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Giro 2017, stage 19: S.Candido/Innichen - Piancavallo 191 km

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This is what happens when you backload all the mountains in the last week. The battle becomes an attrition race. And that's why we are seeing this. La Vuelta hates it and Le Tour is doing something similar.

Personally I like attrition. But this forum hates attrition. It despises attrition.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
HelloDolly said:
So how much does Pinot need on Dumoulin and Nibai tomorrow to bring to the TT to win

Maybe Tom was half right ...by watching him Pinot could take race from Nairo & Nibs but also from Dumoulin

Maybe this will be the karma
We can hope

But unfortunately I see the race going to Quintana in the end

Quintana might be in the pink jersey, but the last two stages do not suit him. Tomorrow looks like an opportunity for a Nibali ambush and Tom D is really the virtual leader (taking into account the final time trial), since Stoneface stills needs to gain more time. Tom D had a bad day today, but if he can hang in on the final two climbs, he will be in the driving seat (it's a big ask though). With Pinot and Zakharin in attacking mode, since both could gain significantly from a temporary alliance tomorrow, it looks like being an interesting finish. Maybe not explosive, but since fatigue has set in and the end is in sight, gaps will naturally open.

bassano said:
Carols said:
portugal11 said:
Landa is so similar to pantani.

NOT!

Exactly, he is way overrated
Landa was not even able to hang with main favourites on Sella Chianzutan, he was there only because nobody cares about him

Just like he was there on Oropa because nobody cared about him, or on Mortirolo and Finistere in 2015. Comparisons to Pantani are maybe out of place, but Landa is a very talented climber with great recovery. You could turn your argument on its head and say that Landa did not want to hang with the main favourites on Sella, beacause it was either the stage or nothing and measuring out his efforts was a much more sensible strategy, so he didn't care about the GC contest.

It's difficult to say where Landa would have finished if the crash had not occurred, but it's fairly obvious that he would be high up on GC. Maybe, I hype Landa. I've picked him for a stage win 4 times. The results: 1 win, 2 second places and an unlucky crash. More like mild embellishment of his abilities at the most.

Just in case you haven't noticed, very happy with the stage winner today :D
 
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Anderis said:
dusty red roads said:
Astana are leading the team classification by around 6 mins to Movistar, fingers crossed they win it and get a whole team win for Scarpa!
I think you were looking at the wrong page. Maybe team results of today only? In overall team classification Movistar is well ahead:
http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Giro_dItalia_2017_Stage_19_Teams


Oh rats, you're right! When I first saw it, for a brief moment it did seem strange, but I quickly pushed that away cos I'd love that to happen!
 
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Tank Engine said:
LaFlorecita said:
HelloDolly said:
So how much does Pinot need on Dumoulin and Nibai tomorrow to bring to the TT to win

Maybe Tom was half right ...by watching him Pinot could take race from Nairo & Nibs but also from Dumoulin

Maybe this will be the karma
We can hope

But unfortunately I see the race going to Quintana in the end

Quintana might be in the pink jersey, but the last two stages do not suit him. Tomorrow looks like an opportunity for a Nibali ambush and Tom D is really the virtual leader (taking into account the final time trial), since Stoneface stills needs to gain more time. Tom D had a bad day today, but if he can hang in on the final two climbs, he will be in the driving seat (it's a big ask though). With Pinot and Zakharin in attacking mode, since both could gain significantly from a temporary alliance tomorrow, it looks like being an interesting finish. Maybe not explosive, but since fatigue has set in and the end is in sight, gaps will naturally open.

bassano said:
Carols said:
portugal11 said:
Landa is so similar to pantani.

NOT!

Exactly, he is way overrated
Landa was not even able to hang with main favourites on Sella Chianzutan, he was there only because nobody cares about him

Just like he was there on Oropa because nobody cared about him, or on Mortirolo and Finistere in 2015. Comparisons to Pantani are maybe out of place, but Landa is a very talented climber with great recovery. You could turn your argument on its head and say that Landa did not want to hang with the main favourites on Sella, beacause it was either the stage or nothing and measuring out his efforts was a much more sensible strategy, so he didn't care about the GC contest.


Just in case you haven't noticed, very happy with the stage winner today :D

I gave him chapeaus, he really earned that win!

But comparisons to Pantani = NOT!
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
Oh for God's sake, the "Landa would have won" stuff is getting worse than the regular chorus of "Contador would have won". At least Contador has actually previously won the various races his devotees keep imagining him tearing up. Landa's career palmares to date consist of a small number of GT stages. I like the guy, but please God turn the hype dial down about four notches until he actually does something to earn it.
Landa would have won it if he didn't crash. :D

Unlike Quintana, he isn't afraid to take risks and attack from far out.
 
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WheelofGear said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Oh for God's sake, the "Landa would have won" stuff is getting worse than the regular chorus of "Contador would have won". At least Contador has actually previously won the various races his devotees keep imagining him tearing up. Landa's career palmares to date consist of a small number of GT stages. I like the guy, but please God turn the hype dial down about four notches until he actually does something to earn it.
Landa would have won it if he didn't crash. :D

Unlike Quintana, he isn't afraid to take risks and attack from far out.

I am sure that Landa would ride more like Quintana if he would be in a similar position.
 
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WheelofGear said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
Oh for God's sake, the "Landa would have won" stuff is getting worse than the regular chorus of "Contador would have won". At least Contador has actually previously won the various races his devotees keep imagining him tearing up. Landa's career palmares to date consist of a small number of GT stages. I like the guy, but please God turn the hype dial down about four notches until he actually does something to earn it.
Landa would have won it if he didn't crash. :D

Unlike Quintana, he isn't afraid to take risks and attack from far out.

And that's mostly why he is always out of contention from GC...
 
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RattaKuningas said:
I am sure that Landa would ride more like Quintana if he would be in a similar position.

huangho said:
WheelofGear said:
Unlike Quintana, he isn't afraid to take risks and attack from far out.

And that's mostly why he is always out of contention from GC...


In terms of the direction of the cause-effect relationship, RattaKuningas is definitely closest to the mark, because Landa's long range attacks come after becoming out of contention for the GC.
 
If Quintana tried to attack from afar like Landa has, you can be certain Nibali, Dumouli, Pinot and others would immediately give chase. In fact, in the times Quintana has tried to attack that wasn't in the last 5km of a stage, and there have been a few, isn't it safe to assume he was doing so in the hope to drop the others on GC, and ideally finish minutes ahead of them at the finish?

As to comparing Landa to Pantani, one could say these last couple days have been Pantani-like, but the comparison ends there to me.
 
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An awesome stage and now I'm gonna post a few pics from the start.
I had a bad hair day and there was a bit of wind, so my hair looks like a mess on some of the pictures. :D
A pic with Saronni:
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One with Ivan:
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One with Landa:
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And one with Winner:
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Tons of fans from various countries, a few Colombians, a few Basque fans who talked with Landa (one of them looked like Taxus, but I didn't talk with him) Amador's girlfriend was also there at the teambus, so he was the last one who went to the start.
 
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Mayomaniac said:
An awesome stage and now I'm gonna post a few pics from the start.
I had a bad hair day and there was a bit of wind, so my hair looks like a mess on some of the pictures. :D
A pic with Saronni:
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One with Ivan:
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One with Landa:
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And one with Winner:
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Tons of fans from various countries, a few Colombians, a few Basque fans who talked with Landa (one of them looked like Taxus, but I didn't talk with him) Amador's girlfriend was also there at the teambus, so he was the last one who went to the start.
What are you implying? :D

Nice pictures!
 
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Team Sky just casually walked into someone's backyard and put their rolls up right there, you can see Landa and Sebastian Henao on the rolls:
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Nario's bike:
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Anton's bike with the Basque flag:
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Thanks, I had a great time. There were many cycling fans for all around the world, many Austrian, Colombians, Aussies, Amador fans for Costa Rica and even a decent amount of Asian fans, that was a bit of a surprise.
I talked a bit with Grossschartner's family who came to the start to support him.
 
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starlord said:
Great pics, you look like Tobey Maguire's brother! With Landa's eyebrows. :)
Yeah, the eyebrow game is really strong on the picture with Landa. :D
When I was 15 I actually looked like Harry Potter, with the glasses and everything. :D
I had a great time, and the fact that Team Sky just walked into someone's backyard and put there rolls up right there was hillarious, the riders casually walked by the house and looked inside their living room through the windows.