Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[Brullnux]

Having Fedaia Pordoi as stage 20 would've been frankly almost unforgettable. A stage to Asiago is decidedly average. Doesn't look good. Ofc, this may just be a random rumour that is then disproved

 

[Red Rick]

2015 wasn't that backloaded, it had MTF's on stage 5 and 8 and like 4 super hard medium mountain stages and a 60km TT in the first two weeks. The most anticipated stage was stage 16. I agree that 2012 was ridiculous were both travesty of routes. 2012 just piled all GC relevant stages in the last 7/8 stages, while 2014 was just no stage design, just cramming in 7 MTF's that would be HC in the Tour

 

[mikii4567]

20 Pordenone - Asiago (Monte Grappa from Seren, Foza from Valstagna)(

This is probably the best stage I could design...

And it's probably the worst stage I've ever designed

 

[Eshnar]

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20 Pordenone - Asiago (Monte Grappa from Seren, Foza from Valstagna)(

This is probably the best stage I could design...

And it's probably the worst stage I've ever designed

Grappa from Seren, not from Feltre.

 

[mikii4567]

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Grappa from Seren, not from Feltre.

That is from Seren. My stage passes through Feltre before Croce d'Aune.

 

[Eshnar]

Like this... although rumours don't mention anything before the Grappa...

The Grappa from Seren is a secondary road that features 2-3 km at 14% or so.

 

[Red Rick]

That stage really stands and falls with how hard that side of the Monte Grappa is imo, though giving them a decent climb or two before it wouldn't hurt.

Edit, I think that just doesn't cut it. Not to mention that if it doesn't happen on Grappa then you're in for a snorefest for the rest of the stage

 

[mikii4567]

Either way, it's much worse than Fedaia+Pordoi (+Giau/Falzarego probably before that, depending on the start)

 

[Eshnar]

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Either way, it's much worse than Fedaia+Pordoi (+Giau/Falzarego probably before that, depending on the start)

no doubt. But it's still not bad.

 

[Valv.Piti]

How would the Ortisei-stage look? No epic dolomite stage?

 

[roundabout]

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How would the Ortisei-stage look? No epic dolomite stage?

The last 100km should probably be about the same as on the 2005 stage

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2005//giro05/?id=stages/giro0513

Edit: or maybe Falzarego/Valparola before Erbe

 

[Gigs_98]

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Either way, it's much worse than Fedaia+Pordoi (+Giau/Falzarego probably before that, depending on the start)

no doubt. But it's still not bad.

I honestly think it's bad. This race would have 4 mountain stages in the last week and every single of them has flat before the last climb. The only stage probably in the whole race where something could happen on the penultimate climb is the Monte Grappa stage because it's the last mountain stage, but even that stage is really bad. This harder side you posted, is surely better than the side mikii posted but it still only has 2 really difficult kilometers but they are 13 kilometers away from the top of the climb and if I calculated correctly around 77 kilometers away from the finish. How likely is a scenario in which someone attacks there?
This is more and more looking like 2014 level to me.

 

[Eshnar]

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How would the Ortisei-stage look? No epic dolomite stage?

There are multiple options for the final, since it depends a lot on which descent of the Erbe (and the start of Gardena) they choose. Something like this for example, would eliminate the valley between the last two climbs.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Okay, thats pretty underwhelming. Not really many chances for long range on that stage..
Piancavallo is basically just a solo MTF, aight?

Eshnar: I'd prefer the other finish, chances of something happening before Ortesei with 2 hard stages afterwards?

 

[Eshnar]

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Okay, thats pretty underwhelming. Not really many chances for long range on that stage..
Piancavallo is basically just a solo MTF, aight?

Eshnar: I'd prefer the other finish, chances of something happening before Ortesei with 2 hard stages afterwards?

there's no other way to make a finish in Ortisei interesting. The Gardena is not better than Montevergine, whatever road you pick. At least with that there is the possibility to attack on the Erbe.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its very high risk tho. As a stage 20, it would surely be better, but Erbe is not overly hard

 

[Eshnar]

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Its very high risk tho. As a stage 20, it would surely be better, but Erbe is not overly hard

still pretty steep.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Oh yeah, the average deceived me. Well, you are at least guaranteed action on the regular MTF... but that could work I guess. But the riders will really need to want to make the race with 45 km from the top with Piancavallo MTF on stage 19 and Grappa on 20.

 

[roundabout]

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Okay, thats pretty underwhelming. Not really many chances for long range on that stage..
Piancavallo is basically just a solo MTF, aight?

Eshnar: I'd prefer the other finish, chances of something happening before Ortesei with 2 hard stages afterwards?

there's no other way to make a finish in Ortisei interesting. The Gardena is not better than Montevergine, whatever road you pick. At least with that there is the possibility to attack on the Erbe.

There is a section of about 3km at about 10% average if the road used in 2005 is repeated

 

[Valv.Piti]

But the big question really is who reliable those rumours are... are they really preferring those 2 stages over Tre Cime and Pordoi + Fedaia? Hmm.

 

[Eshnar]

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There is a section of about 3km at about 10% average if the road used in 2005 is repeated

true, at 3 kms to go. Hardly interesting.

I'd say the best possibility would be this, but I find unlikely they will use the Pinei instead of Gardena, since supposedly is Valgardena that pays for the stage.

 

[Arredondo]

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How would the Ortisei-stage look? No epic dolomite stage?

There are multiple options for the final, since it depends a lot on which descent of the Erbe (and the start of Gardena) they choose. Something like this for example, would eliminate the valley between the last two climbs.

Maybe the fact Ortisei is a way too easy climb to make any significant gaps, will help creating attacks already on Valparola. But the valley between Valparolo and bottom of Erbe is long: maybe too long. The only possibilty to create a sustaining attack is sending up teammates on the road, like Orica did in La Vuelta this year.

It's a stage which can be interesting tactic wise. But the riders have to make a big effort to make this stage hard and interesting.

 

[May0maniac]

Oh dear, that Ortisei stage right before Pancavallo is really bad, Passo delle Erbe/Würzjoch is one of my favourit climbs, but having that kind of stage right before a hard MTF, hell no!
Stage 20 could somehow work, but I'd rather go full Zomegnan and climbMonte Grappa from Possagno on the Strada degli Alpini.

 

[Gigs_98]

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How would the Ortisei-stage look? No epic dolomite stage?

There are multiple options for the final, since it depends a lot on which descent of the Erbe (and the start of Gardena) they choose. Something like this for example, would eliminate the valley between the last two climbs.

Maybe the fact Ortisei is a way too easy climb to make any significant gaps, will help creating attacks already on Valparola. But the valley between Valparolo and bottom of Erbe is long: maybe too long. The only possibilty to create a sustaining attack is sending up teammates on the road, like Orica did in La Vuelta this year.

It's a stage which can be interesting tactic wise. But the riders have to make a big effort to make this stage hard and interesting.

Which is not going to happen with two more mountain stages and possibly even an ITT on the following days.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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Rip those kittens, babies, bibles and qurans I guess

This is the essence of the forum right here.

And the comment about the forbidden race

But let's all hope for LS' sake that he gets his Fedaia into the 100th giro.

And let's look on the bright side. All in Italy, so no 'forbidden' climbs, and even if they decide to do a backflip and enter France, at least we know that due to geographical positioning, that there is NO CHANCE to ever see the TOURMALET in the GIRO.