alitogata said:
From 1961 to 1980 the Tour de I'Avenir was an amateur race (but I do not recall its duration).
-
The Cycling News forum is looking to add some volunteer moderators with Red Rick's recent retirement. If you're interested in helping keep our discussions on track, send a direct message to
In the meanwhile, please use the Report option if you see a post that doesn't fit within the forum rules.
Thanks!
From 1961 to 1980 the Tour de I'Avenir was an amateur race (but I do not recall its duration).
airstream said:
Pretty sure it went to 2M GBP after he came 4th in 2009. And Sky paid 2M GBP in transfer fees. Why do you think his job was on the line by the end of 2010? And Vuelta success was so important?
This article gives an idea about the power profile that occurs in pro stage races...
http://theconversation.edu.au/how-did-amateurs-compare-with-pros-at-the-tour-down-under-11946
When I was a grad student at the AIS, I shared an office with another student who did lots of these analyses on stage races (in particular the TdU). Pauwel's power profile during that stage is typical. Pros spend large chunks of time rolling about at power outputs that most good amateurs could handle, but the difference appears at strategic points in the race eg: breakaways, towards the finish, mtn climbs and ITTs. During these critical moments in the race, pro level riders produce power that is in excess of what the best amateurs can achieve.
IMO winning the tour is about 4 things, 1. having the engine to produce the necessary watts/kg or watts/CdA to put in time gaps (or loose the least amount of time) against your rivals in mtn climbs and TTs respectively, 2. having the endurance base to arrive at the bottom of the climb feeling relatively fresh 3. having the team support to deliver you to the climb having expended as little energy as possible and protecting you on flat stages 4. being able to recover effectively over consecutive days.
If you don't have the first 3 sorted, then #4 becomes far more important.
http://theconversation.edu.au/how-did-amateurs-compare-with-pros-at-the-tour-down-under-11946
When I was a grad student at the AIS, I shared an office with another student who did lots of these analyses on stage races (in particular the TdU). Pauwel's power profile during that stage is typical. Pros spend large chunks of time rolling about at power outputs that most good amateurs could handle, but the difference appears at strategic points in the race eg: breakaways, towards the finish, mtn climbs and ITTs. During these critical moments in the race, pro level riders produce power that is in excess of what the best amateurs can achieve.
IMO winning the tour is about 4 things, 1. having the engine to produce the necessary watts/kg or watts/CdA to put in time gaps (or loose the least amount of time) against your rivals in mtn climbs and TTs respectively, 2. having the endurance base to arrive at the bottom of the climb feeling relatively fresh 3. having the team support to deliver you to the climb having expended as little energy as possible and protecting you on flat stages 4. being able to recover effectively over consecutive days.
If you don't have the first 3 sorted, then #4 becomes far more important.
Krebs cycle said:
Wow! Brilliant stuff. Have you ever considered writing a book with Chris Carmichael?
Have you ever considered not being a troll and using sarcasm in every post you make?BroDeal said:
martinvickers
BANNED
I've got 674 posts in almost 4yrs. BroDeal has >11000. My ignore button is called not being an internet loser with no life and no job who spends all his days making lame sarcastic jokes on a cycling forum.martinvickers said:
Krebs cycle said:
Post counts? That's the best you've got? Your kung fu is weak.
Good ol' Krap Cycle, the Chris Carmichael of The Clinic, spends his time making posts about what it takes to win a GT that are just short of what a ten year old might find inciteful except when he is getting pwnded when trying to prove points with ridiculous uses of old results for races he never watched and is completely unaware of how the race developed. Don't worry. I am sure you will eventually find someone in cycling who manages not to get busted for doping so you can claim you are right.
The first time I read that article, by a PhD (ring a bell?) at CSIRO who did a stint at the AIS (ring a bell?), comparing pros riding in a bunch (apples) to amateurs riding solo (oranges) over the same course, I thought to myself.... this is the kinda stuff .. but I digress.
One month later, we see a link to the article popup.
Incroyable as they say in France.
As for what it takes to win the Tour?
All 4 things Krebs mentions can be helped by doping. And if someone else is doping to boost all 4 things, the likelihood that someone else not doping - ie riding clean - can beat them, approaches 0.
So that's a no.
Pretty sure reading that article is worth about 1000 posts in the clinic in terms of life loss, too.
One month later, we see a link to the article popup.
Incroyable as they say in France.
As for what it takes to win the Tour?
All 4 things Krebs mentions can be helped by doping. And if someone else is doping to boost all 4 things, the likelihood that someone else not doping - ie riding clean - can beat them, approaches 0.
So that's a no.
Pretty sure reading that article is worth about 1000 posts in the clinic in terms of life loss, too.
Well tactics can exploit a weakness in #3.
Luckily you can get your whole A-Team on a program thus eliminating that factor (not that Pereiro/Sastre/Klöden's domestiques were clean).
Luckily you can get your whole A-Team on a program thus eliminating that factor (not that Pereiro/Sastre/Klöden's domestiques were clean).
Gentle(wo)men,
lets keep the baiting, insults, retaliations etc under control shall we? God you sound like four year olds
cheers
bison
lets keep the baiting, insults, retaliations etc under control shall we? God you sound like four year olds
cheers
bison
Krebs cycle said:
What did they award you at the AIS, for coming up with this model. A Batchalor of Arts in stating what is the bleeding obvious!
horsinabout said:
get with the program horsinabout, krebs got a PdD... in exercise physiology I think it was
Krebs cycle said:
Try this experiment. Get a racing bike. Attempt to cycle on average a 100 miles per day for three weeks, over the same course, at the same racing intensity and speed of a three week grand tour.
During that time extract blood samples so that they can be later tested for haematocrit levels. Monitor your testosterone levels etc. Take note of your power levels from the first day to the final day. Use highly trained elite professional cyclists (clean) in this experiment. Compile all the data into a model. Use these results as a yardstick for future comparison (and past) with riders who are racing in three week grand tours.
sittingbison said:
A PdD, for comparing amatures to pro's power output differentials, this extra power can be gained through doping.....now i'm being blown away with science.
sittingbison said:Gentle(wo)men,
lets keep the baiting, insults, retaliations etc under control shall we? God you sound like four year olds
cheers
bison
sittingbison said:
Great example set here by you, 'administrator'
(says Brian, aged 4)
Stating the complete truth. From krebs own numerous acknowledgements.
And you are not even four weeks old Brian, let alone four years... again as stated by the participants (in fact Krebs) in an ugly spat.
And you are not even four weeks old Brian, let alone four years... again as stated by the participants (in fact Krebs) in an ugly spat.
TRENDING THREADS
-
-
Paris - Roubaix 2024, one day monument, April 7- Started by Dreginald
- Replies: 2K
-
-
-
Tour of the Alps 2024 (April 15 - 19)- Started by Devil's Elbow
- Replies: 276
-
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya 2024 (March 18-24)- Started by Devil's Elbow
- Replies: 2K
-
De Ronde van Vlaanderen (270.8 km), 2024 March 31 (Sunday)- Started by Netserk
- Replies: 1K
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram