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hfer07 said:Alejandro in tears after achieving his TDF podium goal
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Netserk said:How can you continue to misrepresent what I am writing?! No I don't think a 2nd or 3rd place has great value in itself. I do think that there are performances other than those that win you races that have great value. I think Cancellara's performance in Ronde '11 was great, but it wasn't because he got 3rd. Purito's ride in Florence had great value as well, but to me it wouldn't matter if he got caught by Piti and Nibali as well and finished 4th. Losing, if done while doing your best to win, can have great value, but a secondary position in itself is worthless in my opinion.jaylew said:Netserk said:Strawman much. Of course there is. I just don't think one should celebrate a loss.jaylew said:I don't know that you can say that definitively. Who knows how he felt about it in the resulting days? Besides, it's a diferent scenario as Uran could have conceivably won gold and there was never a scenario where 1st was in the cards for Bala.
Anyway, you thinking it's pathetic for people to cry after winning silver and bronze medals in the Olympics just means that you and I will never understand each other when it comes to this issue. You obviously don't think there's great value in a performance unless you're the absolute best and I wholeheartedly disagree.
How is it a strawman? So, you're saying there is great value in winning a bronze or silver but you shouldn't celebrate it? So all those athletes draping their flags around themselves and celebrating or crying after winning a medal are pathetic for doing so?
Certainly you won't see Usain Bolt celebrating a bunch if he gets a bronze next year, but that's because he's been the best. It's perfectly understandable for someone to celebrate getting any medal in an event when they never have or if they weren't expecting it.
Rollthedice said:Grande Alejandro Valverde! In what appeared to be the hardest tour to get that precious spot on the podium on Champs Elysees, he did it. Happy for him after so much bad luck in TdF.
Netserk said:Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.
Red Rick said:At one point I think Wuyts suggested that Valverde was so motivated for the podium because he'd get bonusses he could use to pay for his huge alimony
Valverde wins a whole lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he's often unreasonably happy with good placings that don't really add anything of value to his palmares at this point.Angliru said:You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
Angliru said:Netserk said:Pathetic how happy he is for a 3rd place. He clearly lacks a winner's mentality.
You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
hrotha said:Valverde wins a whole lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he's often unreasonably happy with good placings that don't really add anything of value to his palmares at this point.Angliru said:You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
if someone handles valverde's winning spirit so critically, i wonder how many riders in the peloton have no problem with winning mentality?hrotha said:Valverde wins a whole lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he's often unreasonably happy with good placings that don't really add anything of value to his palmares at this point.Angliru said:You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
I don't get this mentality. If you can podium a race, you can win it as well, as long as you have enough courage and luck.BigMac said:hrotha said:Valverde wins a whole lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he's often unreasonably happy with good placings that don't really add anything of value to his palmares at this point.Angliru said:You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
Clearly this has a sentimental value for him. Let's face it, he was never going to win Le Tour so a podium was always a reasonable goal when you can't aim higher.
Netserk said:I don't get this mentality. If you can podium a race, you can win it as well, as long as you have enough courage and luck.BigMac said:hrotha said:Valverde wins a whole lot, but that doesn't change the fact that he's often unreasonably happy with good placings that don't really add anything of value to his palmares at this point.Angliru said:You clearly are out of your mind which doesn't surprise me. Compare his number of wins versus any of his contemporaries who compete for grand tour gc, hilly classics and major week long stage races and he has a sizable advantage. Your attitude is what is pathetic.
Clearly this has a sentimental value for him. Let's face it, he was never going to win Le Tour so a podium was always a reasonable goal when you can't aim higher.