Giro 2013 rumours

[McLovin]

Serre Chevalier (the combined ski area of Chantemerle, Briancon and some other towns) hosted the Galibier stage at the Tour. These towns have more money to spend than Alpe d'Huez I'd say, as the skiing area is much larger. It's one of the larger ski "resorts" in France.

Correct. That's why they put Serre Chevalier on the stage name. Just like with St. Lary Soulan. When Galibier was a middle stage climb, they never mentioned Serre, because they didn't have to pay. Because last year it was stage finish, they paid but they also got their name there. If they came from north, it would have been Valloire-Galibier. Simple. Probably when they finished on Ventoux, Tourmalet or Aubisque, they made an exception and gave up the money.

 

[airstream]

I don't think we'd be disappointed in case Galibier would be included in the stage without mentioning Serre-Chevalier. Actually it is quite unlikely that the Giro has big commercial goals going in France.

 

[Parrulo]

Serre Chevalier (the combined ski area of Chantemerle, Briancon and some other towns) hosted the Galibier stage at the Tour. These towns have more money to spend than Alpe d'Huez I'd say, as the skiing area is much larger. It's one of the larger ski "resorts" in France.



The Galibier is a problem, but the Stelvio isn't? Obviously they'll have a back-up plan, like they do this year.

The stelvio is the most mythical climb of the giro and the organization doesn't care about what kind of money they must use to make the roads ridable. The galibier is irrelevant for giro history so wasting any amount of €'s to make it ridable is just that, a waste of money.

 

[airstream]

I don't think we'd be disappointed in case Galibier would be included in the stage without mentioning Serre-Chevalier. Actually, it is quite unlikely that the Giro has big commercial goals going in France. But obviously either this or the next one stage must be a MTF. I don't know that region good. What climbs can be used for finish in Piemonte?

The stelvio is the most mythical climb of the giro and the organization doesn't care about what kind of money they must use to make the roads ridable.

It makes no difference. Galibier is the most mythical climb in cycling and lose only to Alpe-d'Huez by fame. And since last year its status reached devotional unprecedented cycling-wise heights at all.

 

[Parrulo]

I don't think we'd be disappointed in case Galibier would be included in the stage without mentioning Serre-Chevalier. Actually, it is quite unlikely that the Giro has big commercial goals going in France. But obviously either this or the next one stage must be a MTF. I don't know that region good. What climbs can be used for finish in Piemonte?


It makes no difference. Galibier is the most mythical climb in cycling and lose only to Alpe-d'Huez by fame. And since last year its status reached devotional unprecedented cycling-wise heights at all.

After reading that a proper italian would, quoting Johnny Cash " laugh in your face and spit in your eyes" (look for johnny cash- 25 minutes to go to get the reference)

The galibier and the Alpe may be more well know to the average joe july cycling fan, but to a proper cycling fan those climbs can't hold a candle to the mortirolo, the gavia, the stelvio, the zoncolan and the fedaia.

the mortirolo, the zoncolan and the stelvio are so much tougher it's not even worth to discuss it, the snowy stage into gavia beats any story the 2 tour climbs have 2 offer and the fediaia simply is the most breath taking beautiful climb in the word.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

After reading that a proper italian would, quoting Johnny Cash " laugh in your face and spit in your eyes" (look for johnny cash- 25 minutes to go to get the reference)

The galibier and the Alpe may be more well know to the average joe july cycling fan, but to a proper cycling fan those climbs can't hold a candle to the mortirolo, the gavia, the stelvio, the zoncolan and the fedaia.

the mortirolo, the zoncolan and the stelvio are so much tougher it's not even worth to discuss it, the snowy stage into gavia beats any story the 2 tour climbs have 2 offer and the fediaia simply is the most breath taking beautiful climb in the word.

The paisans in america would say "fuhgeddaboudit" but we appreciate you holding the candle for us and fighting a good fight.

 

[airstream]

After reading that a proper italian would, quoting Johnny Cash " laugh in your face and spit in your eyes" (look for johnny cash- 25 minutes to go to get the reference)

The galibier and the Alpe may be more well know to the average joe july cycling fan, but to a proper cycling fan those climbs can't hold a candle to the mortirolo, the gavia, the stelvio, the zoncolan and the fedaia.

the mortirolo, the zoncolan and the stelvio are so much tougher it's not even worth to discuss it, the snowy stage into gavia beats any story the 2 tour climbs have 2 offer and the fediaia simply is the most breath taking beautiful climb in the word.

that is not the question, i'm not a july cycling fan, but as you see... In my view, Zonc, Mortirolo and Fedaia (I agree with your note regarding beauty) is cycling romantic, raisin, a certain exceptionally italian coloring, but Galibier and Alpe-d'Huez is a cycling shrine, an absolutely stunning story relating to the whole world cycling, not only to italian one.

 

[theyoungest]

that is not the question, i'm not a july cycling fan, but as you see... In my view, Zonc, Mortirolo and Fedaia (I agree with your note regarding beauty) is cycling romantic, raisin, a certain exceptionally italian coloring, but Galibier and Alpe-d'Huez is a cycling shrine, an absolutely stunning story relating to the whole world cycling, not only to italian one.

You do know that Andy Schleck did very well on the Mortirolo once? Since apparently that's what it takes to make a climb legendary.

 

[airstream]

You do know that Andy Schleck did very well on the Mortirolo once? Since apparently that's what it takes to make a climb legendary.

Andy has nothing to do with that, though I hope you know who a Zonc record-holder among active riders is. lol, guys, I beg you, stop, my vision of the Giro and the Tour climbs formed before Andy's appearance and didnot change.

 

[Ferminal]

I don't know that region good. What climbs can be used for finish in Piemonte?

I think such a stage would be better for July where you're not at the mercy of the weather, considering the whole thing comes unstuck if you can't use the big passes. I do agree that you're better off finishing in Italy.

e.g.

(Starting in Italy)

San Carlo/Petit Saint Bernard - Iseran - Cenis - Finestre - Sestriere

(Starting in France)

Telegraphe/Galibier - Izoard - Agnel - Sampeyre

 

[Red Rick]

Sampeyre-Agnello-Izoard. Done. No need for anything else.

OOOO, include Fauniera before that, or does it get too long then?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

After reading that a proper italian would, quoting Johnny Cash " laugh in your face and spit in your eyes" (look for johnny cash- 25 minutes to go to get the reference)

The galibier and the Alpe may be more well know to the average joe july cycling fan, but to a proper cycling fan those climbs can't hold a candle to the mortirolo, the gavia, the stelvio, the zoncolan and the fedaia.

the mortirolo, the zoncolan and the stelvio are so much tougher it's not even worth to discuss it, the snowy stage into gavia beats any story the 2 tour climbs have 2 offer and the fediaia simply is the most breath taking beautiful climb in the word.

They want the attention of some of those Tour de France-only cycling fans, so a finish on a legendary TDF climb will have to be used to accomplish that goal. Alpe d'Huez is the most obvious one, but apparently they don't want a Giro finish. It won't be a queen stage, anyway. My guess is they'll go the safer Sestriere - Montgenevre route and finish on the Lautaret if the Galibier is snowed in.

 

[Ferminal]

OOOO, include Fauniera before that, or does it get too long then?

Nope, bit of a waste of Fauniera though?

 

[Red Rick]

Nope, bit of a waste of Fauniera though?

yeah, Zomegnan would do it and do the same stage in reverse order the day after

 

[Red Rick]

They want the attention of some of those Tour de France-only cycling fans, so a finish on a legendary TDF climb will have to be used to accomplish that goal. Alpe d'Huez is the most obvious one, but apparently they don't want a Giro finish. It won't be a queen stage, anyway. My guess is they'll go the safer Sestriere - Montgenevre route and finish on the Lautaret if the Galibier is snowed in.

If the finish on the lautaret, it will be considered a flat stage by the organizers

 

[McLovin]

They want the attention of some of those Tour de France-only cycling fans, so a finish on a legendary TDF climb will have to be used to accomplish that goal. Alpe d'Huez is the most obvious one, but apparently they don't want a Giro finish. It won't be a queen stage, anyway. My guess is they'll go the safer Sestriere - Montgenevre route and finish on the Lautaret if the Galibier is snowed in.

3 very weak climbs. maybe better with les deux alpes (to honor pantani) after lautaret. or finestre before sestriere.

 

[Magnus]

After reading that a proper italian would, quoting Johnny Cash " laugh in your face and spit in your eyes" (look for johnny cash- 25 minutes to go to get the reference)

The galibier and the Alpe may be more well know to the average joe july cycling fan, but to a proper cycling fan those climbs can't hold a candle to the mortirolo, the gavia, the stelvio, the zoncolan and the fedaia.

the mortirolo, the zoncolan and the stelvio are so much tougher it's not even worth to discuss it, the snowy stage into gavia beats any story the 2 tour climbs have 2 offer and the fediaia simply is the most breath taking beautiful climb in the word.

You might be right about Mortirolo and Zoncolan. But in my experience Stelvio and Galibier is pretty much equally tough.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Aren't there enough mountains in Italy? Doing a MTF on the Galibier seems stupid as hell. If they really want to have one in France, go to a playe like Alpe D'Huez. But Galibier is really not necccesary at all.

 

[Eshnar]

It makes no difference. Galibier is the most mythical climb in cycling and lose only to Alpe-d'Huez by fame. And since last year its status reached devotional unprecedented cycling-wise heights at all.

You cannot be serious.
Are you?

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

You cannot be serious.
Are you?

aw come on, its the highest ever GT finish and his man won it. you've got to give him that.

 

[Eshnar]

aw come on, its the highest ever GT finish and his man won it. you've got to give him that.

not at all -.-

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

not at all -.-

Isn't it? I thought it was the top until Stelvio in 2 weeks time.

 

[Eshnar]

Isn't it? I thought it was the top until Stelvio in 2 weeks time.

Stelvio has already been stage finish before.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Stelvio has already been stage finish before.

I did not know that, thanks.

 

[Eshnar]

I did not know that, thanks.

You're welcome.
Just for the record, in 1975 the Stelvio was the whole race finish. Don't remember if it was stage finish in other years. It was climbed six times overall: 1953, 1975, 1994, 2005 and two years I don't remember. Of those 4 the only stage finish was 1975 sure. The others I dunno.