Ivan Basso Discussion Thread

[Vino attacks everyone]

I can see Robobasso grinding Rujano of his wheel 9kms from the top at Stelvio

 

[Parrulo]

I can see Robobasso grinding Rujano of his wheel 9kms from the top at Stelvio

robobasso would ride every1 off his wheel on the mortirolo and solo home on the stelvio.

 

[greenedge]

if at 2010 level,it will be extremely difficult to win it.rujano last year was above that level and scarponi equal to that.the performances of this spring suggest that this year they will probably climb faster the mountains then in 2010 which was more "meh".so he has to step up his game now

2011 tour was a disaster waiting to happen,something happened after that crash on etna,loss of blood,something medical.he had nothing left for the alps in the last week

I thought Basso 2010 was really quite good. If on the form from 2010 he would have been closer to Contador than Scarponi if he participated.

I was annoyed by that Etna crash as well but during the 2nd week in the Pyrennes he seemed like he would ride away with the TDF in the 3rd week- because he said stuff about his stamina ( which failed because of the Etna incident ).

 

[greenedge]

Last year Contador dominated the Giro but not the Tour, whereas the previous year Evans was dropped by Basso in the Giro, was nowhere in the Tour,

He did crash ( it's not like in 09 when he failed ).

 

[BillytheKid]

So Basso to the Giro....Nibali for the Tour then?

If so, does Nibali race the Cali? He would be a favorite there, but I would say not such a good idea if he is serious about the TdF.

 

[Pippo_San]

So Basso to the Giro....Nibali for the Tour then?

If so, does Nibali race the Cali? He would be a favorite there, but I would say not such a good idea if he is serious about the TdF.

I don't think he'll waste too many energies in Cali, he'll be there mainly for the sponsor, and it has to be like that considering that his season has already been awesome so far.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I thought Basso 2010 was really quite good. If on the form from 2010 he would have been closer to Contador than Scarponi if he participated.

I was annoyed by that Etna crash as well but during the 2nd week in the Pyrennes he seemed like he would ride away with the TDF in the 3rd week- because he said stuff about his stamina ( which failed because of the Etna incident ).

Basso in 2010 was excellent!
It would blow the race apart this year if he could come in that form.

 

[hfer07]

So Basso to the Giro....Nibali for the Tour then?

If so, does Nibali race the Cali? He would be a favorite there, but I would say not such a good idea if he is serious about the TdF.

Nibali will do AToC, Dauphine & Tour. He just cannot keep skipping the Tour for ever, & as soon as Basso fades into retirement, he'll be the front man for Liquigas- -believe it or not -he might do something good this year, before Contador takes over from 2013 onwards...

 

[cineteq]

Nibali will do AToC, Dauphine & Tour. He just cannot keep skipping the Tour for ever, & as soon as Basso fades into retirement, he'll the front man for Liquigas

he already IS the front man of Liquigas

 

[hfer07]

he already IS the front man of Liquigas

Peter Sagan might disagree with you


we know he's the sole leader & the entire team should be at his disposal from now on....

 

[rhubroma]

He did crash ( it's not like in 09 when he failed ).

That's true, but 09 also lends itself to the point I was attempting to make.

 

[iZnoGouD]

Ivan Basso wins Giro-Tour this year

 

[will10]

Ivan Basso wins Giro-Tour this year

That will be tricky considering he isn't riding the Tour this year.

 

[rhubroma]

That will be tricky considering he isn't riding the Tour this year.

That's not to be excluded. It all depends on what he does in the Giro. If he wins, there's a strong chance he will be at the Tour. If he doesn't then he probably won't be, however, the team and the rider have not excluded a priori his possible presence at the Tour. Nibali is also aware of perhaps having to share leadership roles if Ivan does the Tour.

I think with so many klicks in time trials at the Tour this year, Basso realizes that he has to feel in exceptional form to line up in France. Although it's the same for Andy Shleck. This race propably favors Evans on paper, though without Contador there's room for surprises for sure.

 

[Gloin22]

That's not to be excluded. It all depends on what he does in the Giro. If he wins, there's a strong chance he will be at the Tour. If he doesn't then he probably won't be, however, the team and the rider have not excluded a priori his possible presence at the Tour. Nibali is also aware of perhaps having to share leadership roles if Ivan does the Tour.

I think with so many klicks in time trials at the Tour this year, Basso realizes that he has to feel in exceptional form to line up in France. Although it's the same for Andy Shleck. This race propably favors Evans on paper, though without Contador there's room for surprises for sure.

IF Contador couldn't do it. Basso WILL NOT certainly. 'nuff said I think.

 

[rhubroma]

IF Contador couldn't do it. Basso WILL NOT certainly. 'nuff said I think.

Before responding why don't you read first what I said. I wasn't talking about him winning, but participating.

While his terrible performance in today's time trial (ToR) means he practically hasn't got a chance of winning in France, no matter what he does in the Giro.

 

[The Hitch]

IF Contador couldn't do it. Basso WILL NOT certainly. 'nuff said I think.

More to the point Basso couldn't do it in 2010 with far more favourable circumstances.

But rhubruma wasn't talking about him winning and im pretty sure iZnoGouD was joking

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Nibali: Basso is on the right track for Giro d'Italia

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-basso-is-on-the-right-track-for-giro-ditalia

 

[jens_attacks]

the sovietic training from teide as ivan called it,i hope it will make him strong for the final week,we need strong contenders in this giro.those "too low to be published" training data i hope it will make miracles.it will be interesting to see no doubt

 

[Parrulo]

Nibali: Basso is on the right track for Giro d'Italia

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nibali-basso-is-on-the-right-track-for-giro-ditalia

oh i bet ivan will be smiling 2010 style at the giro

 

[Caruut]

IF Contador couldn't do it. Basso WILL NOT certainly. 'nuff said I think.

No, but I'm sure he could certainly take a MTF stage win in the manner than Vanendert and Rolland did last year - being far enough out of contention that you are not worth marking, especially not if you're going to just drag Nibali up far enough for him to attack.

If he feels fit enough to do that after the Giro, he would certainly be worth having at the Tour, both for stages and for some help for Nibali in the mountains. What I definitely wouldn't do is let him think that he is in any way joint leader of the team - Nibali should be the sole leader.

 

[webbie146]

No, but I'm sure he could certainly take a MTF stage win in the manner than Vanendert and Rolland did last year - being far enough out of contention that you are not worth marking, especially not if you're going to just drag Nibali up far enough for him to attack.

If he feels fit enough to do that after the Giro, he would certainly be worth having at the Tour, both for stages and for some help for Nibali in the mountains. What I definitely wouldn't do is let him think that he is in any way joint leader of the team - Nibali should be the sole leader.

Wouldn't it be smarter for Basso to ride the Vuelta?

 

[Caruut]

Wouldn't it be smarter for Basso to ride the Vuelta?

Aye, true, but he's only ridden it once before. Just had a cursory look at the Liquigas roster, and apart from Nibali and Basso, they don't really have a guy with any GT pedigree. If they want to go for the overall at the Vuelta, Basso has to ride it, but they might prefer just to go for stages with someone like Viviani. Also not sure what Basso would prefer - one last Tour hurrah or an attempt at the Vuelta?

 

[WKA311]

I voted No because i think his time is over and his performances at romandie were also not very encouraging.
But if he would win this it would be a nice last GT victory for him

 

[karlboss]

Wouldn't it be smarter for Basso to ride the Vuelta?

If liquigas was my team, it'd be Basso Giro to win, Tour to pull super domestique duties with Szmyd.
Nibali for the Tour win, and the Vuelta to see what he has left. The other option is Basso Giro for the win, Vuelta co captain with Nibali.