Giro d'Italia Giro Stage 5: Modena – Cattolica 175 km

[Rollthedice]

Must be terrible to be a Landa fan. He's up there with Richie in the bad luck department. It is hard to explain logically how it's possible to be so many times in the wrong place at the wrong time. Obviously I feel sorry for him.

 

[Luthor]

So gutted for Landa. Good for UCI they ban the supertuck but they can't do anything to ensure we get safer finishes in these stages. Vegni complains about too many teams, also doesn't give a damn that maybe the peloton is too large and they should take that into account.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1392505476919832583

View: https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1392505476919832583

 

[perico]

Sivakov , Landa, Dombrowski...

Guess who won’t be winning the Giro fantasy this year after today????

This guy...

 

[spalco]

Or maybe it is.

There was nothing he could have done there.

I'd have to watch a replay, but no reason to doubt you on this specifically. I was speaking more generally.

It's curious how some riders crash a lot more often than others.

 

[SafeBet]

Looks like a a rider rode straight into the marshall where Landa went down.

Dombrowski is the rider.
Landa really had no chance of surviving that.

 

[Escarabajo]

Sorry, no. Although I agree in general that bike handling is part of the job, this was a really dangerous finale after such an easy stage - many, many harsh bends, roundabouts, lots of narrowings and divisions, constantly roads got narrow, than broad again.
If you know there is no way out of a bunch sprint anyway, why then have such last 15k? You KNOW 100% that crashes will happen. In a GT that's just not necessary.

I have seen many races BlueRoads and this one did not look any different from many others. Gosh, in Europe almost every finish looks like this and we complain always of the same. It is part of the races unless they start doing the finishes outside the cities!

 

[King Boonen]

Yes, I was about to say that this was the Scheldeprijs of GT stages.

At least at Scheldeprijs everyone getting hurt has a role in the sprint finish. GC riders getting taken out in boring stages they're not even involved in is really, really annoying.

 

[Escarabajo]

Dombrowski is the rider.
Landa really had no chance of surviving that.

Unless he was next to the front. Or was he next to the front?

 

[Fernandez]

This stages are *. Just put some easy climbs before the finish to soften the legs. But in this way riders get to the finish too much hot.

 

[Red Rick]

So gutted for Landa. Good for UCI they ban the supertuck but they can't do anything to ensure we get safer finishes in these stages. Vegni complains about too many teams, also doesn't give a damn that maybe the peloton is too large and they should take that into account.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1392505476919832583

View: https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1392505476919832583

Tbh they suggest riding straight through the docks

 

[spalco]

Btw as much as I would have enjoyed him winning - borderline dangerous sprint from Nizzolo, that swing across the entire road basically was questionable imo.

 

[tobydawq]

I'd have to watch a replay, but no reason to doubt you on this specifically. I was speaking more generally.

It's curious how some riders crash a lot more often than others.

But Landa isn't a rider who crashes often...

 

[movingtarget]

Tbh some people are unlucky, Cadel Evans crashed a lot but was a great bike handler

Actually he didn't but it was always at a bad time and usually a heavy crash. compared to riders like Gesink or Thomas or Contador in his late career, Evans hardly crashed at all and he completed every grand tour except his first one.

 

[Luthor]

Tbh they suggest riding straight through the docks

LFR's drawing skills need some polish ig.

 

[spalco]

But Landa isn't a rider who crashes often...

Sivakov does though.

 

[King Boonen]

So gutted for Landa. Good for UCI they ban the supertuck but they can't do anything to ensure we get safer finishes in these stages. Vegni complains about too many teams, also doesn't give a damn that maybe the peloton is too large and they should take that into account.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1392505476919832583

View: https://twitter.com/laflammerouge16/status/1392505476919832583

It's a separate debate, but I think long, straight finishes with no bends can be just as dangerous because more teams can get involved. It's been discussed before but really they need to find a better way of getting the GC guys out of the way. It'll probably lead to more competitive sprinting too.

 

[Ranagazoo]

I don't know how the route can be made safer, you can't ban straight roads. Just an unfortunate part of bike racing.

Hope the race marshall is ok too.

 

[SafeBet]

Unless he was next to the front. Or was he next to the front?

Is there any evidence that being next to the front lowers the risk of crashing in sprint stages (or any other kind of stage really)?

Sivakov crashed while he was in the first 30 positions of the bunch.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Dombrowski took a wrong decision, and somehow the universe decided that Landa was to be the victim... A real shame for the race, and this time Landa would actually have had a realistic chance to win a Grand Tour.

 

[tobydawq]

Sivakov does though.

Right, but I was only speaking about Landa.

I'm sure other riders wouldn't have crashed in Sivakov's situation but Landa was without chance.

 

[Red Rick]

It's a separate debate, but I think long, straight finishes with no bends can be just as dangerous because more teams can get involved. It's been discussed before but really they need to find a better way of getting the GC guys out of the way. It'll probably lead to more competitive sprinting too.

Just take the time at 5km except if there's an uphill finish. If there's an uphill sprint, cap the time loss that can happen due to a mechanical/crash

 

[fbjim]

It's a separate debate, but I think long, straight finishes with no bends can be just as dangerous because more teams can get involved. It's been discussed before but really they need to find a better way of getting the GC guys out of the way. It'll probably lead to more competitive sprinting too.

I legitimately think the GC teams should just have a gentleman's agreement to neutralize things between them and hang out behind the sprint trains. The trend which started last decade of GC teams massing at the front to get their riders to the 3KM barrier has kind of led to this kind of arms race.

Sprinting and flat stages have already been marginalized enough, we don't need any more special treatment for climbers.

 

[King Boonen]

Is there any evidence that being next to the front lowers the risk of crashing in sprint stages (or any other kind of stage really)?

Sivakov crashed while he was in the first 30 positions of the bunch.

It'll lower the odds of you getting taken down when others crash, purely because there's less people infront who could crash. Whether it lowers the odds of you crashing yourself is a different matter.

 

[movingtarget]

Always the flat stages that weed out the GC contenders. Never fails. Silly crashes Just a lack of concentration.

 

[sir fly]

Just take the time at 5km

And in few years at 10...