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Didn't notice him at all, but nice stage by him if he finished close to the favorites.Cance > TheRest said:
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That is highly debatable.Irondan said:Waiting for a fallen GC rival is an old pro cycling custom, not arrogance. It would seem arrogant if it never happened before, but believe it or not, that's something that GC riders used to do, but not these days.TommyGun said:
Now if you don't go full gas when your rival crashes it's looked upon as weak and arrogant.
As for the sprint the intelligent thing to do would give up the bonus seconds to make sure you make it to the line unscathed in a hectic sprint. If the Giro comes down to six seconds between a win and loss there will be a dozen other places to find the time he lost before you get to the bonus seconds.
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I think he chose the right wheel. First Tibo's, then Jungels', while Tibo and Yates were riding into the wind. Still impressive.Vroome.exe said:
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Well maybe I am biased, but I still think they should have moved on at the same pace (not drill it, mind you). On French TV they blamed a lot Dumoulin on this move, as well. It kind of ruined the finale, since it gave a small breather for everyone at a critical moment.
Irondan said:Waiting for a fallen GC rival is an old pro cycling custom, not arrogance. It would seem arrogant if it never happened before, but believe it or not, that's something that GC riders used to do, but not these days.TommyGun said:
Now if you don't go full gas when your rival crashes it's looked upon as weak and arrogant.
As for the sprint the intelligent thing to do would give up the bonus seconds to make sure you make it to the line unscathed in a hectic sprint. If the Giro comes down to six seconds between a win and loss there will be a dozen other places to find the time he lost before you get to the bonus seconds.
Well maybe I am biased, but I still think they should have moved on at the same pace (not drill it, mind you). On French TV they blamed a lot Dumoulin on this move, as well. It kind of ruined the finale, since it gave a small breather for everyone at a critical moment.
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I think he took notes on Gaviria's style and he weaved into 2nd place in that sprint. Very nice work!
LaFlorecita said:
I think he took notes on Gaviria's style and he weaved into 2nd place in that sprint. Very nice work!
Not sure what Orica had for breakfast but without them the break survives for sure. They will sleep well tonight.
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Hoped he'll get away without broken bones, but it really was too much to expect after such a spectacular tumble.movingtarget said:
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Rolland's cornering is crappy, a veteran like him should do better.
As long as it's just the bone and no nerve damage, that looked nasty.sir fly said:
Rolland's cornering is crappy, a veteran like him should do better.
Super fast and entertaining stage!
I thought Yates would boss the sprint but he went way too early. Big mistake.
Nibbles looked spry for once.
I thought Yates would boss the sprint but he went way too early. Big mistake.
Nibbles looked spry for once.
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Nibs actually pulled throtthle when he noticed he won't get away and all guys left were GC contenders. He probably knew he won't get bonus in sprint and tried to slow the group down to allow better sprinters getting into mix. Almost pulled it off with Konrad, but Jungels was clever enough to monster pull another 500 meters right after Nibs stopped.
Hugo Koblet said:
Nibs actually pulled throtthle when he noticed he won't get away and all guys left were GC contenders. He probably knew he won't get bonus in sprint and tried to slow the group down to allow better sprinters getting into mix. Almost pulled it off with Konrad, but Jungels was clever enough to monster pull another 500 meters right after Nibs stopped.
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Exactly. Pathetic isn't it.
To add, I don't have any particular favourite out of Tom D or Quintana.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Exactly. Pathetic isn't it.
To add, I don't have any particular favourite out of Tom D or Quintana.
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Rolland has never been good on descents. Very unconvincing but the guy never stops trying. I wouldn't mind seeing him take a stage.
Mayomaniac said:
Rolland has never been good on descents. Very unconvincing but the guy never stops trying. I wouldn't mind seeing him take a stage.
So sad that Rolland went from a top5 contender to basically nothing despite these 21st century training methods
I think it was a good move from Quintana. He was tactically spot on and he gained 6 seconds. Obviously that's not a lot, and it probably won't matter in the end of the Giro (win or lose), but he's at least trying to do something and animating the race. Last time I checked, that's what everyone wants to see, an animated race, right? So many have complained throughout this Giro that it's been boring and nobody's doing anything significant to shake up the race, well, now that we have had a few ripple effects the past couple stages, all of a sudden people people don't appreciate that? You can't have it both ways. "Oh what a boring snoozefest of a race!" Somebody attacks: "Oh wow, why did he attack? It was a meaningless attack!"
Also don't see any arrogance in Dumoulin waiting for Quintana.
I had a sneaky feeling that a result like this, where the GC men are most, if not all of them, are attentive and the stage result is made up of those particular men. I think the high speed softened things up today, and the aggressive riding throughout the day made it possible for those with GC aspirations-aka more endurance men-to stay up front and possibly challenge. The tough final part of the stage was also going to play into the hands of riders like Jungels. I actually thought Dumoulin could have another go today, but he is obviously thinking big picture.
Also don't see any arrogance in Dumoulin waiting for Quintana.
I had a sneaky feeling that a result like this, where the GC men are most, if not all of them, are attentive and the stage result is made up of those particular men. I think the high speed softened things up today, and the aggressive riding throughout the day made it possible for those with GC aspirations-aka more endurance men-to stay up front and possibly challenge. The tough final part of the stage was also going to play into the hands of riders like Jungels. I actually thought Dumoulin could have another go today, but he is obviously thinking big picture.
Classy action from Tom & Sunweb to slow the peloton when Nairito crashed - nice & entertaining stage - Jungels
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Sport is entertainment. The point is to put up the best show for the fans. If the race leader (or a serious contender) crashes hard at the start and then the other teams proceed to smash it to the finish on a flat stage, it takes a big player out of the show without any payoff for the fans. It doesn't matter if he crashed because he was doing a wheelie and fell over. If the fans wanted to see a death match and then a team time trial, someone would stage it. What they want is to see is a test of endurance and skill. Someone winning a race because of a crash when no one is watching is no fun. But so would be the whole field waiting whenever there was a crash. And so is a race without attack on downhills (at least for now, I'm not sure if this will always be the case). That's why riders distinguish from the race being "on" or not, and that's why the decisive issue isn't the reason for the crash, but how it affects the race as a race, but ultimately as a show.
Yes, it is, as a matter of fact. It shows Dumoulin didn't wait for naught.webvan said:
Sport is entertainment. The point is to put up the best show for the fans. If the race leader (or a serious contender) crashes hard at the start and then the other teams proceed to smash it to the finish on a flat stage, it takes a big player out of the show without any payoff for the fans. It doesn't matter if he crashed because he was doing a wheelie and fell over. If the fans wanted to see a death match and then a team time trial, someone would stage it. What they want is to see is a test of endurance and skill. Someone winning a race because of a crash when no one is watching is no fun. But so would be the whole field waiting whenever there was a crash. And so is a race without attack on downhills (at least for now, I'm not sure if this will always be the case). That's why riders distinguish from the race being "on" or not, and that's why the decisive issue isn't the reason for the crash, but how it affects the race as a race, but ultimately as a show.
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I suggested yesterday that it may be hard for the breakaway for the remaining stages - Orica did well by backing in their rider for a stage victory - And it made for exciting racing.
movingtarget said:
I suggested yesterday that it may be hard for the breakaway for the remaining stages - Orica did well by backing in their rider for a stage victory - And it made for exciting racing.
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What a shame...boy that was ugly to watch. I hope he heals quickly and well. There should have been a flagman there!
Ricco' said:
What a shame...boy that was ugly to watch. I hope he heals quickly and well. There should have been a flagman there!
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