Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 16: Trento – Rovereto 34.2 km ITT

[Netserk]

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When has there ever been a tough mountain stage in the first half of the race?

Last I can remember is the stage to Abetone in 2000.

It certainly had a hard climb and made proper gaps, but overall I'm not sure I'd classify it as a tough mountain stage.

It has, I guess, just under 3000m of vertical gain. Not much.

The 2011 Etna stage had more vertical gain, but obviously not as hard a climb.

 

[search]

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fyi just realized Campenaerts is still in this race and he saved himself every day. And then I noticed Tony Martin being dead last yesterday, probably saved himself as well.

Might not be for Dumoulin or Dennis then.

Campenaerts yes, Martin I very much doubt. I don't think it's a case of saving energy for him, I just think he's become a terrible bike rider. When was his good TT even? I for one can't recall it.

you're joking, aren't you?! His time trialing may not be as good as anymore a couple of years ago, but he surely does not finish minutes behind the grupetto because he's such a terrible bike rider. Him and Dowsett lost as much time as possible to get an earlier starting spot

I'm not joking, the word terrible is just relative. His fall off has been immense, and he comes nowhere near his old self. I haven't checked and this is purely by memory, but I think his last victory in a time trial, or victory per se, was in a German championship beating 53 y/o Teutenberg.

Could be. That still doesn't mean that he gets dropped by Guiseppe Fonzi and friends in a medium mountain stage, who (purely by memory) never achieved a Top 10 at all in their career.

 

[May0maniac]

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When has there ever been a tough mountain stage in the first half of the race?

Last I can remember is the stage to Abetone in 2000.

It certainly had a hard climb and made proper gaps, but overall I'm not sure I'd classify it as a tough mountain stage.

It has, I guess, just under 3000m of vertical gain. Not much.

The 2011 Etna stage had more vertical gain, but obviously not as hard a climb.

Maybe stage 8 of the 1995 Giro?

Not the hardest MTF, but at least 4,400-4,500m of altitude gain.

 

[Eshnar]

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It certainly had a hard climb and made proper gaps, but overall I'm not sure I'd classify it as a tough mountain stage.

Possibly one of the 10 hardest climbs in Giro history...

 

[shalgo]

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I'm not joking, the word terrible is just relative. His fall off has been immense, and he comes nowhere near his old self. I haven't checked and this is purely by memory, but I think his last victory in a time trial, or victory per se, was in a German championship beating 53 y/o Teutenberg.

As I mention farther up in the thread, the last time Martin even participated in a long, flat TT (other than that German championship) was the 2016 World Championships, which he won. He has certainly been weak in shorter time trials over the last year, but we don't really know what he can do in a longer one these days.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Does anyone know if there's a place online that has full broadcast or at least the final hour or so for each stage? I won't be able to watch tomorrow's stage live and am wondering if I should avoid spoilers and watch the stage later, but I haven't found anything longer than a few minutes on youtube.
Also I thought Eurosport had a replay of the day's stage later in the evening but I can't seem to find any information about that now.

Ya eurosport player has replays. Just scroll down the days schedule to whatever time the giro was on live, and it should still be available to click on and play from start to finish.

Unfortunately I don't have the player .. maybe I should consider investing. Thanks anyway!

Does anyone know if there's a place online that has full broadcast or at least the final hour or so for each stage? I won't be able to watch tomorrow's stage live and am wondering if I should avoid spoilers and watch the stage later, but I haven't found anything longer than a few minutes on youtube.
Also I thought Eurosport had a replay of the day's stage later in the evening but I can't seem to find any information about that now.

Try here: http://tiz-cycling.racing/categories/giro-2018/

Awesome thanks!

 

[Gigs_98]

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When has there ever been a tough mountain stage in the first half of the race?

Last I can remember is the stage to Abetone in 2000.

It certainly had a hard climb and made proper gaps, but overall I'm not sure I'd classify it as a tough mountain stage.

It has, I guess, just under 3000m of vertical gain. Not much.

The 2011 Etna stage had more vertical gain, but obviously not as hard a climb.

Seriously, if these two don't classify as hard mountain stages, what does? This year there are probably two mountain stages with more climbing than this so if these two are no hard mountain stages the question you should ask is rather "when was the last time the queen stage was in the first half of the giro"

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this would have classified as a hard mountain stage:

Ofc the route was changed so this wasn't actually raced, but at least it was planned.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I just realised what a monster Pellegrino in Alpe is. Damn, thats a great climb.

I don't think the Etna-stage is hard enough. Sure, lots of elevation gain, but its 6% all the way and if not for Contador, not much is happening there.

Why was that stage in 2009 cancelled btw? I would love to see this stage as stage 20 in the Giro some time.

 

[luckyboy]

Maddalena/Larche was unsafe or something, right? They should have just started in Jausiers or something so it would be in the valley and then the first climb would be Vars


oh http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-loses-its-top/

The stage, set to take place on May 19 from Cuneo to Pinerolo, was intended to duplicate the epic stage won by legend Fausto Coppi in the 1949 edition of the race. However, the descent from the Colla della Maddalena (Col de Larche) just over the border in France, has been closed for the winter due to avalanche risks.

The Tour de France was modified to skip the Col de Larche on stage 15 for similar reasons last year, and the race went over the Col d'Agnel instead.

 

[claude cat]

How is the forecast looking? yr.no showing showers and light winds, is that what the locals are saying too?
How does figure in the equation for how much Dumoulin can make up?

 

[The Barb]

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For what it's worth, Accuweather suggests slightly deteriorating weather throughout the day, with the following probabilities of rain, by hour (I understand the first riders leave at 1:20pm).

12pm - 16%
1pm - 21%
2pm - 43%
3pm - 47%
4pm - 51%
5pm - 47%
6pm - 47%

Campenaerts (starting 20th) is clearly the best rider who will leave in the first hour and a half.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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About the race, chapeau to Yates, but he still has to proove he can delivery it in 3 weeks. And as we have seen in the past ( like 2 years ago with nibali ), there´s always anything that can happen until the last day, and the giro isn´t over. Yes, if things continue like this Yates is going to win by far, because there is still 4 mountain stages, but... Until the last day, race in on.

In fact, the last 3 Giros have seen the leader wobble in the last week.

It's a pretty weak field this year though. I think Yates will be feeling much more comfortable having Pozzovivo, Dumoulin and Pinot as his main mountain rivals in the last week, compared with if it was Nibali, Quintana or the Landa/Aru combo.

Pinot disagrees with you. He says Yates is stronger uphill than Quintana was last year. He also says Pizza is operating at a higher level than last year. By proxy it means the level of Yates, Pinot, Pozzovivo is higher than last year's Nibali and Quintana. Pinot should know

 

[Robert5091]

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For what it's worth, Accuweather suggests slightly deteriorating weather throughout the day, with the following probabilities of rain, by hour (I understand the first riders leave at 1:20pm).

12pm - 16%
1pm - 21%
2pm - 43%
3pm - 47%
4pm - 51%
5pm - 47%
6pm - 47%

Campenaerts (starting 20th) is clearly the best rider who will leave in the first hour and a half.

According to
https://weather.com/weather/today/l/ITER3387:1:IT

Scattered thunderstorms this morning, then mainly cloudy during the afternoon with thunderstorms likely. Very warm. High 23C. Winds E at 10 to 15 km/h. Chance of rain 80%.

Other sites have just showers, but the common factor is precipitation .

 

[MrTea1976]

Alex Dowsett tweeted this - 'Recce’d the tt course today, it’s a fast relatively uncomplicated one, and time gaps are usually smaller on fast courses but will also depend on the wind direction and strength. Make of that what you will ahead of tomorrow’s showdown.'

He's also hoping for a Katusha 1-2-3-4.

 

[Bavarianrider]

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Alex Dowsett tweeted this - 'Recce’d the tt course today, it’s a fast relatively uncomplicated one, and time gaps are usually smaller on fast courses but will also depend on the wind direction and strength. Make of that what you will ahead of tomorrow’s showdown.'

He's also hoping for a Katusha 1-2-3-4.

I don't think that's necessarly true. Fast TTs can provide quite big differences, as long a s there's no tailwind.
Though sorry 34 km can't provide real gaps, of corse

 

[Velolover2]

Start times?

 

[wirral]

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Start times?

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/orden-y-horario-de-salida-de-la-cri-del-giro-de-italia-21-05-2018

 

[Gigs_98]

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The thing is, Dumoulin is at his best in tricky and hilly TT's but that's the case for basically every gc contender. So I think an easy course suits him a lot more than someone like Yates. I also think that a fast and uncomplicated route could be in his favor. Remember the extremely technical TT course in the giro 2016? Time gaps were almost nonexistent

 

[memyselfandI]

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Actually weather can be quite..

https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/week/trento_italy_3165243
https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/week/aldeno_italy_3183304
https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/week/45.888N11.026E

 

[Laplaz]

Besides the Yates vs. Dumo battle i'm also looking forward to Pozzo vs. Pinot and MAL vs. Carapaz

 

[Red Rick]

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The thing is, Dumoulin is at his best in tricky and hilly TT's but that's the case for basically every gc contender. So I think an easy course suits him a lot more than someone like Yates. I also think that a fast and uncomplicated route could be in his favor. Remember the extremely technical TT course in the giro 2016? Time gaps were almost nonexistent

There's a huge difference between rolling, and mountainious ITTs. If there's too much emphasis on climbing, gaps really go down.

Honestly I think Froome is better on flat ITTs than on hilly ones.

 

[yaco]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 16: Trento – Rovereto 34.2 km I

The thing is, Dumoulin is at his best in tricky and hilly TT's but that's the case for basically every gc contender. So I think an easy course suits him a lot more than someone like Yates. I also think that a fast and uncomplicated route could be in his favor. Remember the extremely technical TT course in the giro 2016? Time gaps were almost nonexistent

There's a huge difference between rolling, and mountainious ITTs. If there's too much emphasis on climbing, gaps really go down.

Honestly I think Froome is better on flat ITTs than on hilly ones.

Agree 100% with this post - Flatte the better for Froome.

 

[del1962]

Re: Giro d'Italia 2018 stage 16: Trento – Rovereto 34.2 km I

The thing is, Dumoulin is at his best in tricky and hilly TT's but that's the case for basically every gc contender. So I think an easy course suits him a lot more than someone like Yates. I also think that a fast and uncomplicated route could be in his favor. Remember the extremely technical TT course in the giro 2016? Time gaps were almost nonexistent

There's a huge difference between rolling, and mountainious ITTs. If there's too much emphasis on climbing, gaps really go down.

Honestly I think Froome is better on flat ITTs than on hilly ones.

Agree 100% with this post - Flatte the better for Froome.

Not sure its so much as flat better than hilly, but less technical definitely better for Froome, more constant tempo than lots of accelerations, I guess on hilly ones you are more likely to get tighter corners.

 

[Jagartrott]

Well, it's wet and that makes a lot of non-technical corners suddenly tricky.
I don't think Froome will like it that much.

 

[DanielSong39]

Campenaerts has a great chance; let's see if he gets a favorable weather draw.

Should be between Campenaerts, Dumoulin, or Dennis. Maybe van Emden if he shows up.