How dirty is SaxoBank-Tinkoff?

[SeriousSam]

Don't really like the way the article dismisses the prior tweet
"The whole world hates you stupid russians" is not just "crudely venting an opinion"
It's an uncalled for racist insult, disgusting as well
That Norwegian dude reaped what he sowed imo
(not saying I support Oleg's tweet)

I didn't even look at the actual tweets. Referring to such a tweet as

Twitter being what it is, they voiced their disapproval, often crudely,

is hilariously biased.

 

[del1962]

Don't really like the way the article dismisses the prior tweet
"The whole world hates you stupid russians" is not just "crudely venting an opinion"
It's an uncalled for racist insult, disgusting as well
That Norwegian dude reaped what he sowed imo
(not saying I support Oleg's tweet)

I don't think we should give Tinkov excuses, he could just do what anyone with a half of decency would do and block the responses to him, there really is no excuse for his tweet, I am suprised some are making an half -arsed defence of him

 

[Carstenbf]

I hope he keeps carpetbombing the web with stupid tweets, and that perhaps the world would learn to ignore Twitter.

Maybe we could get beyond the "Omg, someone said something stupid on teh interwebs"-stories on other media.

 

[Microchip]

Tinkov comes across as eccentric and not to be taken seriously...couldn't help but come to that conclusion as Cycling News has it that Boasson-Hagen is still contemplating the team as an option! Clearly, they aren't taking him seriously.

Maybe his actions are just for publicity?

 

[No_Balls]

I don't think we should give Tinkov excuses, he could just do what anyone with a half of decency would do and block the responses to him, there really is no excuse for his tweet, I am suprised some are making an half -arsed defence of him

Excuses? He didnt like "some norwegian cyclists" (which he is entitled to do) before the norwegian dude went full Adolf. He stepped out of the boundaries of cycling, doping and what have you.

I am sure that you are more then aware of the blocking-process on Twitter but it is kind of hard to imagine beforehand when these kinds of attitudes show itself. And they are, you know, kind of worrying.

 

[del1962]

No balls, quit with your rather pathetic attempt to be an apologist for Tinkov tweet

P.s. it has nothing to do with other teams (there is always some idiot who wants to make everything about Sky)

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

I don't think we should give Tinkov excuses, he could just do what anyone with a half of decency would do and block the responses to him, there really is no excuse for his tweet, I am suprised some are making an half -arsed defence of him

That's not what I meant
I was pointing out that we shouldn't blame Tinkov while giving excuses for the tweet that provoked him, as that article does

 

[del1962]

That's not what I meant
I was pointing out that we shouldn't blame Tinkov while giving excuses for the tweet that provoked him, as that article does

The tweet about Russians, not a good tweet, but if someone made such a tweet about Americans or Brits, I don't think people would be screaming racist, not nearly as bad as Tinkov's response

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Imo it was at least as bad, specifically because it wasn't a response to anything offensive, just out of the blue

 

[jens_attacks]

so now twitter is real life lol? i can say whatever i want on the internetz
and so should tinkov. if people take seriously the internet,a good afternoon to them

 

[SeriousSam]

The tweet about Russians, not a good tweet, but if someone made such a tweet about Americans or Brits, I don't think people would be screaming racist, not nearly as bad as Tinkov's response

That's a rather pathetic attempt to be an apologist for that tweet.

 

[May0maniac]

RoboBasso coming back in 2015. You heard it here first!

Yes please, he will start as a superdom for both Majka and Contador, crush both of them and win both the Giro and the Tour

 

[Dr. Juice]

I'm almost sure that the crew at Tinkoff-Saxo has figured a good way to improve performance on the medical side , like Sky since 2012 or Astana. Loads of money - these teams can afford the best experts who take care of the BP and how not to be caught.

These teams have talented riders (Sky less so after Wiggins doesn't ride GT's anymore, Uran and Rogers gone, Porte up and down ..only Froome / Nieve / Thomas deliver ) and a slight medical advantage IMO. There are 2-3 other big teams like for example Omega- PHARMA who ain't bad either.

Not that other teams don't do a transfusion during a GT or load with small doses of EPO , but teams like Cannondale, Lampre and other on the bottom half of the World Tour seem to be slightly more conservative. Don't exclude some clean riders either.

While of course it would be nice to have no blood doping or a minority blood doping in an ideal world - I can dope with these levels of doping.
They don't fill the riders with terrible cocktails like in the 90's and or till mid - late 00's. And the microdosing of EPO with HCT not much higher than without EPO (41-46 mostly, while I had once 51 in the hospital having drunken a lot of coffee and below average water quantity) plus gradual reduction till stopping the substance after the big goals .... seems to have reduced health dangers to a minimum.
GW 1516 is a more dangerous problem, often given with AICAR for better effects. AICAR there aren't that big of side effects but GW 1516 produced cancer in animals.

Back to Tinkoff / Basso

Plus the fact that Tinkoff have a training coach ( De Jongh) who seems to know how to develop good individual training programs - just look at Rogers, Majka, Contador ( first winter he listened to him, you see the results ) - makes me think that Ivan Basso will find his level of 2013 again at the very least.

Probably even slightly better, strong enough to potentially challenge for a Top 5 in a GT. Of course if he trains with motivation. He could be the ideal replacement for Kreuziger for the upcoming 2 seasons. After all they share similar characteristics - strong on pace, not explosive but diesel power. Only thing that Kreuziger is a Nibali downhill and could launch the odd attack. Basso is average at best but I don't think Alberto will need a leader downhill.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The idiot to thinker ratio on Twitter is through the roof.

Following someone on Twitter is like walking behind them waiting to smell a fart.

 

[kingjr]

The idiot to thinker ratio on Twitter is through the roof.

Following someone on Twitter is like walking behind them waiting to smell a fart.

And why the **** would you want to smell a fart, right?

 

[The Hitch]

And why the **** would you want to smell a fart, right?

Wiggins spent several years trying to smell Armstrong's

 

[kingjr]

Wiggins spent several years trying to smell Armstrong's

How did it taste, Wiggo?

 

[del1962]

Probably even slightly better, strong enough to potentially challenge for a Top 5 in a GT. Of course if he trains with motivation. He could be the ideal replacement for Kreuziger for the upcoming 2 seasons. After all they share similar characteristics - strong on pace, not explosive but diesel power. Only thing that Kreuziger is a Nibali downhill and could launch the odd attack. Basso is average at best but I don't think Alberto will need a leader downhill.

Do you really think Basso is going to find his former levels? He is going to be 37 by the end of this year, can't really se it.

Nice final paycheck though.

 

[Dr. Juice]

Do you really think Basso is going to find his former levels? He is going to be 37 by the end of this year, can't really se it.

Nice final paycheck though.

He was almost 36 last year at the Vuelta. He battled with opponents who are Top 5 material in every GT. The physical difference between a 35 and 37 year old Basso is small. At 39, when his contract ends, it may be a bigger factor.

Motivation and new training or better training ( De Jongh) is important now. Something must have gone wrong, he has a Contador 2013 year, even worse.

Look, in 2011 at the TDF they said he was declining. He was 33 then. He destroyed Evans the year before on the Zoncolan. If he had the same form - form independant of age if it's from 1 to the next year - he could have battled for the win. Crash before, maybe just not in as good form as the year before, ended 7th.

In the end, if he has the same form as in the Vuelta 2013 in 2015, he may potentially (has to work for Contador) be able to do a Top 5 in a GT. Or, we assume there is a small decline between age 35 and age 37, able to do a Top 10.
If then again he regains an even better form than in the Vuelta 2013 - back to a potential Top 5. Better form but 2 years older. Compensation.

Obviously, he hasn't the potential to win a GT or podium like in 2010/2011 anymore. If he had a messed up Winter in 2010, he would have scrapped for a 9-10 th place in 2010. Now it puts him that far down.

A good winter, motivation and some changes in training plus little bit better medical preperation and we won't see RoboBasso, but still a very good climber who has just lost that what's normal over the years.

 

[yespatterns]

And why the **** would you want to smell a fart, right?

I have three dogs that would argue you into the ground over this.

 

[kingjr]

I have three dogs that would argue you into the ground over this.

Probably, but they have the language advantage, my barking is very poor indeed.

 

[yespatterns]

Probably, but they have the language advantage, my barking is very poor indeed.

They are just catching up on gossip, a lot like us in forums, no biggie.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He was almost 36 last year at the Vuelta. He battled with opponents who are Top 5 material in every GT. The physical difference between a 35 and 37 year old Basso is small. At 39, when his contract ends, it may be a bigger factor.

Motivation and new training or better training ( De Jongh) is important now. Something must have gone wrong, he has a Contador 2013 year, even worse.

Look, in 2011 at the TDF they said he was declining. He was 33 then. He destroyed Evans the year before on the Zoncolan. If he had the same form - form independant of age if it's from 1 to the next year - he could have battled for the win. Crash before, maybe just not in as good form as the year before, ended 7th.

In the end, if he has the same form as in the Vuelta 2013 in 2015, he may potentially (has to work for Contador) be able to do a Top 5 in a GT. Or, we assume there is a small decline between age 35 and age 37, able to do a Top 10.
If then again he regains an even better form than in the Vuelta 2013 - back to a potential Top 5. Better form but 2 years older. Compensation.

Obviously, he hasn't the potential to win a GT or podium like in 2010/2011 anymore. If he had a messed up Winter in 2010, he would have scrapped for a 9-10 th place in 2010. Now it puts him that far down.

A good winter, motivation and some changes in training plus little bit better medical preperation and we won't see RoboBasso, but still a very good climber who has just lost that what's normal over the years.

Basso is on a steady decline, has been for a few years. Its obvious.
Only one thing can make him competitive again: blood and EPO doping.

Thats the only reason the clowns at Tinkoff signed him. They hope he gets back on the juice program.

All the talk of motivation and training is just nonsense. You have to be naive, dumb or a hopeless fan to believe in that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Basso:

Froome:

Wiggins:
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[wattage]

Basso to do Horner, and climb next year like it's 2006 and Monte Bondone.

Love it!