Giro 2017, stage 15: Valdengo – Bergamo 199 km

[Dukerojo]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

Exactly, Dumoulin's arrogance will cost him so much next week, cannot wait for Tuesday.

How was that arrogant?

I think that he is arrogant but in this case I think that he doesn't want to win without a good competition

 

[Netserk]

What's wrong with arrogance?

 

[Eagle]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

I don't think he does. He's mostly likely going to win or lose by minutes not seconds. His main aim in these stages should be conserving as much energy as possible, not wasting it going for a handful of seconds.

A 150 meter sprint will surely not be the deciding factor in terms of fatigue in a three week race.

Neither will 6 seconds

 

[King Boonen]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

I don't think he does. He's mostly likely going to win or lose by minutes not seconds. His main aim in these stages should be conserving as much energy as possible, not wasting it going for a handful of seconds.

A 150 meter sprint will surely not be the deciding factor in terms of fatigue in a three week race.

The straw that broke the camel's back is a pretty famous story...

 

[Vroome.exe]

Who would have thought Quintana is the second best sprinter!?

 

[Roku]

I'm so sad for Tonel, he was en route to a very good GC, a Top5 was even possible given how good he is on 3rd week of GT

On the other hand, great win for Jungels, hopefully he can maintain a Top-10 on GC and his second white jersey.

 

[Brullnux]

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What's wrong with arrogance?

It isn't exactly a desirable quality in a person

 

[movingtarget]

Right Quintana is going to win to win the race on sprint bonuses..............

 

[TommyGun]

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What's wrong with arrogance?

It is not a very likeable trait IMO.

 

[Dukerojo]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

Exactly, Dumoulin's arrogance will cost him so much next week, cannot wait for Tuesday.

How was that arrogant?

It was not only the sprint, it was the waiting for Quintana when he crashed, as if he was already sure that Quintana would never make back the time loss.

I think that in that mountain, Nairo and Movistar will have make the time even if they didn't slow doen

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I think that Pinot could have won that stage pretty easily, but he seemed very scared in the sprint.

Not if Konrad had regained contact earlier. By far the best sprinter in the first group, but he just got back a little bit too late.

 

[Dukerojo]

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Who would have thought Quintana is the second best sprinter!?

He is from the same country is Gaviria

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Amazing last 2km by Patrick Konrad: he'll wish the stage were 200m longer.

 

[Moviefan1203]

I don't see any arrogance in Dumoulin, but losing time to Quintana was certainly a strategic error on his part. You don't want to give Quintana any kind of moral victory.

 

[benzwire]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

Exactly, Dumoulin's arrogance will cost him so much next week, cannot wait for Tuesday.

How was that arrogant?

It was not only the sprint, it was the waiting for Quintana when he crashed, as if he was already sure that Quintana would never make back the time loss.

You are hyper-critical. If he had turned up the gas when Quintana fell he would be roasted for taking advantage of a competitor's accident. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Anyway, he did the right thing.

 

[movingtarget]

Horrible crash by Kangert. Be a miracle if he didn't break his arm.

 

[Roku]

What the heck is wrong with you people? How on earth could be Dumo arrogant for waiting Quintana?

 

[Laplaz]

I love Jungels, but he should aim one-day-races instead of Grand Tours imo.

 

[DFA123]

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When you have a big lead it's a silly idea to redline in a sprint, risk a crash and spend energy. Especially with tomorrow looming large in Big Tam's mind. Keep out of it and keep in the race.

Exactly this. I think one of the biggest mistakes he made in the 2015 Vuelta was going so hard into the red to gain a handful of seconds over Aru in the Avila stage late in the race. When him winning or losing was never going to come down to a handful of seconds. He just weakened his legs that little bit for the following decisive stage.

He needs to save all possible energy from here on in, because his ability to recover is going to be put under serious pressure in the last week.

Even a 10-20 second all out of effort will take its toll a bit.

 

[Dukerojo]

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I don't see any arrogance in Dumoulin, but losing time to Quintana was certainly a strategic error on his part. You don't want to give Quintana any kind of moral victory.

Especially with the day off

 

[Ricco']

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Horrible crash by Kangert. Be a miracle if he didn't break his arm.

Broken elbow confirmed by Astana. DNF.

 

[Irondan]

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Quintana clawed back a few seconds. Dumoulin needs to be aware of every second.

Exactly, Dumoulin's arrogance will cost him so much next week, cannot wait for Tuesday.

How was that arrogant?

It was not only the sprint, it was the waiting for Quintana when he crashed, as if he was already sure that Quintana would never make back the time loss.

Waiting for a fallen GC rival is an old pro cycling custom, not arrogance. It would seem arrogant if it never happened before, but believe it or not, that's something that GC riders used to do, but not these days.

Now if you don't go full gas when your rival crashes it's looked upon as weak and arrogant.

As for the sprint the intelligent thing to do would give up the bonus seconds to make sure you make it to the line unscathed in a hectic sprint. If the Giro comes down to six seconds between a win and loss there will be a dozen other places to find the time he lost before you get to the bonus seconds.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

I'm assuming Gig has been somewhere other than in front of his TV

 

[movingtarget]

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Horrible crash by Kangert. Be a miracle if he didn't break his arm.

Broken elbow confirmed by Astana. DNF.

Ah that is sad as he was riding well.

 

[Irondan]

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Horrible crash by Kangert. Be a miracle if he didn't break his arm.

Broken elbow confirmed by Astana. DNF.

That's really a shame. If the organizers put a flag person at those areas with signs in the middle of the road he would have avoided the crash.