Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[thehog]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

 

[gillan1969]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

plus ca change the hog..plus ca change

 

[gillan1969]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

you can extend that to most situations...we all know that he intelligence was made to fit th crime (Iraq)...we get the Inquiry and Bliar can claim he acted in good faith and he's off the hook

in reality we all know

Brailsford's at arms length too.....indeed if I were even more cynical (and thought Brailsford was clever enough ) I might extend the hiring of Lienders to be insurance against any dodgy positves...any inquiry would know exactly where to point the figure...poor sir Dave fooled by looking into his eyes

 

[thehog]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

you can extend that to most situations...we all know that he intelligence was made to fit th crime (Iraq)...we get the Inquiry and Bliar can claim he acted in good faith and he's off the hook

in reality we all know

Brailsford's at arms length too.....indeed if I were even more cynical (and thought Brailsford was clever enough ) I might extend the hiring of Lienders to be insurance against any dodgy positves...any inquiry would know exactly where to point the figure...poor sir Dave fooled by looking into his eyes

Leeson never started university, went straight from school into the front office, I think Dawg managed to get a semester or two before realising he just needed to lose the fat to become a world class cyclist :lol:

Brailsford incidentally did his MBA at the same institution that the dodgy never to be seen Henao altitude natives report was supposed to come from. Funny how all that links together and throw in Oli Cookson for good measure, who supposedly was assisting with the testing. Couldn't make some of that sh!t up.

 

[gillan1969]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

you can extend that to most situations...we all know that he intelligence was made to fit th crime (Iraq)...we get the Inquiry and Bliar can claim he acted in good faith and he's off the hook

in reality we all know

Brailsford's at arms length too.....indeed if I were even more cynical (and thought Brailsford was clever enough ) I might extend the hiring of Lienders to be insurance against any dodgy positves...any inquiry would know exactly where to point the figure...poor sir Dave fooled by looking into his eyes

Leeson never started university, went straight from school into the front office, I think Dawg managed to get a semester or two before realising he just needed to lose the fat to become a world class cyclist :lol:

Brailsford incidentally did his MBA at the same institution that the dodgy never to be seen Henao altitude natives report was supposed to come from. Funny how all that links together and throw in Oli Cookson for good measure, who supposedly was assisting with the testing. Couldn't make some of that **** up.

love leeson's book..called into the boss a number of times only to blag it and had the fortune that the boss was to embarrassed to admit he didn't understand what he as talking about...

blind them with (psuedo)science ....

 

[thehog]

while we are on banking...nick leeson managed to seriously improve his performance whilst management in effect turned a blind eye whilst the illusory profits rolled in..

now Barings may have been a stuffy organisation and not used to the new reality in banking but Brailsford has been round the block...

That’s a good analogy, Leeson was making 10% of Bearings profits all on his own so he was the 90s banking world version of Froome, Leeson also practically came from nowhere! That was until they discovered Leeson had managed to rack up a secret debt of £900m, which was a lot back in 1995.

What was most interesting was there was a public inquiry into the collapse of Bearing by the UK Government and Bank of England. Of course the report made several recommendations up which is most funny as the freewheeling banking days and crazy credit loaning was just about to begin all the way through to 2008 collapse. Which just goes to show that a government inquiry generally leads to not much at all in the UK. Several parallels to be drawn from that to present day with UKAD et al.

you can extend that to most situations...we all know that he intelligence was made to fit th crime (Iraq)...we get the Inquiry and Bliar can claim he acted in good faith and he's off the hook

in reality we all know

Brailsford's at arms length too.....indeed if I were even more cynical (and thought Brailsford was clever enough ) I might extend the hiring of Lienders to be insurance against any dodgy positves...any inquiry would know exactly where to point the figure...poor sir Dave fooled by looking into his eyes

Leeson never started university, went straight from school into the front office, I think Dawg managed to get a semester or two before realising he just needed to lose the fat to become a world class cyclist :lol:

Brailsford incidentally did his MBA at the same institution that the dodgy never to be seen Henao altitude natives report was supposed to come from. Funny how all that links together and throw in Oli Cookson for good measure, who supposedly was assisting with the testing. Couldn't make some of that **** up.

love leeson's book..called into the boss a number of times only to blag it and had the fortune that the boss was to embarrassed to admit he didn't understand what he as talking about...

blind them with (psuedo)science ....

LOL! Cycling Genius Sir Dave wouldn't' have a clue what Leinders, Kerrison or Froome would tell him

Leeson like Froome just went all in, when things started to go south he just amped up the risk taking! If not for a pesky earthquake in Japan he probably would have covered his losses and some.

 

[gillan1969]

[/quote]Leeson never started university, went straight from school into the front office, I think Dawg managed to get a semester or two before realising he just needed to lose the fat to become a world class cyclist :lol:

Brailsford incidentally did his MBA at the same institution that the dodgy never to be seen Henao altitude natives report was supposed to come from. Funny how all that links together and throw in Oli Cookson for good measure, who supposedly was assisting with the testing. Couldn't make some of that **** up.[/quote]

love leeson's book..called into the boss a number of times only to blag it and had the fortune that the boss was to embarrassed to admit he didn't understand what he as talking about...

blind them with (psuedo)science .... [/quote]

LOL! Cycling Genius Sir Dave wouldn't' have a clue what Leinders, Kerrison or Froome would tell him

Leeson like Froome just went all in, when things started to go south he just amped up the risk taking! If not for a pesky earthquake in Japan he probably would have covered his losses and some.[/quote]

(un)known unknowns

yup..indeed I believe that LTCM (with an nobel economist on board) took that very strategy...don't worry, hold your nerve...keep piling it on....

and....well....

 

[gillan1969]

the quote thng doing my head in

i think your man...forgotten his name...wrote a book 'Black Swan'

bit of a one trick pony but not a total waste of a read...maybe one for sniper actually re: lemond....just because you've never seen one...doesn't mean one might not come along

 

[doperhopper]

btw, where's that "power passport" Brailsford "demanded" when hunted into the corner by the french TV squad employing Vayer (after Pierre St. Martin alien performance)... they could release everything they "gave" to the authorities (unless that's just another fairy tale)

interview (Brailsford speaking fluent french - good PR stuff, but a huge mistake from tactical point of view, puts him into the defensive mode on the spot)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9vvlnN93I

 

[thehog]

btw, where's that "power passport" Brailsford "demanded" when hunted into the corner by the french TV squad employing Vayer (after Pierre St. Martin alien performance)... they could release everything they "gave" to the authorities (unless that's just another fairy tale)

interview (Brailsford speaking fluent french - good PR stuff, but a huge mistake from tactical point of view, puts him into the defensive mode on the spot)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9vvlnN93I

Who is the female in this interview? She single handily puts the male UK press to shame. Good interview.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Lets suppose sky and froome are human after all, and aren't any different from all other previous GT winning teams after all.
What a shocker that would be.

shock would be............if team sky caught and banninated today.........finding a clean team to

continue flying the cleans as a whistle banner...........................even JV has given up

Mark L

There will always be religion

 

[The Hitch]

btw, where's that "power passport" Brailsford "demanded" when hunted into the corner by the french TV squad employing Vayer (after Pierre St. Martin alien performance)... they could release everything they "gave" to the authorities (unless that's just another fairy tale)

interview (Brailsford speaking fluent french - good PR stuff, but a huge mistake from tactical point of view, puts him into the defensive mode on the spot)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9vvlnN93I

Who is the female in this interview? She single handily puts the male UK press to shame. Good interview.

I hope the fans and brailsfords boys like friebe, moore, Walsh etc don't see that vid otherwise that poor girl will be subject to a lot of the usual mysoginy about how women shouldn't be allowed to be journos.

 

[Gregga]

btw, where's that "power passport" Brailsford "demanded" when hunted into the corner by the french TV squad employing Vayer (after Pierre St. Martin alien performance)... they could release everything they "gave" to the authorities (unless that's just another fairy tale)

interview (Brailsford speaking fluent french - good PR stuff, but a huge mistake from tactical point of view, puts him into the defensive mode on the spot)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9vvlnN93I

Who is the female in this interview? She single handily puts the male UK press to shame. Good interview.

She's Céline Geraud, former european judo champion https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Céline_Géraud

 

[Tienus]

Good interview
@6:00
According to Brailsford there where no doping checks in Tenerife until Chris requested the UCI to do somethig about this.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Back to INHALERS - so why dont the peloton get on it ??

there was also a dodgey shot at 103.4kms when David Lopez reached into his back pocket and took something which was not a gel or food....his hands were clasping something and took care putting it back.

 

[sniper]

Re:

Good interview
@6:00
According to Brailsford there where no doping checks in Tenerife until Chris requested the UCI to do somethig about this.

again like on other occasions it just sounds like UCI are his lapdog. Like he owns the UCI.
And I don't doubt it for a second. He can say whatever and UCI will back him up.

What a fraud this is.
Dave defends Froome by invoking UKAD and UCI/passport/'independent analysts'. As if both those institutes still have any kind of credibility.
He memorized well to add the word 'independent', he does it very consciously at least twice when he speaks about UCI analysts.

"Froome has a special physiology. True. But he doesn't cheat". Ok, that settles it.

 

[thehog]

btw, where's that "power passport" Brailsford "demanded" when hunted into the corner by the french TV squad employing Vayer (after Pierre St. Martin alien performance)... they could release everything they "gave" to the authorities (unless that's just another fairy tale)

interview (Brailsford speaking fluent french - good PR stuff, but a huge mistake from tactical point of view, puts him into the defensive mode on the spot)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AF9vvlnN93I

Who is the female in this interview? She single handily puts the male UK press to shame. Good interview.

She's Céline Geraud, former european judo champion https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Céline_Géraud

So not only does she show the UK media how to conduct an interview appropriately, she could wrestle them all to the ground and put them in a choke hold.

In all seriousness, it's embarrassing to watch this interview, because she so good at what she does and shows just how bad the UK media is. In fact when Jalbert made his comments on Froome, the UK media decended on him and accosted him on his way to the studio. Pitiful.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Good interview
@6:00
According to Brailsford there where no doping checks in Tenerife until Chris requested the UCI to do somethig about this.

This is so dumb by Brailsford (and the fans of Sky), there is zero point in the UCI testing for EPO or passport testing at altitude. Sky knows this, Froome knows this. It's the very reason they train at altitude.

 

[sniper]

...
So not only does she show the UK media how to conduct an interview appropriately, she could wrestle them all to the ground and put them in a choke hold.

lol!

In all seriousness, it's embarrassing to watch this interview, because she so good at what she does and shows just how bad the UK media is. In fact when Jalbert made his comments on Froome, the UK media decended on him and accosted him on his way to the studio. Pitiful.

all the way.

in fact youtube is full of footage of french journos putting some heat on Froome in interviews/reports.
e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQyGPXjryYE
this one is good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5dQYVdJ-Y8
those jealous french journos, actually doing their job!

 

[Tienus]

This is so dumb by Brailsford (and the fans of Sky), there is zero point in the UCI testing for EPO or passport testing at altitude. Sky knows this, Froome knows this. It's the very reason they train at altitude.

Im trying to figure out if it is dumber than this statement:
We actually got an email from the UCI the other day saying thank you for being the most co-operative team out of everybody in the bike checks and all the mechanical checking.

 

[thehog]

Re:

This is so dumb by Brailsford (and the fans of Sky), there is zero point in the UCI testing for EPO or passport testing at altitude. Sky knows this, Froome knows this. It's the very reason they train at altitude.

Im trying to figure out if it is dumber than this statement:
We actually got an email from the UCI the other day saying thank you for being the most co-operative team out of everybody in the bike checks and all the mechanical checking.

Yes, 'the most co-operative team award' goes to Team Sky, presented by Brian Cookson to his son Oli for having all the bikes ready to be checked by he UCI testers inside a tent

It's completely dumb from Thug Brailsford. It's ironic that he said this and days later he is inside the UCI race jury caravan beating up the judges to give Froome the same time as Mollema.

Just too funny for words...

 

[Electress]

Re: Re:

This is so dumb by Brailsford (and the fans of Sky), there is zero point in the UCI testing for EPO or passport testing at altitude. Sky knows this, Froome knows this. It's the very reason they train at altitude.

Im trying to figure out if it is dumber than this statement:
We actually got an email from the UCI the other day saying thank you for being the most co-operative team out of everybody in the bike checks and all the mechanical checking.

Yes, 'the most co-operative team award' goes to Team Sky, presented by Brian Cookson to his son Oli for having all the bikes ready to be checked by he UCI testers inside a tent

It's completely dumb from Thug Brailsford. It's ironic that he said this and days later he is inside the UCI race jury caravan beating up the judges to give Froome the same time as Mollema.

Just too funny for words...

I'm not at the 'funny' stage. I'm thought I had gone past merely cynical into 'it no longer matters to me what a joke cycling has become'. Then the Tour and Olympics happened, and then I see/hear Brailsfraud et al. and I find myself fantasising about somehow getting into a position that I can either 1. forensically audit and/or 2. work undercover to expose that f...g team for the *** and charlatans I am sure they are. I find I really do mind the arrogance and smugness as they destroy one of the few sports I actually care about.

I suppose I should be happy. I have found out to my surprise I do still care. That's something. (Folly, probably).

 

[badboygolf16v]

In fact when Jalbert made his comments on Froome, the UK media decended on him and accosted him on his way to the studio. Pitiful.

That toady Matt Rendell - definitely knows which side his bread is buttered.

He blames the fans for doping. Like blaming a five year old for believing in Father Christmas.

 

[domination]

Re: Re:

This is so dumb by Brailsford (and the fans of Sky), there is zero point in the UCI testing for EPO or passport testing at altitude. Sky knows this, Froome knows this. It's the very reason they train at altitude.

Im trying to figure out if it is dumber than this statement:
We actually got an email from the UCI the other day saying thank you for being the most co-operative team out of everybody in the bike checks and all the mechanical checking.

Yes, 'the most co-operative team award' goes to Team Sky, presented by Brian Cookson to his son Oli for having all the bikes ready to be checked by he UCI testers inside a tent

It's completely dumb from Thug Brailsford. It's ironic that he said this and days later he is inside the UCI race jury caravan beating up the judges to give Froome the same time as Mollema.

Just too funny for words...

I'm not at the 'funny' stage. I'm thought I had gone past merely cynical into 'it no longer matters to me what a joke cycling has become'. Then the Tour and Olympics happened, and then I see/hear Brailsfraud et al. and I find myself fantasising about somehow getting into a position that I can either 1. forensically audit and/or 2. work undercover to expose that f...g team for the *** and charlatans I am sure they are. I find I really do mind the arrogance and smugness as they destroy one of the few sports I actually care about.

I suppose I should be happy. I have found out to my surprise I do still care. That's something. (Folly, probably).

What is funny though is that you see Sky as the team who have destroyed cycling.

So the countless teams and riders who came before, who have been proven to be cheats and frauds didn't already destroy one of the few sports you care about?

Yet a British team comes along a few years later, with not one iota of evidence of cheating, and suddenly cycling has entered its darkest hour? Hmmm.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Some funny motor attacks today...the funniest was after Quintana's first attack where he didn't do a single thing different yet glided his way up to him effortlessly. And the out of saddle acceleration was Valverde level batshit crazy.