Jan Ullrich

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Race Radio said:
And the Vuelta too.....Jan did not like the cold or the rain :)

It is too bad that Jan's tactical acumen was never developed. The tactics of the day had the Tour decided by a few Mountain top finish. "Tactics" were replaced by Watt/kg

Jan showed flashes of brilliance in a few German races and the 2000 Olympic road race, it would have been interesting to see how he would have done in the classics
Loved watching Jan ride.
When the temps soared he would thrive...others wilted.
He is the one rider I miss most of all....
 
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Merckx index said:
2) by raising it to 50%, he would increase his V02 max about 7%
Is this what Armstrong, Ullrich, Pantani, etc were doing? They weren't raising it to 60% instead? I was under the impression that it was really easy, especially for Armstrong, to saline down below 50% just before the tests.
 
Aug 13, 2009
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Merckx index said:
All of these values were above 40, except for one value of 38.2 at the end of the Giro, when a lower than natural HT is expected because of plasma expansion.

The mean HT value for LA is close to the average, which is in the range of 42-44.
Nope, Lance own numbers had his off season baseline as 39-40

JV has a pretty good example of how to gain 10% in this post
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=501372&postcount=12
 
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Sorry Franklin

I didn't write that sentence properly :
It was meant to be in context with obligatory visits , US appearances races etc. for fans and sponsors and anything else that could be marketed including the bike industry as a whole .
Nothing suspicious just a matter of job related appearances as any pro would do. Then there is family and other issues that need to be dealt with. etc.
 
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stainlessguy1 said:
Sorry Franklin

I didn't write that sentence properly :
It was meant to be in context with obligatory visits , US appearances races etc. for fans and sponsors and anything else that could be marketed including the bike industry as a whole .
Nothing suspicious just a matter of job related appearances as any pro would do. Then there is family and other issues that need to be dealt with. etc.
No need to be sorry, I understood what you meant and we agree ;)

On a side note, did he actually race in the USA besides the Coors Classic when he was a Euro-pro? AFAIK his sponsor obligations were pretty much in Europe?
 
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Franklin said:
No need to be sorry, I understood what you meant and we agree ;)

On a side note, did he actually race in the USA besides the Coors Classic when he was a Euro-pro? AFAIK his sponsor obligations were pretty much in Europe?
yes true, Euro sponsors , I don't know how many races he raced in the States , but it does take time out of a Euro schedule even if its a few. \
It does however promote the sport and brings it home too the fans.
Remembering how cycling was on an upswing back then, it was very important.
 
Apr 20, 2012
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Neworld said:
I will never say that Jan raced as much as GL.

But your commentary that he raced one month a year is wrong. Jan certainly raced more than Lancey, and attended the Worlds and Olympics in multiple years.

Do some research.
1997:
* Challenge Mallorca 1997 - 5 stages - 14.02.1997
1. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) Once 16.58.03
10. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom + 1.04

* Vuelta Ciclista a la Communidad Valenciana 1997 - 6 stages
Last TT of 20 km:
1. Boardman (England) 23:16 min,
2. Dominguez (Spanien) 0:12 min zur.,
3. de las Cuevas (Frankreich) 0:36,
10. Ullrich (Merdingen) 0:57

GC:
1. Dominguez 20:42:44,
2. de las Cuevas 0:24 min zur.,
3. Moreau (Frankreich) 0:26,
30. Ullrich 2:29

* 23.03.1997 Milan San Remo
35. Ullrich

* Setmana Catalana de Ciclismo 1997
24-03-1997 - 28-03-1997
GC
1. Dominguez 21:47:49 h,
2. Zülle 4 s zur.;
3. Jekimow (Rußland) 24,
16. Ullrich 58.

* Vuelta Ciclista al País Vasco
07-04-1997 - 11-04-1997
GC
1. Alex ZULLE (Sui) 859.5 km en 22h36'40"
2. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) à 32"
3. Marco Pantani (Ita) à 44"
21. Jan Ullrich (All) à 2'00"

* Vuelta Ciclista a Aragón 1997
16-04-1997 - 20-04-1997
GC
1. Aitor Garmendia (Esp) Once 20.37.27
2. Mikel Zarrabeitia (Esp) Once + 0.21
3. Abraham Olano (Esp) Banesto + 0.45
9. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom + 3.06

* Rund um den Henninger Turm 1-5-1997
1. Michele BARTOLI (Ita) en 4h53'30"
9. Jan Ullrich (All) à 4'09"

* GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen 1997 4-5-1997 [?]
1 Udo Bolts, 196 km - 4.37'07"
11. Jan Ullrich (Ger)

* Classique des Alpes 1997
07-06-1997
1 Laurent Roux FRA
2 Laurent Madouas FRA
3 José Maria Jimenez Sastre ESP
7 Ullrich

* Tour de Suisse
17-06-1997 - 26-06-1997
GC
1 Christophe Agnolutto FRA in 37h 48m 01s
2 Oscar Camenzind SUI op 02m 08s
3 Jan Ullrich GER op 04m 20s

It is fair to say Jan had a decent build up to the Tour for 1997.

1998:
* Vuelta Ciclista a la Communidad Valenciana
24-02-1998 - 28-02-1998
1. CHANTEUR, Pascal FRA CASINO 21.50.19
2. HAMBURGER, Bo NED CASINO gl.Z.
3. GONZALEZ, Santos ESP KELME-COSTA BLANCA
97. ULRICH, Jan GER TELEKOM 25.18

* Tirreno - Adriatico
11-03-1998 - 18-03-1998
Ullrich abandons on the first stage due to the flue.

* Setmana Catalana de Ciclismo
23-03-1998 - 27-03-1998
No GC for Jan due to a reported fall.

* Vuelta Ciclista al País Vasco
06-04-1998 - 10-04-1998
1. Inigo Cuesta (Spa) ONCE 23.37.47
2. Laurent Jalabert (France) ONCE 0.03
3. Alex Zulle (Swi) Festina 1.36

Ullrich abandons at stage 3.
GC after Stage 2:
1. Laurent Jalabert (Frae) ONCE 9.58.51
2. Francesco Casagrande (Ita) Cofidis s.t.
3. Valdimir Belli (Italy) Festina s.t.
153. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom 29.32

* Klasika Primavera
12-04-1998
Ullrich abandons.

* Vuelta Ciclista a Aragón
15-04-1998 - 19-04-1998
GC
1. Garmendia 20:14:23 h,
2. Clavero 5 s zur,
3. Cuesta (alle Spanien) 36,
4. Piepoli (Italien) 38,
5. Beltran (Spanien) 46,
6. Donati (Italien) 56, ...
78. Ullrich 34:16,

Newspaper headlines:
Ullrich weit zurück
Ullrich und Riis wieder weit zurück

* GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen
03-05-1998
56. Jan Ulrich (All) at 1 minute 40

* Bicicleta Vasca,
27-05-1998 - 31-05-1998
GC
1. Abraham Olano (Esp) Banesto 17.28:33
2. Aitor Garmendia (Esp) Banesto +0:25
3. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) ONCE +0:25
24. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +5:11

TT
1. Abraham Olano (Esp) Banesto 17:12,62 (51,947km/h)
10. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +0:42

* Vuelta Castilla y Leon
01-06-1998 - 04-06-1998
TT
1. Uwe Peschel (Ger) Estepona 19:49 (48,444km/h)
2. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +0:04
3. Melchor Mauri (Esp) ONCE +0:12
4. Aitor Garmendia (Esp) Banesto +0:18
5. Víctor Peña (Esp) Avianca +0:21

GC
1. Aitor Garmendia (Esp) Banesto 15.40:58
2. Angel Luis Casero (Esp) Vitalicio 15.42:03
3. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom 15.42:24

* Classique des Alpes
06-06-1998
1. Jalabert (Frankreich) 4:57:51 h,
2. Casagrande (Italien) gleiche Zeit,
3. Salmon (Frankreich) 1 s zurück,
4. Teterjuk (Kasachstan) 1:12 min zurück,
9. Robin (Frankreich) 1:44,
10. Virenque (Frankreich),
14. Ullrich (Merdingen),
20. Olano (Spanien) alle gleiche Zeit

* Tour de Suisse
16-06-1998 - 25-06-1998
GC
1. GARZELLI Stefano (Ita) Mercatone Uno-Bianchi6 37.06.26
10. ULLRICH Jan (Ger) Team Deutsche Telekom 4.57

3rd in prologue and TT, both won by TT specialist Jalabert ;)

* Route du Sud
27-06-1998 - 30-06-1998
TT
7,4 km in Saint-Gaudens:
1. Moreau 8:25 min, 2.
N. Jalabert 0:17 min zurück,
3. Jonker (Niederlande) 0:18,
4. Gaumont (Frankreich),
5. Julich (USA) 0:23,
6. Brochard gleiche Zeit, :D
7. Maignan (Frankreich) 0:25,
8. Zülle 0:26,
9. Virenque gleiche Zeit, :D
10. Desbiens 0:27,
11. Ullrich gleiche Zeit

GC
1. Armand DE LAS CUEVAS (Fra) en 17h30'57"
2. Michael Boogerd (Hol) à 1'04"
3. Santiago Blanco (Esp) à 1'07"
4. Jan Ullrich (All) à 1'12"

* National Championships
05-07-1998
1 Erik Zabel GER in 05h 09m 12s
2 Jan Ullrich GER 07s
3 Jörg Jaksche GER 03m 01s

In all fairness, you will have to agree, a different buildup to the Tour de France if you ask me, overdid the last two month.

1999:
* Challenge Mallorca 1999
5 stages?
Ullrich has the flue, reportedly

* 18.02.1999
''Rad-Profi Jan Ullrich hat sein Training auf Mallorca wegen einer starken Bronchitis abgebrochen und ist nach Deutschland zurückgekehrt.''

* Setmana Catalana de Ciclismo
22-03-1999 - 26-03-1999
2. Etappe über 169 km von Lloret de Mar nach Castello d Empuries:
1. Pantani (Italien) 3:56:41 Stunden,
2. Boogerd (Niederlande),
3. Möller (Dänemark),
4. Belli (Italien),
5. Botero (Kolumbien),
6. Aebersold (Schweiz) alle gleiche Zeit,
139. Ullrich (Merdingen) 17:48

Ullrich abondons on stage 4 due to a fall.

* Vuelta Ciclista al País Vasco
05-04-1999 - 09-04-1999
Ullrich abondons before the TT stating:
"Ich bin bei den vier schweren Bergetappen gut mitgefahren und habe nicht zuviel Zeit verloren"
GC after those mountains:
1. Laurent Jalabert (Fra) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 18.37.59
75. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom 24.24

* Klasika Primavera
11-04-1999
1. Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca 4.53.49
Ullrich abandons

* Vuelta Ciclista a Aragón
14-04-1999 - 18-04-1999
Endstand:
1. Dominguez 20:42:41 h,
2. Jimenez (beide Spanien) 1 s zur.,
3. Piepoli (Italien) 6,
25. Zabel 6:24 min, Alldag, Ullrich gl. Zeit.

* Amstel Gold Race
24-04-1999
55. Jan Ullrich (Ger) 9'20"

* Trentino
26-04-1999 - 29-04-1999
51. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +13:14

* Rund um den Henninger Turm
2-5-1999

* Bayern Rundfahrt
20-05-1999 - 24-05-1999
1 Rolf Aldag GER in 20h 23m 37s
2 Svein Gaute Hølestøl NOR 20s
3 Torsten Schmidt GER 26s
14 ULLRICH, Jan TEL GER 20.18

TT:
1. Martin Rittsel (Swe) Chicky World 18:18;47
2. Rolf Aldag (Ger) Telekom +0,08;48
3. Torsten Schmidt (Ger) Chicky World +0,32;02
4. Robert Bartko (Ger) Radteam Berlin +0,32;54
5. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +0,32;80

* Deutschland Tour
28-05-1999 - 03-06-1999
Abandons at stage 3 after a fall.

* Tour de Suisse
15-06-1999 - 24-06-1999
Ullrich abandons at stage 2 with knee problems. Does not ride the Tour.

* Vuelta Castilla y Leon
01-08-1999 - 05-08-1999
stage one: Ullrich (Merdingen) 9:02 min zuruck
stage two: 93. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom +28:20

have no information on an abandony

* HEW Cyclassics Cup - Hamburg (253 km) 15/08/1999
97. ULLRICH Jan TEL 03'05"

* Tour of Holland
24-08-1999 - 28-08-1999
TT
1. Sergeï Gontsjar (Ukr) 30'52''
2. Dylan Casey (USA) 17''
3. Jonathan Vaughters (USA) 17''
4. Enrico Cassani (I) 23''
5. Jan Ullrich (D) 30''

GC
7. Jan Ullrich (D) 30"

And then onto win the Vuelta.

When I have time I will go on for 2000 and onwards but it is fair to say from 1998 onwards Jan had a few issues in the lead up to GT's and in a few weeks time was on top of his form. Or, also possible, Jan decided only to use EPO for his important month of the year?
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
When I have time I will go on for 2000 and onwards but it is fair to say from 1998 onwards Jan had a few issues in the lead up to GT's and in a few weeks time was on top of his form. Or, also possible, Jan decided only to use EPO for his important month of the year?
Superbe info!

It's interesting to see that in 97-98 he had such a different build up (1999 is a bit dificult to compare due to his health). I'm betting you will see that the next years will be more like 98, but if you have the time it's interesting.

I remain sceptical it says anything about doping though, considering known dopers have a much more spread out schedule. I guess it shows the problems Jan had.

On the Epo decision... I doubt that. I don't believe Jan was having qualms about using doping. If anyone decided it it will have been his personal trainer/doctor.
 
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Race Radio said:
I havent heard Teteriouk, Hoshovd, Boardman wanting their weldeserved medals. Off course that is assuming Ekimov was doping at that time. An educated guess is that of course.

You of course are right but lets face it, who should be given Jan's medal? Jalabert? The next on the list, Teteriuk? Hushovd? Gonzalez Capilla? Honchar? Big lol there by the way.

Let him have his silly medal. That whole era was a joke.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
I havent heard Teteriouk, Hoshovd, Boardman wanting their weldeserved medals. Off course that is assuming Ekimov was doping at that time. An educated guess is that of course.

You of course are right but lets face it, who should be given Jan's medal? Jalabert? The next on the list, Teteriuk? Hushovd? Gonzalez Capilla? Honchar? Big lol there by the way.

Let him have his silly medal. That whole era was a joke.


They haven't given the bronze to anyone else so why should they do it with the silver? Cheaters don't deserve medals. If they haven't understood that by the time they reach 40 they need to go back to kindergarten and have their toys taken away from them.
 
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neineinei said:
They haven't given the bronze to anyone else so why should they do it with the silver? Cheaters don't deserve medals. If they haven't understood that by the time they reach 40 they need to go back to kindergarten and have their toys taken away from them.
You are of course right.

Yet my point stands. Why havent the clean riders of that time come forward and say ''hey, I was clean there, that is my medal!''. I personly would be pretty pee offed and would speak up. It also could be the case there were not a lot of clean ones in the pelotoon at that time. One of the cleaner ones in the TT would be Hushovd, riding for Credit Agricole and all, we have not heard from him. Maybe in the future.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Let him have his silly medal. That whole era was a joke.


Yeah let's give him the medal - what does an Olympic medal mean anyway? It isn't the pinnacle of sporting achievement anyway, so why should the fact that he cheated to gain it matter as to whether he should retain it or not? :rolleyes:
 
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darwin553 said:
what does an Olympic medal mean anyway? It isn't the pinnacle of sporting achievement anyway
Perhaps for you. To me the Olympics are just a silly once in four years escapede of nationalistic and commercial BS.

But hey, opinions differ.
 
darwin553 said:
Yeah let's give him the medal - what does an Olympic medal mean anyway? It isn't the pinnacle of sporting achievement anyway, so why should the fact that he cheated to gain it matter as to whether he should retain it or not? :rolleyes:
Should work either way. If the medal is worthless, why isn't he giving it back?
 
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Perhaps for you. To me the Olympics are just a silly once in four years escapede of nationalistic and commercial BS.

But hey, opinions differ.
Yes and the IOC is a cove of mendacious, corrupt and sanctimonious hypocrites.

Ullrich should be forced to hand in his medals, only if he is sanctioned for doping during those games. Yet, for the German's own psyche, handing them over would probably be cathartic. In this sense, perhaps he's got more to lose than gain in keeping them.

What some people want to see in the Olympics as a "noble and virtuous" expression of athletics is their own business.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
I havent heard Teteriouk, Hoshovd, Boardman wanting their weldeserved medals. Off course that is assuming Ekimov was doping at that time. An educated guess is that of course.

You of course are right but lets face it, who should be given Jan's medal? Jalabert? The next on the list, Teteriuk? Hushovd? Gonzalez Capilla? Honchar? Big lol there by the way.

Let him have his silly medal. That whole era was a joke.


The IOC would chose not to give it to anyone, but i don't really care about medals.

What I do care about is the myth of the level playing field. It was not level, not even close.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
I havent heard Teteriouk, Hoshovd, Boardman wanting their weldeserved medals. Off course that is assuming Ekimov was doping at that time. An educated guess is that of course.

You of course are right but lets face it, who should be given Jan's medal? Jalabert? The next on the list, Teteriuk? Hushovd? Gonzalez Capilla? Honchar? Big lol there by the way.

Let him have his silly medal. That whole era was a joke.


I agree.

The whole sport is still a joke. But Ullrich could be holding on to his medals as a F**K YOU to the IOC, UCI and others. He might as well, they only go into a vault, supposedly, no reason not to guess that someone in IOC would sell them.
 
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Alpechraxler said:
I wouldn't wonder if he already remelt the medal and sold the pure gold. Ulrich is such a poor scapegoat in germany..
Der Kaiser may have lerarned something from The Mighty Vroomie: those medals won't be stripped from me in 10, 20 or 40 years.
 

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