Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[yaco]

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Three ITT's in a Grand Tour - When did this last happen.

2016 Giro d'Italia
Unfortunately, having more than two ITTs is becoming less and less popular amongst organizers, though .

There were 2 ITT's in the 2016 Giro - Less TT's the better - They are the most boring spectacles and nearly worse than track cycling - TTT's are more interesting.

 

[BigMac]

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Three ITT's in a Grand Tour - When did this last happen.

2016 Giro d'Italia
Unfortunately, having more than two ITTs is becoming less and less popular amongst organizers, though .

There were 2 ITT's in the 2016 Giro - Less TT's the better - They are the most boring spectacles and nearly worse than track cycling - TTT's are more interesting.

Pretty sure there were 3.

 

[mikii4567]

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Three ITT's in a Grand Tour - When did this last happen.

2016 Giro d'Italia
Unfortunately, having more than two ITTs is becoming less and less popular amongst organizers, though .

There were 2 ITT's in the 2016 Giro - Less TT's the better - They are the most boring spectacles and nearly worse than track cycling - TTT's are more interesting.

Pretty sure there were 3.

There were 3; Apeldoorn, Chianti stage and Alpe di Siusi.

 

[Red Rick]

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This Pordoi stage had better happen. It has been five years without Fedaia.

Fedaia!

We have an imposter. You missed a few !!!!!!

 

[Nirvana]

This confirms three stages in Sicily if Taormina could be stage five or six.
http://www.blogtaormina.it/2016/09/22/giro-ditalia-taormina-10-11-maggio-g7-frena/230005

 

[Kyllingen86]

If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?

 

[Eshnar]

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If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?

hilly, sure. Very hilly, no. There are a few good short climbs in the area, and in general some tricky terrain, but nothing terrible. Something for stage hunters rather than gc people.

 

[Nirvana]

Monte Sant'Angelo is circa 10 km long, not very hard but a proper climb, the problem is that if they come from south (Molfetta or Alberobello as rumored) will be all flat for 100/150 kms along the Tavoliere.

 

[Nirvana]

Piancavallo seems confirmed but at the end of second week or at the beginning of third (Zoncolan planned for 2018)
http://messaggeroveneto.gelocal.it/sport/2016/09/23/news/giro-d-italia-2017-le-anticipazioni-1.14141883

New rumors about the Franciacorta TT
https://rovato.org/2016/09/23/giro-ditalia-2017-la-cronometro-dei-vini-in-franciacorta/

 

[Eshnar]

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New rumors about the Franciacorta TT
https://rovato.org/2016/09/23/giro-ditalia-2017-la-cronometro-dei-vini-in-franciacorta/

This doesn't say much, likely they just copy-pasted info from the web...

 

[railxmig]

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If they really use up three days on Sicily I would prefer they don't center all three stages around Messina. Especially if they don't even include Mount Etna.

Sicily is a beautiful place but two stages should be enough.

I don't know much about the area around the gargano peninsula. Can we expect the rumoured stage to Peschici to be very hilly?

hilly, sure. Very hilly, no. There are a few good short climbs in the area, and in general some tricky terrain, but nothing terrible. Something for stage hunters rather than gc people.

This stage can be trickier that it seems. Rather no for GC action, but considering rather early placement and if the Sicily stages won't be particulary hard then it could be a good place to wrap up maglia rosa (question of seconds though). Sadly i have a personal problem with this stage as my Giro i'm working on ends here on propably the same route.

My stage (3rd and first with any notable hills) goes via Monte Sant Angelo, Foresta Umbra & Monte Pucci. Peschici is located on a hill and Gargano coastal hills tend to be steep. The hill i've chosen is a slightly narrow sideroad, which the name i don't know. This sideroad is short but very steep - 300m, >15%. It doesn't end here as in Peschici Via Garibaldi, Via Malacera and Via Monte Santo are still uphill, but not as steep. My finish is on Via Monte Santo. As a whole this hill is roughly 1,6km @ 6,5% but with max. definitely over 15%. Sadly i couldn't use very steep (>15%) Via di Vagno as it doesn't really cooperate with my choice of finish. Still, i'm not sure where exactly my finish will be so it may change.

If Giro will decide to go with such stage and similar design then i can allways change my own stage to end in Vieste, but the terrain in Vieste is much more flatter. Sadlty, there's one problem with such stage - it goes via the Gargano national park so the access to the area might be limited which could force Giro to use the beautiful coastal ride via Vieste and Testa del Gargano. Then it would result in only slightly hill stage with a possible HTF in Peschici. I guess the start of such stage could be in either Trani, Bisceglie or Andria. The stage then could be around 180km long.

EDIT:
Actually, there were at least three finishes in Giro. First in 2000 won by di Luca, then in 2006 won by Pellizotti and last one in 2008 won by Matteo Priamo. The 2006 stage went mostly like mine, but with easier finale while the 2008 stage went coastal via Vieste and was flatter.

 

[staubsauger]

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New rumors about the Franciacorta TT
https://rovato.org/2016/09/23/giro-ditalia-2017-la-cronometro-dei-vini-in-franciacorta/

This doesn't say much, likely they just copy-pasted info from the web...

Since the Giro organization apparently loves hilly time trials through vine yards. Wouldn't it be much more logical if they include a long time trial through the vine yards of South Tyrol after the Stilfser Joch stage, - maybe with a transition stage to Meran or Bozen beforehand/afterwards - before a hard first Dolomites stage with Fedaia + Pordoi mtf (maybe even Reiterjoch north and some col from the Rosengarten Gruppe to make it a stage for long range attacks) and a mtf at the Drei Zinnen / Auronzohütte coming from Toblach (which offers a wide variety of passes beforehand hand. Either hard ones like Kreuztal, Würzjoch, Furkelsattel etc. or some smaller cols around the area of the Pragser Wildsee if my geographische knowledge of that area ain't totally wrong). That was something I thought about yesterday and wanted to ask if it sounds kinda logical or just like a weird dream idea.

 

[Eshnar]

there is definitely no room for another stage in the third week. Stelvio, Piancavallo, one flat in Veneto, Pordoi and another Dolomite stage. No space at all. Also, I'm not a big fan of third week ITTs...

 

[Red Rick]

With all the mountains the TT better be 50km + and not too technical. It's not like Froome is riding anyway

 

[Eshnar]

Rumoured route updated. I'll go for two stages in Sicily. The ITT will very likely be in Umbria. Sometime ago a TT from Foligno to Montefalco was rumoured, and recently the rumour has come back to life, so I'll put it in. They are very close to each other, so it doesn't say much about the nature of the route.

1 Alghero - Olbia *****
2 Olbia - Tormoli' *****
3 Tormoli' - Cagliari *****
rest
4 Milazzo - Messina ****
5 Messina - Catania ***
6 ??? - Terme Luigiane ***
7 Terme Luigiane? - Alberobello ****
8 Molfetta - Peschici ****
9 ??? - Terminillo OR Gran Sasso (Campo Imperatore) ***
rest
10 Foligno - Montefalco ITT? ***
11 Gualdo Tadino - Bagno di Romagna ****
12 Forli' - Reggio Emilia ****
13 Reggio Emilia? - Tortona ****
14 Castellania - Oropa ****
15 Andorno - Bergamo ****
rest
16 ??? - Stelvio ****
17 ??? - Piancavallo ****
18 Pordenone - Treviso? **
19 Sedico - Tre Cime OR Val Gardena OR Kronplatz ***
20 ??? - Pordoi ****
21 Venezia ITT? ***

 

[Brullnux]

Terme Luigiane to Alborello would be quite the trek. Minimum more than 210km, and that would create such a disappointing flat stage

 

[Eshnar]

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Terme Luigiane to Alborello would be quite the trek. Minimum more than 210km, and that would create such a disappointing flat stage

it will be flat, no questions. Only hope would be wind on the coast.

 

[Brullnux]

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Terme Luigiane to Alborello would be quite the trek. Minimum more than 210km, and that would create such a disappointing flat stage

it will be flat, no questions. Only hope would be wind on the coast.

Golfo di Taranto is quite protected though, isn't it?

 

[Eshnar]

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Terme Luigiane to Alborello would be quite the trek. Minimum more than 210km, and that would create such a disappointing flat stage

it will be flat, no questions. Only hope would be wind on the coast.

Golfo di Taranto is quite protected though, isn't it?

if the wind comes from south-east, it is actually exposed.

 

[Nirvana]

Here they hint Campania after Calabria, this is what i hope to prevent the all flat borefest from Calabria to Alberobello/Molfetta, and starting from Campania the eventual stage to Peschici could feature some appenninic climb in the first half before Gargano.
http://www.cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/giro-2017/giro-d-italia-2017-le-anticipazioni-sul-percorso

 

[Eshnar]

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Here they hint Campania after Calabria, this is what i hope to prevent the all flat borefest from Calabria to Alberobello/Molfetta, and starting from Campania the eventual stage to Peschici could feature some appenninic climb in the first half before Gargano.
http://www.cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/giro-2017/giro-d-italia-2017-le-anticipazioni-sul-percorso

There have been zero rumours about Campania. Absolutely none. No clue what is their source.

 

[Nirvana]

Last year i remember reports that Montevergine, initially planned for 2016, was skipped to 2017 due to logistic problems. But i've never heard anything more after this.

 

[Eshnar]

Apparently Beppe Conti talked about sterrato in the stage to Peschici.

 

[mikii4567]

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Apparently Beppe Conti talked about sterrato in the stage to Peschici.

Is there even that much good and raceable sterrato down there? I though that was Tuscany?

 

[Eshnar]

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Apparently Beppe Conti talked about sterrato in the stage to Peschici.

Is there even that much good and raceable sterrato down there? I though that was Tuscany?

There is sterrato pretty much anywhere in Italy. If it's raceable or not, I can't tell. But that stage could very well come on a weekend, so having sterrato would actually make quite a lot of sense.