Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[Libertine Seguros]

I might actually prefer Stelvio from Bormio then Umbrailpass from Val Müstair, simply as I can't see anything but Stelvio being the Cima Coppi, so having the Cima Coppi NOT be the final climb of the day but in fact 80km out but with the scary Swiss side of Umbrailpass to come it could make for a hell of a stage. I think if they do do the stage as shown, they might do the little ramp around the town loop that they did in 2004 after Gavia but before the Bormio 2000 climb as well, just to have a final chance for a small group to duke it out if they come together on the descent again (it's between around km 100 and 110 on this profile - either direction).

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm surprised the rumors hint at a downhill finish. If they first ride the Umbrailpass a mtf on the stelvio would make even more sense than it would do anyway since they don't have to use one street for a climb and for a descent. I definitely prefer the finish in Bormio though.

 

[Eshnar]

I'm surprised the rumors hint at a downhill finish. If they first ride the Umbrailpass a mtf on the stelvio would make even more sense than it would do anyway since they don't have to use one street for a climb and for a descent. I definitely prefer the finish in Bormio though.

Valtellina is paying for the finish, so it must be on their side. Either Stelvio from Bormio or Bormio itself.

Anyway, back to the rumours.
Today a local newspaper points at May 13 for the stage to Peschici. This fits as stage 8, so it basically confirms the two stages in Sicily. It also confirms that they have only one stage to reach Terminillo, which is very tricky. The only solution I would suggest is that maybe stage 7 starts from somewhere in Campania, so that they're in and we can leave Lazio out.
Aosta and Liguria are 100% out, while also one between Tuscany and Marche will be (one of them will be included in the stage to Bagno di Romagna, probably Tuscany).

1 Alghero - Olbia *****
2 Olbia - Tormoli' *****
3 Tormoli' - Cagliari *****
rest
4 Milazzo - Messina ****
5 Messina - Catania ***
6 ??? - Terme Luigiane ***
7 Terme Luigiane?Sapri? - Alberobello ****
8 Molfetta - Peschici ****
9 Somewhere in Molise - Terminillo OR Gran Sasso (Campo Imperatore) ***
rest
10 Foligno - Montefalco ITT? ***
11 Gualdo Tadino - Bagno di Romagna ****
12 Forli' - Reggio Emilia ****
13 Reggio Emilia? - Tortona ****
14 Castellania - Oropa ****
15 Andorno - Bergamo ****
rest
16 Rovetta - Bormio OR Stelvio ****
17 Tirano - Feltre? **
18 Sedico? - Piancavallo ****
19 Pordenone - Tre Cime OR Val Gardena OR Kronplatz ***
20 S.Candido? - Pordoi ****
21 Venezia ITT? ***

 

[Eshnar]

there are big news... for the love of God, Libertine, sit down before reading this.

Ready? ok.

A newspaper in Veneto claimed that the last week (after the Stelvio stage) will be:

17 Tirano - Canazei (probably a breakaway stage... I do not think they would climb you-know-what)
18 Moena - Ortisei (Pordoi - Valparola - Erbe - Gardena, similar to 2005)
19 Selva - Piancavallo (... ...)
20 Pordenone - Asiago (Monte Grappa from Seren, Foza from Valstagna)

It wouldn't be bad without Piancavallo... but like this...

 

[Gigs_98]

Eshnar stop joking, because this obviously can't be the real route for the 100th giro.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

 

[Eshnar]

Eshnar stop joking, because this obviously can't be the real route for the 100th giro.

hope so too

 

[Gigs_98]

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I wanted to laugh about this but started to cry.

 

[jens_attacks]

it looks pretty bad so yep, it's probably true.

 

[pastronef]

I admit my guilty ignorance about the eastern Alps and Dolomites.
what´s bad and what are we hoping for?

 

[Stromeon]

It looks weird, not really in a good way I think; presumably they would approach Canazei from the south which would mean they'd just repeat that stretch of road from Moena to Canazei the next day. And then setting off for Piancavallo from Selva would entail some repeating of the stuff they'd already done the day before. Just seems a little muddled to me. Ortisei after Erbe is a pretty meh finish, a lot worse than the Fedaia-Pordoi we've been hoping for. But the Asiago finish on stage 20 would be very interesting if it's still close - a bit of flat after the final climb but no descent.

 

[Eshnar]

I admit my guilty ignorance about the eastern Alps and Dolomites.
what´s bad and what are we hoping for?

well, first of all it is bad that there's no Fedaia-Pordoi anymore.
secondly. Erbe-Ortisei is not bad per se, but with Piancavallo the following day will be at risk. because people won't have a big incentive to risk it all on the Erbe... and if they don't, Ortisei isn't much of a climb.

The last stage could be ok, but I do hope they put something good before the Grappa, it's the kind of stage that needs a good breakaway.

 

[Red Rick]

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Rip those kittens, babies, bibles and qurans I guess

 

[Gigs_98]

I admit my guilty ignorance about the eastern Alps and Dolomites.
what´s bad and what are we hoping for?

Stage 16: If they really have a descent finish in Bormio after the Mortirolo and the Umbrail I think everyone would be fine with it. 100% the kind of stage one would expect in the 100th giro but unfortunately it's the only one.

Stage 17: Finishing in Canazei without using Fedaia would be a strange decision. Like if they would have finished in Culoz in the tdf this year without using the grand colombiere. However they also can't make 4 mountain stages in a row so they basically have to make it a breakaway stage which wouldn't be a problem if they would use Fedaia later, which isn't the case.

18: This could be a very good stage, but just not what one would expect in the 100th giro. There are so many better mtf's in this area than Ortisei, because in this case we have a not very famous mtf after a flat section which will probably kill any early action + there is a stage in the dolomites which uses hardly any famous climb of the dolomites.

19: Again a mtf without any giro history and no good climbs you could put before it. It would be okay in a normal giro but in the 100th giro it's just a huge letdown.

20: Again I think the last climb doesn't really have giro history and again there is a flat section before the last climb. At least this time the penultimate climb is a more famous one, but I don't really like the Monte Grappa from the north and it's still not the kind of climb I expected in the last mountain stage of the 100th giro.

 

[Kyllingen86]

Instead of sitting down I went one further - to lie down while reading it.

Where did Passo Fedaia go?

If not careful next year could be one of those very rare years where the Giro-route might actually be more boring than TD... (you know - the forbidden race)

 

[Eshnar]

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If not careful next year could be one of those very rare years where the Giro-route might actually be more boring than TD... (you know - the forbidden race)

nah this route is a joke from the 100th Giro perspective, but as a route itself it is still kinda ok (still need to know how much TT there is though, as well as the medium mountain stages)

 

[Kyllingen86]

Yeah I know a lot of details is yet to be revealed.

However I feel like they are trying to make an interesting route perhaps not to hard in order to appeal to some of the big GC contenders usually skipping the Giro.

For an instance a come and get me plea to Contador - Here is your chance of succeding in that famous Giro-Tour double dream

I think Alberto Contador should skip the Tour and race the Giro instead. Sure he was unlucky this year but honestly I don't think he can beat Froome nor Quintana anymore. It's better to fight it out with Nibali and Aru in the Giro and just maybe finish on a high note.

A weaker route would also be enticing for Bardet and Pinot. They can compete in the Giro and still make something out of the Tour. Unfortunately I feel a frightening route would scare of the big non-italian riders.

For now there are 23 days to go...

 

[mikii4567]

So basically after a really cool stage (if we get Stelvio from Prato + descent into Bormio) we get 4 really bad (I'm trying to stay calm) stages. Thanks RCS, hope this isn't true.

 

[Eshnar]

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Yeah I know a lot of details is yet to be revealed.

However I feel like they are trying to make an interesting route perhaps not to hard in order to appeal to some of the big GC contenders usually skipping the Giro.

For an instance a come and get me plea to Contador - Here is your chance of succeding in that famous Giro-Tour double dream

I think Alberto Contador should skip the Tour and race the Giro instead. Sure he was unlucky this year but honestly I don't think he can beat Froome nor Quintana anymore. It's better to fight it out with Nibali and Aru in the Giro and just maybe finish on a high note.

A weaker route would also be enticing for Bardet and Pinot. They can compete in the Giro and still make something out of the Tour. Unfortunately I feel a frightening route would scare of the big non-italian riders.

For now there are 23 days to go...

there is nothing weak about this route. The Stelvio stage alone will be the harder stage of the year. This *** about the weaker Giro to attract people is just PR that goes on since 2012.

 

[roundabout]

I admit my guilty ignorance about the eastern Alps and Dolomites.
what´s bad and what are we hoping for?

Stage 16: If they really have a descent finish in Bormio after the Mortirolo and the Umbrail I think everyone would be fine with it. 100% the kind of stage one would expect in the 100th giro but unfortunately it's the only one.

Stage 17: Finishing in Canazei without using Fedaia would be a strange decision. Like if they would have finished in Culoz in the tdf this year without using the grand colombiere. However they also can't make 4 mountain stages in a row so they basically have to make it a breakaway stage which wouldn't be a problem if they would use Fedaia later, which isn't the case.

18: This could be a very good stage, but just not what one would expect in the 100th giro. There are so many better mtf's in this area than Ortisei, because in this case we have a not very famous mtf after a flat section which will probably kill any early action + there is a stage in the dolomites which uses hardly any famous climb of the dolomites.

19: Again a mtf without any giro history and no good climbs you could put before it. It would be okay in a normal giro but in the 100th giro it's just a huge letdown.

20: Again I think the last climb doesn't really have giro history and again there is a flat section before the last climb. At least this time the penultimate climb is a more famous one, but I don't really like the Monte Grappa from the north and it's still not the kind of climb I expected in the last mountain stage of the 100th giro.

Piancavallo was a stage finish in 1998.

May have been the first climb in the Gardeccia stage in 2011 as well.

 

[Kyllingen86]

Eshnar@

If you say so

Right not I am fuming in disappointment but it will probably help to see the stage profiles when officially announced

I originally hoped for Fedaia, Zoncolan, Gavia, Giau, Tre Cime, Mortirolo and dreamed of Crostis as well. In that sense with only Mortirolo to become a reality - and only used as a first mountain, I am sure you can understand my current disappointment

 

[mikii4567]

Piancavallo was a stage finish in 1998.

May have been the first climb in the Gardeccia stage in 2011 as well.

That's two. Tre Cime's been used seven times, Pordoi's been used 37 times, the Giau's also been used numerous times. There are climbs with way more history than Piancavallo.

 

[Eshnar]

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Eshnar@

If you say so

Right not I am fuming in disappointment but it will probably help to see the stage profiles when officially announced

I originally hoped for Fedaia, Zoncolan, Gavia, Giau, Tre Cime, Mortirolo and dreamed of Crostis as well. In that sense with only Mortirolo to become a reality - and only used as a first mountain, I am sure you can understand my current disappointment

as I said, it IS a joke as a 100th Giro.
As "a" Giro, it should be fine.

 

[Red Rick]

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Eshnar@

If you say so

Right not I am fuming in disappointment but it will probably help to see the stage profiles when officially announced

I originally hoped for Fedaia, Zoncolan, Gavia, Giau, Tre Cime, Mortirolo and dreamed of Crostis as well. In that sense with only Mortirolo to become a reality - and only used as a first mountain, I am sure you can understand my current disappointment

as I said, it IS a joke as a 100th Giro.
As "a" Giro, it should be fine.

Seems backloaded as ***, even for a normal Giro

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Re:

Eshnar@

If you say so

Right not I am fuming in disappointment but it will probably help to see the stage profiles when officially announced

I originally hoped for Fedaia, Zoncolan, Gavia, Giau, Tre Cime, Mortirolo and dreamed of Crostis as well. In that sense with only Mortirolo to become a reality - and only used as a first mountain, I am sure you can understand my current disappointment

as I said, it IS a joke as a 100th Giro.
As "a" Giro, it should be fine.

Seems backloaded as ****, even for a normal Giro

as much as 2015, 2014 and 2012 I'd say. I do like that the hard MTFs are not 6-7 as it was rumoured earlier. And having the queen stage as stage 16 should help. I hope.