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What will Valverde's impact be the cycling world in 2012

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Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
 
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Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
 
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jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.
 
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Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

He is happy with the Tour podium, not every podium... That's understandable, it eluded him for 10 years for Christ sake!
 
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Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.

Well Valverde was not happy with his 3rd place in Florence either.. :rolleyes:
 
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Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.

Well Valverde was not happy with his 3rd place in Florence either.. :rolleyes:
Huh? I think you are mistaking him with Purito. Piti was quite content with his medal.
 
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Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.

I don't know that you can say that definitively. Who knows how he felt about it in the resulting days? Besides, it's a diferent scenario as Uran could have conceivably won gold and there was never a scenario where 1st was in the cards for Bala.

Anyway, you thinking it's pathetic for people to cry after winning silver and bronze medals in the Olympics just means that you and I will never understand each other when it comes to this issue. You obviously don't think there's great value in a performance unless you're the absolute best and I wholeheartedly disagree.
 
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jaylew said:
Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.

I don't know that you can say that definitively. Who knows how he felt about it in the resulting days? Besides, it's a diferent scenario as Uran could have conceivably won gold and there was never a scenario where 1st was in the cards for Bala.

Anyway, you thinking it's pathetic for people to cry after winning silver and bronze medals in the Olympics just means that you and I will never understand each other when it comes to this issue. You obviously don't think there's great value in a performance unless you're the absolute best and I wholeheartedly disagree.
Strawman much. Of course there is. I just don't think one should celebrate a loss.
 
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You have some peculiarly excessive standards as to what warrants celebration then. But whatever, it's not like any of this (prefereces) can be reasonably discussed.

If one wanted to understand why athletes in all sports highly value placings like 2nd and 3rd, that would be easy to do.
 
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Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
jaylew said:
Netserk said:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

It would be different if he had already been on the podium at the Tour. You don't see him crying when coming second at Worlds or Lombardia.

Still, 2nd and 3rd is good, Netserk. Really, it is. I know you operate under the "2nd place is 1st loser" principle but not everyone does. The Tour is the pinnacle of the sport. It's ok to be thrilled at getting on the podium in the biggest event in your sport. Do you feel the same about all those people who cry when they win silver and bronze medals in the Olympics?
Yes, of course.

That said, I don't think Uran was as happy with his silver as Valverde is with his 3rd place.

I don't know that you can say that definitively. Who knows how he felt about it in the resulting days? Besides, it's a diferent scenario as Uran could have conceivably won gold and there was never a scenario where 1st was in the cards for Bala.

Anyway, you thinking it's pathetic for people to cry after winning silver and bronze medals in the Olympics just means that you and I will never understand each other when it comes to this issue. You obviously don't think there's great value in a performance unless you're the absolute best and I wholeheartedly disagree.
Strawman much. Of course there is. I just don't think one should celebrate a loss.

How is it a strawman? So, you're saying there is great value in winning a bronze or silver but you shouldn't celebrate it? So all those athletes draping their flags around themselves and celebrating or crying after winning a medal are pathetic for doing so?

Certainly you won't see Usain Bolt celebrating a bunch if he gets a bronze next year, but that's because he's been the best. It's perfectly understandable for someone to celebrate getting any medal in an event when they never have or if they weren't expecting it.
 
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Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

Vanmarcke and Degenkolb both celebrated when they came over the line in the 2014 Ronde and Roubaix. It was pathetic but totally different from today cause their odds to win that day were 10x bigger than Valverde's to win le tour
 
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Red Rick said:
I hope that now he's achieved his long dream of podium the Tour he'll finally give a shot at dem Giro d'Italia. All those medium mountain stages should suit him very well, even though the brutal mountains may be too much for him.

I agree, I'd love to finally see him at the Giro.

Giro+Ardennes, a break, then Vuelta+Lombardia+Worlds would be great program though Movistar will probably want to see him in the Tour since they'll likely be wanting the best team possible around Nairo. Maybe Amador and Intxausti (if he stays) could be Nairo's main mtn doms instead?
 
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jaylew said:
Netserk said:
jaylew said:
I don't know that you can say that definitively. Who knows how he felt about it in the resulting days? Besides, it's a diferent scenario as Uran could have conceivably won gold and there was never a scenario where 1st was in the cards for Bala.

Anyway, you thinking it's pathetic for people to cry after winning silver and bronze medals in the Olympics just means that you and I will never understand each other when it comes to this issue. You obviously don't think there's great value in a performance unless you're the absolute best and I wholeheartedly disagree.
Strawman much. Of course there is. I just don't think one should celebrate a loss.

How is it a strawman? So, you're saying there is great value in winning a bronze or silver but you shouldn't celebrate it? So all those athletes draping their flags around themselves and celebrating or crying after winning a medal are pathetic for doing so?

Certainly you won't see Usain Bolt celebrating a bunch if he gets a bronze next year, but that's because he's been the best. It's perfectly understandable for someone to celebrate getting any medal in an event when they never have or if they weren't expecting it.
How can you continue to misrepresent what I am writing?! No I don't think a 2nd or 3rd place has great value in itself. I do think that there are performances other than those that win you races that have great value. I think Cancellara's performance in Ronde '11 was great, but it wasn't because he got 3rd. Purito's ride in Florence had great value as well, but to me it wouldn't matter if he got caught by Piti and Nibali as well and finished 4th. Losing, if done while doing your best to win, can have great value, but a secondary position in itself is worthless in my opinion.
 
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Billie said:
Netserk said:
Mr.White said:
Netserk said:
Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.

Sometimes it's better to just shut up!

We're talking about no.1 rider in the world atm, and he lacks winner mentality?!!! :confused: :eek:
Can you name me one rider in the world who is as happy as he is with secondary positions?

Vanmarcke and Degenkolb both celebrated when they came over the line in the 2014 Ronde and Roubaix. It was pathetic but totally different from today cause their odds to win that day were 10x bigger than Valverde's to win le tour
Don't remember Vanmarcke celebrating then, but Degenkolb celebrating his 2nd place was absolutely pathetic as well. He had a great chance to win, but was content with 2nd so didn't do *** to get on Terpstra when he attacked.
 

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