this day just made a bit of justice , Uci has done all the exams necessary so Froome is officially A DOPER , this is a great day hope that WADA doesn't ruin things , BUT now will Nibali have his vuelta back?
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huangho said:What is clear to me is that it doesn't matter his defense he will lose his Vuelta title, that doze gave him an "extra" and that extra gave him an enormous advantage over the contenders, if it was a mistake or not, won't erase that advantage from the books; and of course a temporary ban will take place...
Now, what remains unclear are his predecent victories, because once more the Livestrong ritual are on scene, where the allowed doping from USADA, are giving enough place for the "sick" pros to play with the allowed limits, in order to get small advantages that can make a huge difference on long efforts like a GT.
I know that it always have been like that, but now is clear that CF was using that advantage on GTs (I think that the real error was an abnormal BB and now he got caught, but I won't use this hypothesis as a base for my statement).
This is serious and will open the debate of the authorized limits for certain substances, because I think that 1ng of salbutamol is an advantage for a sick person, so if authorities decide to review all precedent limits of CF for this medication, they will find that most of them are near that point, and for me that's a clear statement of an approved dope.
Is it legal? Of course is legal!
Is it right? Of course isn't right!
What are they going to do now??
That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thingIrondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
pastronef said:Climbing said:If they get away with this, I'm truly done with "pro" cycling.
Hopefully Sky will crumble.
remind me how many positive tests Astana had between pro team and U23 in the last ten years?
they got away with that
telencefalus said:That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thingIrondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
Irondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
Why would another doper(Nibali)get his title back from another doper? Might as well give Wonderboy back his 7 titles then, too funny. :lol:telencefalus said:this day just made a bit of justice , Uci has done all the exams necessary so Froome is officially A DOPER , this is a great day hope that WADA doesn't ruin things , BUT now will Nibali have his vuelta back?
Right you have a bit of intelligence is not a certain thing is an ALMOST certain thingbrownbobby said:telencefalus said:That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thingIrondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
I have a little bit of intelligence. I once got a gold star at school to prove it. It's not a certain thing in my mind.
Irondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
Irondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
that's a big difference not for me but for uci , Nibali is not an official doper , while froome is that86TDFWinner said:Why would another doper(Nibali)get his title back from another doper? Might as well give Wonderboy back his 7 titles then, too funny. :lol:telencefalus said:this day just made a bit of justice , Uci has done all the exams necessary so Froome is officially A DOPER , this is a great day hope that WADA doesn't ruin things , BUT now will Nibali have his vuelta back?
Irondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
telencefalus said:that's a big difference not for me but for uci , Nibali is not an official doper , while froome is that86TDFWinner said:Why would another doper(Nibali)get his title back from another doper? Might as well give Wonderboy back his 7 titles then, too funny. :lol:telencefalus said:this day just made a bit of justice , Uci has done all the exams necessary so Froome is officially A DOPER , this is a great day hope that WADA doesn't ruin things , BUT now will Nibali have his vuelta back?
I think it's morally right. I don't think it necessarily drains the swamp. But there's reality and reputation. Busting Froome is good for one and bad for the otherhrotha said:I think it's good for cycling when the most successful and/or egregious cheats are caught, so there.
telencefalus said:huangho said:What is clear to me is that it doesn't matter his defense he will lose his Vuelta title, that doze gave him an "extra" and that extra gave him an enormous advantage over the contenders, if it was a mistake or not, won't erase that advantage from the books; and of course a temporary ban will take place...
Now, what remains unclear are his predecent victories, because once more the Livestrong ritual are on scene, where the allowed doping from USADA, are giving enough place for the "sick" pros to play with the allowed limits, in order to get small advantages that can make a huge difference on long efforts like a GT.
I know that it always have been like that, but now is clear that CF was using that advantage on GTs (I think that the real error was an abnormal BB and now he got caught, but I won't use this hypothesis as a base for my statement).
This is serious and will open the debate of the authorized limits for certain substances, because I think that 1ng of salbutamol is an advantage for a sick person, so if authorities decide to review all precedent limits of CF for this medication, they will find that most of them are near that point, and for me that's a clear statement of an approved dope.
Is it legal? Of course is legal!
Is it right? Of course isn't right!
What are they going to do now??
IF HE WILL HAVE THIS FAKE VUELTA TITLE , pro cycling is more than done is just junk
and for the past well the motor maybe will not be found but ......who knows , i have also doubts about the 2015 tour de france also
telencefalus said:Right you have a bit of intelligence is not a certain thing is an ALMOST certain thingbrownbobby said:telencefalus said:That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thingIrondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
I have a little bit of intelligence. I once got a gold star at school to prove it. It's not a certain thing in my mind.
well i 'm pretty sure Nibali is not the guy to break the inner cycling rule in order to do the tour vuelta double , he knows that is not able to do that with ordinary doping so i'm prety sure he will not pass the limitpastronef said:telencefalus said:that's a big difference not for me but for uci , Nibali is not an official doper , while froome is that86TDFWinner said:Why would another doper(Nibali)get his title back from another doper? Might as well give Wonderboy back his 7 titles then, too funny. :lol:telencefalus said:this day just made a bit of justice , Uci has done all the exams necessary so Froome is officially A DOPER , this is a great day hope that WADA doesn't ruin things , BUT now will Nibali have his vuelta back?
well, for you Froome was an official doper even before being official. I didnt remember you, before today, saying "Froome is not an official doper" as you are saying for Nibali
we all have our favourite doper eh?
come on froome venotux in 2013 was not credible to do that Attacks on the saddle at 850 watt and with that cadence i DO NOT BELIEVE , and the truth about that will not be made because uci had to dismantle froome bike that daybrownbobby said:telencefalus said:Right you have a bit of intelligence is not a certain thing is an ALMOST certain thingbrownbobby said:telencefalus said:That day will be when we will found that FROOME used a MOTOR on ventoux , but in the mind of people with a little bit of intelligence that is a certain thingIrondan said:Everyone laughing at Chris Froome, Sky, Dave Brailsford and all the other hypocrites out there that no doubt deserve this fate seem to be missing the bigger picture in that this is AWFUL for pro cycling! A four time Tour De France champion has just been given back an AAF and people are laughing about it like it's funny or good for cycling when it's not funny at all, although it does feel good to be proven right it's not a laughing matter if you're a fan of pro cycling. I suppose the snipers of the world are having a good time with this but personally, I think this is just another black mark on a sport that has too many black marks to it's credit.
I love pro cycling and feel like I've been punched in the gut even though I'm not at all a Chris Froome or Team Sky fan.
Someday, all these doping scandals are going to catch up to the sport, is this the day?
I have a little bit of intelligence. I once got a gold star at school to prove it. It's not a certain thing in my mind.
No, not even close to being probable in my mind.
Todays events have been seismic in terms of the doping debate; he's shifted from highly suspicious but innocent until proven guilty, to now being guilty until proven innocent in my mind.
My views on the whole motors debate hasn't shifted one bit though. In fact, why would he bother with PED's just to sit on a motorbike.
that what make me really sad , we will never officially know if he used a motor on ventoux in 2013 ,and of course he will not tell us about that , but -----you never knowPantani Attacks said:Yeah the motor truth will have to come from Froome himself ala Lance tell all.