[Green Edge] Shayne Bannan, Gerry Ryan and an Aussie Pro Team for 2012?

[LukeSchmid]

Quote from Beppu; "I'm honoured to be part of this team, which has been 20 years in the making by the best in Australian cycling."

Serious? It all looks as though it's been pretty much thrown together last minute.

It certainly has not been thrown together at the last minute, you could not get that many sprinters together in one team without careful planning.

 

[ingsve]

I would say that calling them sprint/cobbles team is a little kind. They have a couple of second-rate guys for the cobbles.

Well, that has more to do with their declared signing tactic than anything. Those are the things they are signing riders specifically for and we'll have to see how successful they end up being in the cobbles.

 

[Sydney21]

I would say that calling them sprint/cobbles team is a little kind. They have a couple of second-rate guys for the cobbles.

Only wondered about this today - anyone know why its called GreenEdge? Is there some meaning behind it?

I think you could cobble together a team better than anyone except maybe Garmin and BMC with these guys for coblled classics. Same sort of level as OQS, Sky and Rabo will field imo. Obviously the one man Leopard will be hard to beat too but their team will be weak.

O'Grady
Langeveld
Vaitkus
Cooke
Docker
Goss
Wilson
Keulikerke
Beppu
Lancaster

 

[just some guy]

i would take that bet.

Langeveld is on the verge.

Get the ok from ACF and your in - ps different rider for you. Midenightfright is in.

 

[ingsve]

I think you could cobble together a team better than anyone except maybe Garmin and BMC with these guys for coblled classics. Same sort of level as OQS, Sky and Rabo will field imo. Obviously the one man Leopard will be hard to beat too but their team will be weak.

O'Grady
Langeveld
Vaitkus
Cooke
Docker
Goss
Wilson
Keulikerke
Beppu
Lancaster

No way is that team better than what OQS, Sky and Rabo can field. It doesn't suck but it's not as good as those you listed.

 

[Tuarts]

For all this hype and saturation; I've been gone 2 days and the last 4 pages have read like constant GE-bashing.

Kettle, meet pot.

Connecting GE's chances to the Pegasus disaster is nonsense. Or should Sky have been knocked back because Linda McCartney fell over? Would make just as much sense.

You've read nothing on the matter, haven't you?

 

[PCutter]

You've read nothing on the matter, haven't you?

First of all, the comment was in the context of TSF suggesting that GE was as shakey an operation as Pegasus, so you've missed the point.

Second. Just because Tomalaris says Cycling Australia's guys were in the UCI's ear, doesn't mean they are at fault for Pegasus losing its sponsor, or having a clown run the team. Pegasus were never getting PT status because they didn't deserve it; their line-up wasn't strong enough, their funding wasn't in place, and their admin was a shambles, not because Cycling Australia told the UCI not to give it to them.

 

[Tuarts]

First of all, the comment was in the context of TSF suggesting that GE was as shakey an operation as Pegasus, so you've missed the point.

Second. Just because Tomalaris says Cycling Australia's guys were in the UCI's ear, doesn't mean they are at fault for Pegasus losing its sponsor, or having a clown run the team. Pegasus were never getting PT status because they didn't deserve it; their line-up wasn't strong enough, their funding wasn't in place, and their admin was a shambles, not because Cycling Australia told the UCI not to give it to them.

Yes, like I said, read nothing on the matter. You brought up Tomalaris.

 

[craig1985]

No idea.

Here's a sponsor which is a good fit though;

He would make great PR for the team.

 

[luckyboy]

I think you could cobble together a team better than anyone except maybe Garmin and BMC with these guys for coblled classics. Same sort of level as OQS, Sky and Rabo will field imo. Obviously the one man Leopard will be hard to beat too but their team will be weak.

O'Grady
Langeveld
Vaitkus
Cooke
Docker
Goss
Wilson
Keulikerke
Beppu
Lancaster

I think it looks like a decent team of cobbled domestiques without a leader.

 

[will10]

I think it looks like a decent team of cobbled domestiques without a leader.

Langeveld is more than good enough to lead in the cobbled classics.

 

[Michele]

As much as I like Langeveld, I think he would fit better as a co-leader than the only team leader.

 

[auscyclefan94]

GreenEdge cycling launch video

Libertine Seguros wil dislike GE even more after this as his 'fears' will be confirmed.

 

[Anonymous]

First of all, the comment was in the context of TSF suggesting that GE was as shakey an operation as Pegasus, so you've missed the point. .

I did not suggest that, or imply it in any way. Thank you.

What i said was, after the pegasus situation, where they had no sponsor, after the astana sponsor situation where apparently riders werent getting paid, and after the leopard situation where they had no sponsor and ended up taking another teams sponsor, that the auditors, deloitte, may not take such a relaxed attitude with privately funded teams as they had in the past.

I nowhere suggested that GE was a shakey operation like Pegasus.

You have either misunderstood what I was saying (and were the only one who misunderstood) or you have deliberately mis read.

 

[Ferminal]

I did not suggest that, or imply it in any way. Thank you.

What i said was, after the pegasus situation, where they had no sponsor, after the astana sponsor situation where apparently riders werent getting paid, and after the leopard situation where they had no sponsor and ended up taking another teams sponsor, that the auditors, deloitte, may not take such a relaxed attitude with privately funded teams as they had in the past.

I nowhere suggested that GE was a shakey operation like Pegasus.

You have either misunderstood what I was saying (and were the only one who misunderstood) or you have deliberately mis read.

Pegasus did have a sponsor, who pulled out, thus why they weren't awarded a license.

If it was privately funded it would be up and running.

 

[Andy99]

Pegasus did have a sponsor, who pulled out, thus why they weren't awarded a license.

If it was privately funded it would be up and running.

Yeah, but wasn't the sponsor conditional on the achievement of WT status? Surely this, in itself would be seen almost as blackmail by the auditors..?

 

[Anonymous]

GreenEdge cycling launch video

Libertine Seguros wil dislike GE even more after this as his 'fears' will be confirmed.

wonder what Cadel Evans and BMC have to say about Greenedge using his image in their promo video's

 

[luckyboy]

That video says 'Uploaded by 618PRODUCTIONS1 on 3 Mar 2011'

It was uploaded 7 months ago and mentions riders who have now joined the team, but were racing with other teams then. Isn't that a bit fishy/weird?

 

[Andy99]

wonder what Cadel Evans and BMC have to say about Greenedge using his image in their promo video's

They've been on the case for 20 years, so surely they have covered all potential outcomes.

 

[Anonymous]

That video says 'Uploaded by 618PRODUCTIONS1 on 3 Mar 2011'

It was uploaded 7 months ago and mentions riders who have now joined the team, but were racing with other teams then. Isn't that a bit fishy/weird?

that is extremely fishy

which brings up this blog from january
http://t.co/TQ8a4LO1

 

[sublimit]

GreenEdge cycling launch video

Libertine Seguros wil dislike GE even more after this as his 'fears' will be confirmed.

Lol, Ligget is a traitor for bigging up the Australians..

That was excruciating to be fair though.

 

[Ferminal]

Yeah, but wasn't the sponsor conditional on the achievement of WT status? Surely this, in itself would be seen almost as blackmail by the auditors..?

No, the sponsor pulled out long before the license was due. They were not awarded World Tour or PCT status because they had no sponsor/money, not the other way.

 

[Sydney21]

No way is that team better than what OQS, Sky and Rabo can field. It doesn't suck but it's not as good as those you listed.

Not trying to prove a point here just having a look at how Greenedge would stack up against these teams. I think Boonan aside, I'd back Langeveld to be able to match Flecha, Breschel, EBH or Tjalingi. If Langeveld can improve on top 5'ing in a monument and winning a classic which is what he did last year I don't see GE as a particularly Leaderless team. OPQ I agree are better because of Boonen - I'm not sure Chanvenel will be able to match his form in Flanders last year again. will be interesting to see how GE fare nonetheless. Teams might look a bit like this.

Rabo
Boom
Breschel
Flens
Leezer
Matthews
Tjallingi
Tankink
Wynants

OPQ
Boonen
Stybar
Chavenel
Ciolek
Terpstra
Steegmans
Maes
Brammier

Sky
Flecha
Thomas
EBH
Stannard
Sutton
Puccio
Hunt
Hayman
(Eisel?)

 

[Andy99]

No, the sponsor pulled out long before the license was due. They were not awarded World Tour or PCT status because they had no sponsor/money, not the other way.

Ah ok, fair dinkum. I didn't know the full story..

 

[boomcie]

Not trying to prove a point here just having a look at how Greenedge would stack up against these teams. I think Boonan aside, I'd back Langeveld to be able to match Flecha, Breschel, EBH or Tjalingi. If Langeveld can improve on top 5'ing in a monument and winning a classic which is what he did last year I don't see GE as a particularly Leaderless team. OPQ I agree are better because of Boonen - I'm not sure Chanvenel will be able to match his form in Flanders last year again. will be interesting to see how GE fare nonetheless. Teams might look a bit like this.

OPQ
Boonen
Stybar
Chavenel
Ciolek
Terpstra
Steegmans
Maes
Brammier

Lol @Brammeier. I'd say they have some better alternatives for those races.