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Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

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yaco said:
mikii4567 said:
yaco said:
Three ITT's in a Grand Tour - When did this last happen.
2016 Giro d'Italia :D
Unfortunately, having more than two ITTs is becoming less and less popular amongst organizers, though :(.

There were 2 ITT's in the 2016 Giro - Less TT's the better - They are the most boring spectacles and nearly worse than track cycling - TTT's are more interesting.

Pretty sure there were 3.
 
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BigMac said:
yaco said:
mikii4567 said:
yaco said:
Three ITT's in a Grand Tour - When did this last happen.
2016 Giro d'Italia :D
Unfortunately, having more than two ITTs is becoming less and less popular amongst organizers, though :(.

There were 2 ITT's in the 2016 Giro - Less TT's the better - They are the most boring spectacles and nearly worse than track cycling - TTT's are more interesting.

Pretty sure there were 3.
There were 3; Apeldoorn, Chianti stage and Alpe di Siusi.
 
If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?
 
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Kyllingen86 said:
If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?
hilly, sure. Very hilly, no. There are a few good short climbs in the area, and in general some tricky terrain, but nothing terrible. Something for stage hunters rather than gc people.
 
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Eshnar said:
Kyllingen86 said:
If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?
hilly, sure. Very hilly, no. There are a few good short climbs in the area, and in general some tricky terrain, but nothing terrible. Something for stage hunters rather than gc people.
This stage can be trickier that it seems. Rather no for GC action, but considering rather early placement and if the Sicily stages won't be particulary hard then it could be a good place to wrap up maglia rosa (question of seconds though). Sadly i have a personal problem with this stage as my Giro i'm working on ends here on propably the same route.

My stage (3rd and first with any notable hills) goes via Monte Sant Angelo, Foresta Umbra & Monte Pucci. Peschici is located on a hill and Gargano coastal hills tend to be steep. The hill i've chosen is a slightly narrow sideroad, which the name i don't know. This sideroad is short but very steep - 300m, >15%. It doesn't end here as in Peschici Via Garibaldi, Via Malacera and Via Monte Santo are still uphill, but not as steep. My finish is on Via Monte Santo. As a whole this hill is roughly 1,6km @ 6,5% but with max. definitely over 15%. Sadly i couldn't use very steep (>15%) Via di Vagno as it doesn't really cooperate with my choice of finish. Still, i'm not sure where exactly my finish will be so it may change.

If Giro will decide to go with such stage and similar design then i can allways change my own stage to end in Vieste, but the terrain in Vieste is much more flatter. Sadlty, there's one problem with such stage - it goes via the Gargano national park so the access to the area might be limited which could force Giro to use the beautiful coastal ride via Vieste and Testa del Gargano. Then it would result in only slightly hill stage with a possible HTF in Peschici. I guess the start of such stage could be in either Trani, Bisceglie or Andria. The stage then could be around 180km long.

EDIT:
Actually, there were at least three finishes in Giro. First in 2000 won by di Luca, then in 2006 won by Pellizotti and last one in 2008 won by Matteo Priamo. The 2006 stage went mostly like mine, but with easier finale while the 2008 stage went coastal via Vieste and was flatter.
 
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Eshnar said:
Nirvana said:
This doesn't say much, likely they just copy-pasted info from the web...
Since the Giro organization apparently loves hilly time trials through vine yards. Wouldn't it be much more logical if they include a long time trial through the vine yards of South Tyrol after the Stilfser Joch stage, - maybe with a transition stage to Meran or Bozen beforehand/afterwards - before a hard first Dolomites stage with Fedaia + Pordoi mtf (maybe even Reiterjoch north and some col from the Rosengarten Gruppe to make it a stage for long range attacks) and a mtf at the Drei Zinnen / Auronzohütte coming from Toblach (which offers a wide variety of passes beforehand hand. Either hard ones like Kreuztal, Würzjoch, Furkelsattel etc. or some smaller cols around the area of the Pragser Wildsee if my geographische knowledge of that area ain't totally wrong). That was something I thought about yesterday and wanted to ask if it sounds kinda logical or just like a weird dream idea.
 
Rumoured route updated. I'll go for two stages in Sicily. The ITT will very likely be in Umbria. Sometime ago a TT from Foligno to Montefalco was rumoured, and recently the rumour has come back to life, so I'll put it in. They are very close to each other, so it doesn't say much about the nature of the route.

1 Alghero - Olbia *****
2 Olbia - Tormoli' *****
3 Tormoli' - Cagliari *****
rest
4 Milazzo - Messina ****
5 Messina - Catania ***
6 ??? - Terme Luigiane ***
7 Terme Luigiane? - Alberobello ****
8 Molfetta - Peschici ****
9 ??? - Terminillo OR Gran Sasso (Campo Imperatore) ***
rest
10 Foligno - Montefalco ITT? ***
11 Gualdo Tadino - Bagno di Romagna ****
12 Forli' - Reggio Emilia ****
13 Reggio Emilia? - Tortona ****
14 Castellania - Oropa ****
15 Andorno - Bergamo ****
rest
16 ??? - Stelvio ****
17 ??? - Piancavallo ****
18 Pordenone - Treviso? **
19 Sedico - Tre Cime OR Val Gardena OR Kronplatz ***
20 ??? - Pordoi ****
21 Venezia ITT? ***
 
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Brullnux said:
Eshnar said:
Brullnux said:
Terme Luigiane to Alborello would be quite the trek. Minimum more than 210km, and that would create such a disappointing flat stage
it will be flat, no questions. Only hope would be wind on the coast.
Golfo di Taranto is quite protected though, isn't it?
if the wind comes from south-east, it is actually exposed.
 
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mikii4567 said:
Eshnar said:
Apparently Beppe Conti talked about sterrato in the stage to Peschici.

Is there even that much good and raceable sterrato down there? I though that was Tuscany?
There is sterrato pretty much anywhere in Italy. If it's raceable or not, I can't tell. But that stage could very well come on a weekend, so having sterrato would actually make quite a lot of sense.