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armchairclimber said:
Fellas ... we're still on page 1. Have some decorum.
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The Tour Down Under is not a complicated race, especially with no real climbing and the lack of any time trials. UAE sent a solid squad and many stages ( most) are predicted as sprinters stages. Del Toro doesn't need to do anything crazy just stay up and out of trouble and finish with the bunch. UAE has great Spanish speaking fellow riders and staff, so Del Toro is being groomed by some of the best in bike racing.
He has people to ask important questions and get answers, good answers. When you are riding and drinking coffee w Pogocar and other stallions and able to keep up, fit in, you see the confidence he has and it's reinforced by team support. It would be nice for Del Toro to defend the jersey, maybe the race, but it's unlikely his adrenaline will wear off anytime soon. He didn't say anything about being the next big thing, he did not blow his own horn or write anything about how great he is. I am fairly sure that he was scared schitless just a few weeks ago at camp as he is being surrounded by cycling royalty, I see were Contador chimed in on what Pogocar can and should do, which races he should contest. Watch Pog and Matt White ride around talking and eating lunch, guy comes off as humble, hungry and well grounded. Del Toro will look at him for advice and it's likely going to keep him from a swollen head and ego, after all that's a heavy load for going up big climbs. Del Toro should probably ask seasoned veterans when is the best time to piss, at the base of a climb going 30mph is less than ideal!!!! As was said.. It's page one..
For those who don't know, tacos can make you fast!!
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The Tour Down Under is not a complicated race, especially with no real climbing and the lack of any time trials. UAE sent a solid squad and many stages ( most) are predicted as sprinters stages. Del Toro doesn't need to do anything crazy just stay up and out of trouble and finish with the bunch. UAE has great Spanish speaking fellow riders and staff, so Del Toro is being groomed by some of the best in bike racing.
He has people to ask important questions and get answers, good answers. When you are riding and drinking coffee w Pogocar and other stallions and able to keep up, fit in, you see the confidence he has and it's reinforced by team support. It would be nice for Del Toro to defend the jersey, maybe the race, but it's unlikely his adrenaline will wear off anytime soon. He didn't say anything about being the next big thing, he did not blow his own horn or write anything about how great he is. I am fairly sure that he was scared schitless just a few weeks ago at camp as he is being surrounded by cycling royalty, I see were Contador chimed in on what Pogocar can and should do, which races he should contest. Watch Pog and Matt White ride around talking and eating lunch, guy comes off as humble, hungry and well grounded. Del Toro will look at him for advice and it's likely going to keep him from a swollen head and ego, after all that's a heavy load for going up big climbs. Del Toro should probably ask seasoned veterans when is the best time to piss, at the base of a climb going 30mph is less than ideal!!!! As was said.. It's page one..
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Great post. And yes, tacos make me go too!
 
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Somewhere online is his party in Revolution Park in Ensenada, an event held to congratulate him on his big victory last year. An excellent example of his roots and humility.
There are probably some things about his time at Monex, the team he was on before winning L'Avenir.. I am excited to watch his growth.. and I might have to wait a few years but if his horsepower keeps increasing along w his teammates, fun to watch.
In my opinion he has some characteristics of a Cam Meyer or Brad Wiggins, slides a little forward and then generates steady power for a long time. Yesterday his leg speed and acceleration were fan-f-cking-tasic!!!won him the race!!
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
So fanboys are the ones throwing the first punch. At whom would they be throwing this punch then, since there are no haters present (yet)? Imaginary haters? Silent haters? Peaceful-hippie-haters? Or do you mean that simply the existence of fanboys is considered an offence in itself to (yet-to-develop/potential) haters, so they will perceive a rider actually having fans/fanboys to begin with, as a first punch in their direction? A bit like the Simpsons episode where Lisa discovers the smell of nerds is actually what sets off bullies to start bullying. Sensing the presence of fanboys praising their idol is enough fuel for non-fanboys to be considered under attack, and the need to "set things straight" and develop into full-fledged haters from there on out? Something like that?

I remember a time when the Evenepoel, topic was a place where information about the rider was shared and discussed in a normal fashion, simply with people in awe of some of the things he did, others showing interest and wanting to find out more. A lot of news articles being posted (this was a time he was simply a phenomenon in the junior ranks, not a cycling star in the WT, so most articles were in Dutch and not much was found in other media). I can't for the life of me remember "fanboys" attacking non-existent/non-present (as to your proposition) haters a priori. What i do remember is people who started becoming defensive and felt the need to have the fanboys "tone it down a notch". I remember one guy, Der Effe, who pioneered (sorry Netserk) the anti-Evenepoel movement with such conviction that led him to make the following prediction about junior rider Evenepoel in 2018: "Will be a good laugh in a couple of years, after his fading into anomynity". A good laugh was had by all indeed. And not just due his typo. And you will need to forgive fans and fanboys to react to post(er)s like that. They simply are an open invitation.

As to your initial remark, it is obviously false. But i will say this, that after the first few non-silent, non-imaginary, non-peaceful-hippie haters have pooped the party, that neutral posters who voice concerns or offer a critical view, are then often too quickly labelled as haters. That much is true.
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Let's make this another Evenepoel thread. Oh dear, you have been missed. Now given you couldn't comprehend the logic of my simple post, I'll just add that you can split the process up in two steps: the showing up step and then the punch step.
 
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The Mexican Remco.

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No matter which rider the thread is about, it’s always the usual suspects who apparently don’t have enough antagonism to feed off of in the other big rider threads yet, isn’t it?

OT: I cannot believe how well-rounded this guy is given that he had never even seen the pointy end of a U23 or junior race this time last year. Not just the climbing, the rouleur skills and the punch, but also the panache and the ability to read a race are all there already. Even in an era where we’ve seen a bunch of riders be stupidly good at his age, it’s hard to find parallels in that regard.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Saw how he turned Avenir around on the last day. Best thing about him doing well is that it might rekindle the love for the sport in a region that should have plenty of potential.
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There are old kits, bicycles, shoes, helmets and other cycling stuff from Elevate KHS, Jelly Belly, Leigon, Monex, Canel's, Los Angeles, San Diego based bike clubs given to young racers as they start in the sport, and many accomplished racers from Mexico encourage kids to ride,train and race and not get caught up in the rabbit hole of thinking you need the newest and most expensive clothing and equipment to be competitive and proficient on the bike. If you want a great feeling that lasts all day and beyond. Seeing a skinny Mexican kid ripping along on a bicycle, seat post slammed to the bottom, bike way way too big, mismatched clothing again usually many sizes too big and the kids will have an ear to ear grin from having fun. Del Toro effect will be a thing for sure, and seeing him win on TV and seeing the praise from sports media outside his immediate area in Baja California will be a boost for everyone, the sport will benefit for sure..It's only a few big results on the bike for Del Toro but the goodwill and great vibes given off are beyond measure.
* and oh by the way, don't throw away old bicycle stuff, because you think it's useless or out of fashion, someone wants it. Should not have to be rich to race bikes!!
 
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Unchained said:
The Tour Down Under is not a complicated race, especially with no real climbing and the lack of any time trials. UAE sent a solid squad and many stages ( most) are predicted as sprinters stages. Del Toro doesn't need to do anything crazy just stay up and out of trouble and finish with the bunch.
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That may be oversimplifying things a bit. Granted, Willunga Hill is not Alpe d'Huez, but it usually does not provide a bunch sprint. If yesterday's climb is any indication Luke Plapp is going quite well uphill. Del Toro wasn't really in the frame.
 
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* and oh by the way, don't throw away old bicycle stuff, because you think it's useless or out of fashion, someone wants it. Should not have to be rich to race bikes!!
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That may be oversimplifying things a bit. Granted, Willunga Hill is not Alpe d'Huez, but it usually does not provide a bunch sprint. If yesterday's climb is any indication Luke Plapp is going quite well uphill. Del Toro wasn't really in the frame.
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Yeah, I wouldn't hand Del Toro the win yet (but he was very impressive!). In addition to Plapp, Yates will probably also be in the frame for Willunga, and surely some others who seem on great form like Narvaez. Historically there have been some rather large groups not far behind Porte on that climb, but it's very possible for the strongest riders to create race-winning gaps.

As for Del Toro not being there on the climb, however, I did see him quite far back in the peloton when it started.
 
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