Giro del Trentino 2012

[jens_attacks]

di luca btw not in good shape at all.

i will say he's in decent shape but betancur is above him with a few levels.

today he tried to follow pozzovivo,looked good at one point and then he cracked.at least i hope he can help tomorrow betancur.or maybe reda makes a surprise and flies with pozzovivo lol

how did you see rujano?personally,i was sad it seemed like one of those days when mercatone uno were chasing the peloton with pantani as leader.

will he attack tomorrow with pozzovivo?
i have a theory in which every climb steeper than 10% is not perfect for rujanito.he's a mini ullrich indeed,he's climbing with sheer power,not with magical cadence like lance,cobo or il killer from the good old days.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

rujano simply did a test in the final climb and rode away from most of the others. he is never interested in trentino gc. tomorrow we will se ehim test for sure. let';s hope he's mad because of today. also I saw he had lots of bandages over his el;bows. it seem he may be somewhat affected by the crash from sunday. he will ride trentino like he has always done. attack, attack and attack. however his level is higher currently then last year, but he's just as far out of shape and that's a good thing.

steep climbs are good for rujano because of his weight. but currently he's like 4 kg heavier than in topshape I assume. also becomes the problem of acquiring sugars in steep climbs. pozzovivo should win tomorrow. kreuziger is hard to say in such a climb and I think atapuma will do well. the climb is suited to him.

 

[will10]

Betancur ahead of Atapuma and Rujano tomorrow then

 

[Parrulo]

rujano simply did a test in the final climb and rode away from most of the others. he is never interested in trentino gc. tomorrow we will se ehim test for sure. let';s hope he's mad because of today. also I saw he had lots of bandages over his el;bows. it seem he may be somewhat affected by the crash from sunday. he will ride trentino like he has always done. attack, attack and attack. however his level is higher currently then last year, but he's just as far out of shape and that's a good thing.

steep climbs are good for rujano because of his weight. but currently he's like 4 kg heavier than in topshape I assume. also becomes the problem of acquiring sugars in steep climbs. pozzovivo should win tomorrow. kreuziger is hard to say in such a climb and I think atapuma will do well. the climb is suited to him.

he didn't look all that good on the zoncolan last year

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

he didn't look all that good on the zoncolan last year

But that was because he got a cold after the grossglocker day

 

[Parrulo]

But that was because he got a cold after the grossglocker day

i see what you did there

 

[Kvinto]

Betancur is in a great position for the GC. This years Trentino is very hard, especially tomorrow's stage and all his rivals have later goals so that for the likes of Kreuziger and Cunego there's no point of killing themselves two days before LBL while Giro guys shouldn't be in top form now, especially Scarponi who seemed to reach his best shape too early last year...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Betancur ahead of Atapuma and Rujano tomorrow then

betancourt seem amazing today but I don't know how well he goes on these steep walls. is hard to predict. betancourt isn't exatcly a lightweight climber

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he didn't look all that good on the zoncolan last year

he had a hungerflat and still only lost like 1:30. it was the day after grossglockner in which he suffered from the cold and got sick. he has problems getting sugars into his body after such days. few days later it was worse and he was even on anti biotics. that's why I always say if the giro is being raced in great weather rujano will be hard to stop

 

[Peccio89]

betancourt seem amazing today but I don't know how well he goes on these steep walls. is hard to predict. betancourt isn't exatcly a lightweight climber

well he did pretty well on San Luca last year, but that was shorter though.

I don't see Cunego to push at his best tomorrow in order to save energy for Liege. So from a GC point of view i see him better both of Cunego and Kreuzinger. Let's see if he can contain a Pozzovivo comeback on Punta Veleno

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

pozzovivo hopefully has not wasted too much energy today.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

does anyone know the gradients and lenght of the cimagrappa??

betancourt won baby giro there in 2010

1 Carlos Betancur (Col) Colombia National Team 4:53:03
2 Edward Beltran (Col) Colombia National Team 0:02:38
3 Gabriele Pizzaballa (Ita) Team Palazzago 0:02:50
4 Edoardo Zardini (Ita) Mantovani Cycling Fontana 0:03:20
5 Antonio Santoro (Ita) Mastromarco Chianti Sensi Benedetti 0:03:27
6 Alessio Marchetti (Ita) Casati Ngc Perrel A.S.D. 0:03:30
7 Alessandro Stocco (Ita) U.C. Trevigiani Dynamon Bottoli 0:03:36
8 Fabio Aru (Ita) Team Palazzago 0:04:02
9 Diego Zanco (Ita) G.S. Zalf Desiree Fior 0:04:27
10 Matteo Rabottini (Ita) Aran d'Angelo & Antenucci Cogem 0:04:32

from a different world he was there.

 

[will10]

Beltran - another rider I'd love to see in Europe again but has fallen under the spell of EPM....

 

[Parrulo]

there are several sides for the monte grappa.

this is the toughest one.

Italy > Veneto > Semonzo > Monte Grappa

Average: 8.1 %

Length: 19 km

 

[jens_attacks]

Betancur is in a great position for the GC. This years Trentino is very hard, especially tomorrow's stage and all his rivals have later goals so that for the likes of Kreuziger and Cunego there's no point of killing themselves two days before LBL while Giro guys shouldn't be in top form now, especially Scarponi who seemed to reach his best shape too early last year...

that's i'd like to happen.but on la bocchetta in l'appeninno at one point scarponi and pozzovivo were motoring so hard that betancur was in trouble.i hope it won't happen again tomorrow because i'm sure pozzovivo will go full-gas right from the bottom

you never know with cunego too,yes he's training for liege but you never know.
sella-serpa-rujano should go ballistic tomorrow

 

[Mellow Velo]

betancourt seem amazing today but I don't know how well he goes on these steep walls. is hard to predict. betancourt isn't exatcly a lightweight climber

It's hard to predict how anyone will go tomorrow, on that wall, at this point in the season and given the probability of very wet/cold conditions.
The Rujano-Pozzovivo types should benefit from the extreme gradients, but might suffer with the conditions.
May end up with a good grinder diesel having the edge.
Makes it kind of interesting.

 

[Duartista]

jezuz christ those guys suck so much i can't even watch.corti should bring reinforcements on august or whatever,it's embarassing by now.give them something to eat for christ sake.ok maybe atapuma did ok but i expect much more

It may be that some riders are simply unable to make it in Europe - but some have done better previously riding for CEP. Laverde and Chalapud for example were much better last season.

So maybe Corti and his staff are a big part of the problem.

 

[jens_attacks]

It may be that some riders are simply unable to make it in Europe - but some have done better previously riding for CEP. Laverde and Chalapud for example were much better last season.

So maybe Corti and his staff are a big part of the problem.

possible.again i'm so disappointed with them because i know they can do better.otherwise it would be ok,they are decent pro bike riders,riding at pro continental level,why bother?

at least 2013 should be better,they better learn especially chaves

 

[Duartista]

possible.again i'm so disappointed with them because i know they can do better.otherwise it would be ok,they are decent pro bike riders,riding at pro continental level,why bother?

at least 2013 should be better,they better learn especially chaves

Yeah. I still think Duarte and Atapuma will get some decent results sooner or later, but the rest are looking really bad. Chaves was OK in Brabantse Pijl last week, but struggled today. You'd expect him to be around the level of someone like Bardet, considering his age/experience.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Yeah. I still think Duarte and Atapuma will get some decent results sooner or later, but the rest are looking really bad. Chaves was OK in Brabantse Pijl last week, but struggled today. You'd expect him to be around the level of someone like Bardet, considering his age/experience.

Chaves' Avenir win was overrated. Bardet was better already back then. He just missed this one breakaway which decided the race (and where Chaves was in).

 

[Duartista]

Chaves' Avenir win was overrated. Bardet was better already back then. He just missed this one breakaway which decided the race (and where Chaves was in).

I know that - Bardet was with Quintana when they got held up at a level crossing on the Porrentruy stage. But Chaves was only 12 seconds behind Bardet on the Saleve stage, which is why I said 'around the same level'.

 

[hfer07]

It may be that some riders are simply unable to make it in Europe - but some have done better previously riding for CEP. Laverde and Chalapud for example were much better last season.

So maybe Corti and his staff are a big part of the problem.

Spot on!
I wrote about it a while ago & I stay firm to that believe: Its all about management-Corti has those issues going back to Barloworld when problems of this nature emerged constantly.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It may be that some riders are simply unable to make it in Europe - but some have done better previously riding for CEP. Laverde and Chalapud for example were much better last season.

So maybe Corti and his staff are a big part of the problem.

they all have past experience in europe and done a lot better. juan pablo suarez, maikol rodriguez (4th avenir), chavez(won avenir)

the staff isn't the problem. the decisions they have made are and they better act on them quickly or the entire team goes down the drain. clearly they are all empty except some rare talents like atapuma and duarte that on sheer class seem to have some level. but nowhere near what it's supposed to be

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Chaves' Avenir win was overrated. Bardet was better already back then. He just missed this one breakaway which decided the race (and where Chaves was in).

not true. chavez was like 12 seconds behind on saleve level. quintan and bardet were slightly better yes. especially quintana but were held up by train and quintana crashed too

 

[Mister A]

A lot of people seem very hostile to the Columbian team. Why is this? Do they habitually run over kittens or something?