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Having a full-sized team for the Worlds and Olympics definitely helps get better results vs even complete countries that have less riders entered.
Having a full-sized team for the Worlds and Olympics definitely helps get better results vs even complete countries that have less riders entered.
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I made a list that clearly highlights getting podium placings (and it wasn't exactly a 5 minute-exercise), and all I'm hearing is how stupid he is for going after podium places. If he hadn't gotten so many, I wouldn't have made the list. I know full well that a few of the non-wins represent a missed opportunity, but it's not that many, really.
I was curious how many countries would beat him, and that's pretty much it.
I can also appreciate Cancellara's amazing run of 12 consecutive podiums in monuments that he finished, but I know that other people will claim that "2nd is the first loser" (and yes, I know that Cancellara rode more aggressively than Valverde).
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Reasons for Valverde podium record is that he's almost always there at the end of the biggest one-day races and is always in the contention in the GT's, and it's not that he lacks big wins comparing to other greats of the 21st century.
I could very well tell you that he would not win that Worlds and Lombardia you're talking about had he followed that moves.
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This is the riders' list:
| Alejandro | Valverde | 27 |
| Fabian | Cancellara | 17 |
| Vincenzo | Nibali | 17 |
| Tom | Boonen | 14 |
| Joaquim | Rodríguez | 12 |
| Chris | Froome | 11 |
| Philippe | Gilbert | 11 |
| Alberto | Contador | 9 |
| Julian | Alaphilippe | 8 |
| Peter | Sagan | 8 |
| Paolo | Bettini | 7 |
| Alexander | Kristoff | 7 |
| Tadej | Pogacar | 7 |
| Samuel | Sánchez | 7 |
| Rigoberto | Urán | 7 |
| Greg | Van Avermaet | 7 |
| Alessandro | Ballan | 6 |
| Damiano | Cunego | 6 |
| Cadel | Evans | 6 |
| Nairo | Quintana | 6 |
| Primoz | Roglic | 6 |
| Andy | Schleck | 6 |
| Niki | Terpstra | 6 |
| Alexandre | Vinokourov | 6 |
| Ivan | Basso | 5 |
| Thor | Hushovd | 5 |
| Michal | Kwiatkowski | 5 |
| Fränk | Schleck | 5 |
| Gilberto | Simoni | 5 |
| Wout | Van Aert | 5 |
| Lance | Armstrong | 4 |
| Romain | Bardet | 4 |
| Michael | Boogerd | 4 |
| Richard | Carapaz | 4 |
| Juan Antonio | Flecha | 4 |
| Alexandr | Kolobnev | 4 |
| Daniel | Martin | 4 |
| Michael | Matthews | 4 |
| Denis | Menchov | 4 |
| Luca | Paolini | 4 |
| Filippo | Pozzato | 4 |
| Davide | Rebellin | 4 |
| Carlos | Sastre | 4 |
| Peter | Van Petegem | 4 |
| Fabio | Aru | 3 |
| Egan | Bernal | 3 |
| Mark | Cavendish | 3 |
| Esteban | Chaves | 3 |
| Rui | Costa | 3 |
| John | Degenkolb | 3 |
| Danilo | Di Luca | 3 |
| Tom | Dumoulin | 3 |
| Óscar | Freire | 3 |
| Jakob | Fuglsang | 3 |
| Simon | Gerrans | 3 |
| Roberto | Heras | 3 |
| Leif | Hoste | 3 |
| Rafal | Majka | 3 |
| Stuart | O'Grady | 3 |
| Alessandro | Petacchi | 3 |
| Thibaut | Pinot | 3 |
| Mathieu | Van der Poel | 3 |
| Sep | Vanmarcke | 3 |
| Erik | Zabel | 3 |
| Kasper | Asgreen | 2 |
| Matti | Breschel | 2 |
| Allan | Davis | 2 |
| Arnaud | Démare | 2 |
| Stijn | Devolder | 2 |
| Caleb | Ewan | 2 |
| Matthew | Goss | 2 |
| Heinrich | Haussler | 2 |
| George | Hincapie | 2 |
| Marc | Hirschi | 2 |
| Andreas | Klöden | 2 |
| Levi | Leipheimer | 2 |
| Miguel Ángel | López | 2 |
| Enric | Mas | 2 |
| Nick | Nuyens | 2 |
| Mads | Pedersen | 2 |
| Riccardo | Riccò | 2 |
| Jürgen | Roelandts | 2 |
| Michele | Scarponi | 2 |
| Zdenek | Stybar | 2 |
| Ben | Swift | 2 |
| Geraint | Thomas | 2 |
| Jan | Ullrich | 2 |
| Steffen | Wesemann | 2 |
| Bradley | Wiggins | 2 |
| Michael | Woods | 2 |
| Simon | Yates | 2 |
| Michael | Albasini | 1 |
| David | Arroyo | 1 |
| Igor | Astarloa | 1 |
| Michele | Bartoli | 1 |
| George | Bennett | 1 |
| Alberto | Bettiol | 1 |
| Edvald | Boasson Hagen | 1 |
| Janez | Brajkovic | 1 |
| Marzio | Bruseghin | 1 |
| Dave | Bruylandts | 1 |
| Magnus | Bäckstedt | 1 |
| Hugh | Carthy | 1 |
| Damiano | Caruso | 1 |
| Mirko | Celestino | 1 |
| Sylvain | Chavanel | 1 |
| Gerald | Ciolek | 1 |
| Juan José | Cobo | 1 |
| Sonny | Colbrelli | 1 |
| Thomas | De Gendt | 1 |
| Silvan | Dillier | 1 |
| Viatcheslav | Ekimov | 1 |
| Davide | Formolo | 1 |
| Óscar | Freire | 1 |
| Dario | Frigo | 1 |
| Stefano | Garzelli | 1 |
| Enrico | Gasparotto | 1 |
| David | Gaudu | 1 |
| Tao | Geoghegan Hart | 1 |
| Anthony | Geslin | 1 |
| André | Greipel | 1 |
| José Enrique | Gutiérrez | 1 |
| Jack | Haig | 1 |
| Tyler | Hamilton | 1 |
| Roger | Hammond | 1 |
| Mathew | Hayman | 1 |
| Ryder | Hesjedal | 1 |
| Jai | Hindley | 1 |
| Tristan | Hoffman | 1 |
| Serhiy | Honchar | 1 |
| Danilo | Hondo | 1 |
| Chris | Horner | 1 |
| Maxim | Iglinskiy | 1 |
| Bob | Jungels | 1 |
| Andrey | Kashechkin | 1 |
| Wilco | Kelderman | 1 |
| Andreas | Klier | 1 |
| Bernhard | Kohl | 1 |
| Steven | Kruijswijk | 1 |
| Stefan | Küng | 1 |
| Yves | Lampaert | 1 |
| Mikel | Landa | 1 |
| Floyd | Landis | 1 |
| Sebastian | Langeveld | 1 |
| Pablo | Lastras | 1 |
| Angelo | Lopeboselli | 1 |
| Francisco | Mancebo | 1 |
| Fausto | Masnada | 1 |
| Iban | Mayo | 1 |
| Eddy | Mazzoleni | 1 |
| Axel | Merckx | 1 |
| Bauke | Mollema | 1 |
| Daniel | Moreno | 1 |
| Gianni | Moscon | 1 |
| Ezequiel | Mosquera | 1 |
| Oliver | Naesen | 1 |
| Ramunas | Navardauskas | 1 |
| Isidro | Nozal | 1 |
| Sérgio | Paulinho | 1 |
| Franco | Pellizotti | 1 |
| Jean-Christophe | Péraud | 1 |
| Óscar | Pereiro | 1 |
| Santiago | Pérez | 1 |
| Dario | Pieri | 1 |
| Wout | Poels | 1 |
| Nils | Politt | 1 |
| Yaroslav | Popovych | 1 |
| Richie | Porte | 1 |
| Diego | Rosa | 1 |
| José | Rujano | 1 |
| Paolo | Savoldelli | 1 |
| Maximilian | Schachmann | 1 |
| Stefan | Schumacher | 1 |
| Ian | Stannard | 1 |
| Jasper | Stuyven | 1 |
| Dylan | Teuns | 1 |
| Maarten | Tjallingii | 1 |
| Matteo | Trentin | 1 |
| Sébastien | Turgot | 1 |
| Michael | Valgren | 1 |
| Dylan | Van Baarle | 1 |
| Frank | Vandenbroucke | 1 |
| Johan | Vansummeren | 1 |
| Peter | Velits | 1 |
| Florian | Vermeersch | 1 |
| Jonas | Vingegaard | 1 |
| Aleksander | Vlasov | 1 |
| Jens | Voigt | 1 |
| Fabian | Wegmann | 1 |
| Adam | Yates | 1 |
| Ilnur | Zakarin | 1 |
| Oliver | Zaugg | 1 |
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It's still only in the period from 2003-2021, so the numbers don't make much sense for riders who were good before 2003.
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List has Contador at 9 it is absolutely 100% indisputably perfect.
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Well, he certainly did not win by doing what he did. And pretending that he did everything right in those finales like you seem to be doing looks like an attempt to rewrite history.
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Great, Cancellara won 5 monuments during that time, but you only mentioned a podium run. Is there some sort of complex that you have regarding wins?
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No, but 5 wins out of 12 races isn't a run. 12 consecutive races without being off the podium is off the charts (whether he won 0, 5 or 11 of those is not important for that point) and un-parallelled in modern cycling.
Is there some sort of complex that you have regarding podiums?
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No, I'm not pretending he did everything right, but you, and I for that matter, just don't know if he would get those wins had he did what you think he should.
At that Worlds, for example, Purito himself said that Valverde told him to attack 3-4 km's from the end because he was dead. His main mistake was that he fell asleep on Nibali's wheel, and didn't react to Costa in time. After was late, he couldn't close that gap, and eve if he somehow could, he wouldn't won that sprint.
At Lombardia, we have Gilbert who was forcing at Bergamo Alta and looked pretty strong with a teammate, and not just ordinary one, but Samu Sanchez, another strong rider. So we have Valverde, looking mainly at Gilbert cause he's the fastest beside him, plus with a teammate. Martin goes, Gilbert and Samu does nothing, Valverde looks for a couple of seconds to them, and BAM, the race is lost. He can close it maybe, but there's no way he will win a sprint after that.
Cycling finales are complicated, you must react in split second, and you can't always react right. Sometimes you win, sometimes don't. But Bala had his fair share of wins, he can't complain.
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He did so well. What a career. Of course he could've done better under more favorable circumstances, but he could've also done worse!! I find it difficult to fault Valverde...amazing palmares, well-compensated, well-regarded by his peers, and resilience and longevity that seem unlikely to be matched in near-term.
- Aug 13, 2011
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It’s been well voiced before that if he tried to close gaps his sprint deteriorates. He is no way near Gerrans as a rider. Then a lot could be said to his mental as we saw Koronin has said he has struggled with the mental aspect.
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What? Who is Germans? And what do you mean by the last phrase?
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Sorry, Autocorrect. Netserk is right, Gerrans. Then Koronin has brought up before that he has had mental struggles.
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Am I to understand that Shadow thinks that Gerrans was a far superior rider to Valverde or what is going on here?
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No, that he didn’t exclusively bank on his sprint like Gerrans. He’s won solo or with attacking. Then everyone always brings him down for missing the movies but if he worked, it’s no guarantee he wins the sprint.
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