Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2023, stage 15: Seregno - Bergamo 195 km

[Ilmaestro99]

Far too premature to properly assess the quality of this giro in my oponion. But last year Giro the gc Riders actually wanted to race , they just struggled to make separation. We had a very good blockhaus and torino stage.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I guess people have forgotten the 2009 and 2012 Tours, as well as the 2012 Giro.

2009 Tour had Grand Bornand which automatically makes it better than these 15 stages. 2012 Giro at least occasionally featured GC riders doing something (even if something was usually constrained to the final 5 minutes), it's not an accident that that year's Laceno stage was less bad than this year's. 2012 Tour had more action than either that Giro or this one, but the complete and utter annihilation by Sky that year remains unmatched, and so it's the question whether that makes it worse than the overall package served up so far this Giro.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

They hardly raced when he was in the race. Blamed it on a headwind or something else

Sad that Remco got dropped while the others were hardly racing. Luckily he will never be allowed into a GT again as punishment.

 

[AlfaLum]

Motopacing wasting the chances of an Italian talent here..

 

[houtdffan]

I think you guys make out that the 2011 Tour was worse than it was, the first 2 weeks were bad but since Remco abandoned this Giro has felt so flat. Plus the farce of Crans Montana makes this far worse than the 2011 Tour IMO

The 2011 TDF was bad because Andy Schleck was more worried about holding hands with Contador instead of burying him

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Salvodelli would get dropped like a brick on the climbs by the modern peloton though.

Not by 30-rider groups in the modern peloton...

 

[Red Rick]

2009 Tour had Grand Bornand which automatically makes it better than these 15 stages. 2012 Giro at least occasionally featured GC riders doing something (even if something was usually constrained to the final 5 minutes), it's not an accident that that year's Laceno stage was less bad than this year's. 2012 Tour had more action than either that Giro or this one, but the complete and utter annihilation by Sky that year remains unmatched, and so it's the question whether that makes it worse than the overall package served up so far this Giro.

Le Grand Bornand wasn't that amazing. The winner was already decided, it was one attack for the Schlecks to pop off, after that it was just Schlecks taking turns and Contador dropping his own teammate for Contador reasons.

 

[titan31]

Salvodelli would get dropped like a brick on the climbs by the modern peloton though.

I dunno. If you expose him to modern training methods and all, he'd hang in. Guys like Simoni and Basso were excellent climbers and he hung with them. No reason he couldn't hang with Thomas and Almeida

 

[Peyroteo94]

People are really comparing 2011 Tour with this??? 2011 Tour was a LOT better! Even 2012 and Tours with their far worse route design were better than this s#it show.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Le Grand Bornand wasn't that amazing. The winner was already decided, it was one attack for the Schlecks to pop off, after that it was just Schlecks taking turns and Contador dropping his own teammate for Contador reasons.

True, but it was still a legitimately good (but not great) mountain stage. We haven't even had a mediocre mountain stage so far in terms of GC action, let alone a good one.

 

[Carols]

I guess people have forgotten the 2009 and 2012 Tours, as well as the 2012 Giro.

The 2012 Vuelta was even worse the those................

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Oh no, GC riders aren't making meme attacks when the 2 top teams don't wanna race for no reason

I just want Michael Matthews to get dropped.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Contador vs Lance narrative was great. Just that was better than this race.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

At this rate, winning this Giro is going to be a black mark on your palmares. Like going to a job interview and having to explain that you were in jail between jobs.

 

[Red Rick]

True, but it was still a legitimately good (but not great) mountain stage. We haven't even had a mediocre mountain stage so far in terms of GC action, let alone a good one.

Let's say I'm sceptical that absolutely nothing will happen in the remaining 3 mountain stages + ITT.

 

[ashhutch1997]

True, but it was still a legitimately good (if not great) mountain stage. We haven't even had a mediocre mountain stage so far in terms of GC action, let alone a good one.

Watching Contador say f*ck you to Lance on Verbier and going full thermonuclear was way more entertaining than anything we've had this year.

 

[BR2]

Oh no, GC riders aren't making meme attacks when the 2 top teams don't wanna race for no reason

Why do you say meme attacks? They could try to attack. Maybe Roglic is actually hurt. Maybe Thomas will have problems following repeated punchy attacks. Maybe Almeida will drop and not come back. Etc. We don't know. Maybe they will know on the third to last stage and realize they should have done something earlier, but even if something in the back of their heads tells them they should have tried something earlier they will tell themselves and us they couldn't have done anything differently.
Risking something is risky. But not risking anything is also risky.

The route is really bad, anyone resembling a GC rider is extremely passive, and bad luck has pushed all the negatives in addition. It's only funny how bad this race is from a GC point of view.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

The 2012 Vuelta was even worse the those................

View: https://youtu.be/r3s7TWWoNKs

 

[KZD]

Frigo coming back but he should still get dropped in the last climb unfortunately for the Italians.

 

[HelloDolly]

Only breakaways are interesting

Healy, Gee, Rubio, Denz, Pinot, Frigo, McNulty deserve the plaudits

 

[ashhutch1997]

The 2012 Vuelta was even worse the those................

Is that a joke? One of the best grand Tours I've seen IMO

 

[Ricco']

2012 Tour at least had Froome vs. Wiggins and their SO's fighting about it on Twitter.

Here if we're lucky we may have a Vine vs. Almeida but it's less probable and I don't think Almeida's girlfriend has the fighting spirit for a good match-up (but as see with Healy, surprises can always happen).

 

[HelloDolly]

2012 Giro was good with that amasing stage by Contador

 

[JosefK]

Brave trio. No wimps, there.

 

[RedheadDane]

So, how cool is Frigo gonna play it?



(I'll show myself out.)