. Climbing speeds cannot be examined in isolation —only in context.

Madone times are pretty good starting point.

The peloton is a dirty and doped as it ever was.

 

[The Hitch]

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And finally with more experience, more age and with less doping in the peloton. he showed his level at the end of 2011.

Less doping!!!!!
And how do you account for the climbing speeds being the same as the "good old days" of rampant EPO usage?

And don't say tail wind or marginal gains...

Of course there is less doping. Didn't you see that BBC study into doping? dozens of cyclists at the 1997 Tour de France got caught doping. Meanwhile, at the most recent race- 2016 Dauphine, no one has been caught doping.

Therefore cycling is cleaner now.

FACT.

 

[vedrafjord]

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For a peer review journal 6 month is not abnormal - some times the reviewers actually object
to parts of the text and ask for changes or even more substantial work.
There is even the risk of outright rejection on the basis of paucity of scientific method.

I'm slightly confused here...perhaps ignorance of the scientific procedure is to blame

what is to review?

They did what is presumably established physiological testing of a human athlete...the likes of which must have been done (hundreds of) thousands of times....what is 'new' here that needs such reviewing?

this indeed.

also note thatjeroen swart has plenty of experience with producing a reviewable manuscript.
and the gsk guys had a data report ready almost directly after the tests. the report was all over the internet.

this should be an easy exercise, and one that would normally receive priority, since froome is hihgprofile.
i,m calling big bs on this time frame.

I am a scientist, and a six month delay is absolutely typical. It's one of the reasons there's a push towards preprints and post-publication review with sites like Arxiv. Figure of around 9 months for society journals is mentioned here http://openaccesspublishing.org/oa11/article.pdf

The for-profit, closed access journals are an absolute price-gouging racket racket on a level that would make Pat McQuaid or Sepp Blatter blush. Here's a good summary from a guy who lobbies heavily for getting bio/medical papers available to all as soon as possible http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=694 - he says average wait for his papers is 6-9 months.

Back in March I defended the publication delay as typical for biomedical science. From http://blog.dhimmel.com/plos-and-publishing-delays/ I found a good graph of the typical wait between submission and acceptance for a range of journals (acceptance to publication typically takes a couple of weeks on top of this). The journals have a skew towards pure biology vs medicine, but the spread is the same according to friends who publish in pure medical journals. You can see why I used to send my papers to NAR.

If I was the scientist in this position months later, however, I'd be looking to publish wherever I could at this stage, including minor journals, journals that review only for soundness and not notability like Plos One, 'preprint' sites like Biorxiv, and technical reports. The publicity from a wider audience for publication would be more than worth it, vs potentially getting into a journal with a higher impact factor later and risking the research and the story going 'stale'. Otherwise my grant review committee would start asking questions. Publish or perish!

 

[sniper]

Swart/GSK publishing data which they themselves admit are basically uninteresting - or let's say 'low-impact' - in a high-impact journal is not an encouraging signal for the state of the art of sport science.

 

[deeno1975]

"Froomey" staying out of trouble, mixing it with the sprinters, riding smart... surely he will make some more friends here riding like that :lol:

Don't wish ill of anyone but would love to see "Froomey" a few minutes down so he has to go full gas in the mountains, his bottom bracket glowing like a full moon...

 

[thehog]

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"Froomey" staying out of trouble, mixing it with the sprinters, riding smart... surely he will make some more friends here riding like that :lol:

Don't wish ill of anyone but would love to see "Froomey" a few minutes down so he has to go full gas in the mountains, his bottom bracket glowing like a full moon...

The mutant attack will be coming... :lol:

 

[bigcog]

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"Froomey" staying out of trouble, mixing it with the sprinters, riding smart... surely he will make some more friends here riding like that :lol:

Don't wish ill of anyone but would love to see "Froomey" a few minutes down so he has to go full gas in the mountains, his bottom bracket glowing like a full moon...

The mutant attack will be coming... :lol:

I hope so

 

[thehog]

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"Froomey" staying out of trouble, mixing it with the sprinters, riding smart... surely he will make some more friends here riding like that :lol:

Don't wish ill of anyone but would love to see "Froomey" a few minutes down so he has to go full gas in the mountains, his bottom bracket glowing like a full moon...

The mutant attack will be coming... :lol:

I hope so

So, you said we should wait for the Froome physiological report as it will tell us all. Any updates, lol! :lol:

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Rumour has it Froome's body is glowing in the darkness of the French night after getting his top up before tomorrows imminent mutant attack. Below is a supposed picture of him taken this evening

http://i.imgur.com/YJGevHS.png

 

[thehog]

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Rumour has it Froome's body is glowing in the darkness of the French night after getting his top up before tomorrows imminent mutant attack. Below is a supposed picture of him taken this evening

http://i.imgur.com/YJGevHS.png

Mutant will come Sunday, I think tomorrow he'll just follow, maybe go half-*** towards the end.

 

[Digger]

I agree with hog - can't see much going on today - just a select group finishing together. The make up of this year's race does make blood bag strategies tricky though.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't know.

I remember Walsh declaring on off the ball that one of SKy's super effective marginal gains is that they prepare for the first mountain stage.

No one else does that.

NO ONE.

Froom thereby gets an advantage by winning the first mountain stage and getting a lead.
Maybe he'll do it again this year.

 

[Benotti69]

The channelling of his inner Armstrong continues..........

 

[El Pistolero]

I guess the goalposts will now move and the fanboys will declare Froome was always a master descender (even though he rode away on pure power).

 

[SeriousSam]

He's toying with the peloton.

I think we all know what awaits tomorrow.

 

[thehog]

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I guess the goalposts will now move and the fanboys will declare Froome was always a master descender (even though he rode away on pure power).

He had to lose the fat first before he could become a better decender :lol:

 

[LeindersGains]

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The channelling of his inner Armstrong continues..........

Armstrong was a skilled descender (see Beloski incident). But he never made a gap the way Froome did downhill. If this isn't the best case for the existence of moto doping, I don't know what is.

 

[LeindersGains]

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He's toying with the peloton.

I think we all know what awaits tomorrow.

1 minute on the first MTF is so last year. I'm thinking 2 minutes this year.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

lol... right, so... lol!

Thanks for the larfs, Vroooooom!

(I would consider what he did today was full ***, but is it possible to go even more than full ***?)