Jennie Longo pulls a Rasmussen

[fatandfast]

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"
Especially Federal Crimes.

Wonderboy reference in 7..6..5..4..3..2..1

I think you are making a Baretta ref.
Something about this is fishy, just the sequence is off. Nobody in the French fed or other national team riders have cell phone numbers for Longo and love coach? Nobody could lift the phone and call the race promoter in Ft Collins and ask if they know her location. Nobody called the US fed who is right up the street? If the bet were right I could find her by making 6 or 8 calls and emails.

The UCI is hiding something they just don't want a big explosion before Denmark. The Papp connection appears more to be the cause rather than the rider location rule. Her late check in or complete unknown whereabouts and the sudden Papp emails are way to concise for the UCI.
Papp is punked over and over because his legacy is like cycling herpes it just keeps flaring up after he has said he is sorry after our accidental infection. The guy didn't write new emails he is only regurging some old ones. Yes the anger rises up as we scrape off the doping scab but it's not really Joe's fault.

 

[BigBoat]

I think Polish is angry, because he thinks Papp is selling out all his clients for $$$. Maybe he is NOT, maybe he is. But its not like Papp is shoveling bodies into a fire pit somewhere.

Longo is not facing any "time" no? A suspension from cycling is no big deal. There's far, FAR more to life than racing a bike..... The world is a big place.... Longo will find something to do with herself besides racing. She's been a Pro cyclist for 30 years+, its time to move on anyways.

I know another one of Papp's "sales" has moved on. He'd doing great.

A suspension from the bicycle is not "the end!!!"

Alot of these people need to put life in proper perspective. Their lucky as it is to have raced as pros, especially Longo & another much higher profile....aka, Mr. Live strong.....He has had more than any professional athlete could have ever hoped for. A doping conviction is not "the end".

There's far worse out there in the world.....

 

[usedtobefast]

A few months ago you made some unwarranted damaging insinuations against the husband-wife team.

Now is your opportunity to say more or just shut up.

Sure, Jeannie Longo needs cycling to exist, but at least she has gathered some successes on the way.

What do you need to exist? : sell dope? denigrate your clients or pretend some stars are your clients?

a big oops on your part

 

[MarkvW]

I think you are making a Baretta ref.
Something about this is fishy, just the sequence is off. Nobody in the French fed or other national team riders have cell phone numbers for Longo and love coach? Nobody could lift the phone and call the race promoter in Ft Collins and ask if they know her location. Nobody called the US fed who is right up the street? If the bet were right I could find her by making 6 or 8 calls and emails.

The UCI is hiding something they just don't want a big explosion before Denmark. The Papp connection appears more to be the cause rather than the rider location rule. Her late check in or complete unknown whereabouts and the sudden Papp emails are way to concise for the UCI.
Papp is punked over and over because his legacy is like cycling herpes it just keeps flaring up after he has said he is sorry after our accidental infection. The guy didn't write new emails he is only regurging some old ones. Yes the anger rises up as we scrape off the doping scab but it's not really Joe's fault.

Could the timing of this new disclosure POSSIBLY be related to Mr. Papp's upcoming sentencing date?

 

[usedtobefast]

Lets try to keep this on the topic of Longo's current situation rather than expanding into character assassinations of Joe...

Joe has his own thread elsewhere.

thank you.

 

[Le breton]

a big oops on your part

Yes, but I much prefer to see Papp come out almost in the open on this story than making vague insinuations.

Of course I can't help but wonder why he speaks loudly about it now when in fact he already had given all the info to the US authorities.
Remember that due to statute of limitations Ciprelli won't really have too much to worry about.

Now, Edwidge Pitel - who beat Longo in the French TT championship in 2007 - ie when Ciprelli was her trainer (as well as Longo trainer) is all upset because that's soon after the alledged eposino sale to Ciprelli. A fact that was pointed out in L'Equipe.

PS : I have made a number of disparaging comments on Papp, but I certainly acknowledge that it takes some courage to intervene on a forum such as this one under his real name.

 

[usedtobefast]

Missed tests when she was over 50 years old.
Targeted by AARP.

This is another high profile witch hunt.
Very sad and very stupid.

Jeannie4ever.

maybe you could try Decafe

 

[Polish]

I think Polish is angry, because he thinks Papp is selling out all his clients for $$$. Maybe he is NOT, maybe he is. But its not like Papp is shoveling bodies into a fire pit somewhere.

It would hardly even matter if Joe shovelled Jeannie into a fire pit.
Jeannie would briefly think "what a ****", then hammer her way right out of that pit.
Grrrr Hammer Grrrr.

Jeannie4Ever.

 

[LarryBudMelman]

normally spared for their printed edition, l’equipe on-line has published a series of devastating details including an interview with papp and hard copies of compromising e-mails.

Papp et Ciprelli sortent de l'ombre
(papp and ciprelli revealed)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_212148_papp-et-ciprelli-sortent-de-l-ombre.html

«J'ai vendu de l'EPO à Ciprelli»
(papp,‘I sold epo to ciprelli’)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_214549_-j-ai-vendu-de-l-epo-a-ciprelli.html

Les mails qui accusent
(compromising correspondence)
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110912_235610_les-mails-qui-accusent.html

Betsy!!!!!!

 

[joe_papp]

I did not provide any documents to l'equipe

From what I can gather, Joe was busted for his internet EPO/GH online operation back in 2006-2007.

I can't find any details of how this all came about though. Are there any legal public records online, docket etc..for a case against him? I would assume his "meetings" and some deals being worked on and leniency was based off the internet operation and sale of goods for larger purposes law enforcement deemed more important than just him.

In that case, the Feds/law enforcement assumeably would have asked for a subpoena to take control and seize the web site/domain, his business records, email correspondance and such. But also, it appears Joe has kept all of these records himself for some personal reasons and has copies also still?

Maybe he operated the site offshore while living in the US? And those records
we unobtainable from an offshore operation that doesn't have to answer to a subpoena and judicial order in the US. But I would assume he gave it all up,
his document/records/emails for some kind of deal and offer to help law
enforcement and be a good alter boy now.


Accprding to Papp (in today s l equipe, I read the full interview) US authorities have all his docs/paperwork around his EPO salea business. Hence they know a lot. Apparently a court decision will be taken next month ( Joe, can you please confirm), and, Joe, you seem to be sh.t scared about the outcome (up to 10 years jail???).

As i understand it's Ressiot from l Equipe who contacted Papp and gave him half of the infos (it is well known Ressiot has famtastiv contacts with French AFLD - anti doping agency). Once questioned by Ressiot, and as Ressiot is a pro, he must have asked if Papp can prove what he is saying. So Papp sent him copies of mails, copies that have been handed over to US authorities ages ago.

Might even be USADA targetted Longo in the States for unexpected control, because they were aware of these transactions

Because it sure is interesting how 4yr old emails just magically appear between Joe and Ciprelli after he was busted for internet sales of illegal drugs. Your average online internet dealer would be thrown in jail, prosecuted and sentenced to prison. You would never hear much of this anywhere.

My sentencing is currently scheduled for 21 October. It's been delayed for a total of ... 19 months ... for various reasons and suddenly I can imagine it being delayed again but I really just want to get it over, kind of.

I am scared to death, of course, and especially fear being incarcerated in a federal prison for 10 years and being sexually-brutalized or otherwise subjected to sanctioned violence or other depravities that characterize much of the US prison system according to my research.

Concerning the evidence/emails - and please take note of this - I DID NOT PROVIDE ANY NEW EVIDENCE TO L'EQUIPE NOR DID I CATALYZE THEIR INVESTIGATION OR OTHERWISE ENCOURAGE IT. I only learned of it when it was basically complete and simply confirmed for them details of my own criminal case that they put to me, which involved Ciprelli. I did not even provide them with the emails, which they already had before they contacted me.

 

[Oldman]

My sentencing is currently scheduled for 21 October. It's been delayed for a total of ... 19 months ... for various reasons and suddenly I can imagine it being delayed again but I really just want to get it over, kind of.

I am scared to death, of course, and especially fear being incarcerated in a federal prison for 10 years and being sexually-brutalized or otherwise subjected to sanctioned violence or other depravities that characterize much of the US prison system according to my research.

Concerning the evidence/emails - and please take note of this - I DID NOT PROVIDE ANY NEW EVIDENCE TO L'EQUIPE NOR DID I CATALYZE THEIR INVESTIGATION OR OTHERWISE ENCOURAGE IT. I only learned of it when it was basically complete and simply confirmed for them details of my own criminal case that they put to me, which involved Ciprelli. I did not even provide them with the emails, which they already had before they contacted me.

I appreciate your fears for your future. Can't say anything you've been involved in should net you violence as a punishment and hope it doesn't happen...

On the subject of Ciprelli: do you think this information came via your direct investigation or some Interpol/International leak of that testimony after it was recieved by them?

 

[greenhulk]

who cares about joe papp or whatever, the lady looks like she is 90 years old, why anyone doesn't see anything abnormal about that

 

[Cloxxki]

who cares about joe papp or whatever, the lady looks like she is 90 years old, why anyone doesn't see anything abnormal about that

Does HGH not work for women the way it does for men? It couldn't be detected until recently, so why would she NOT be on it, if she was on hardcore EPO?

 

[greenhulk]

Does HGH not work for women the way it does for men? It couldn't be detected until recently, so why would she NOT be on it, if she was on hardcore EPO?

I think you are missing the point. Longo is 52 years old, don't you think its time to start thinking about other stuff, besides race results? She looks 10-20 years older than she is. Who cares about race results, or what shes on

 

[Adamastor]

My sentencing is currently scheduled for 21 October. It's been delayed for a total of ... 19 months ... for various reasons and suddenly I can imagine it being delayed again but I really just want to get it over, kind of.

I am scared to death, of course, and especially fear being incarcerated in a federal prison for 10 years and being sexually-brutalized or otherwise subjected to sanctioned violence or other depravities that characterize much of the US prison system according to my research.

Concerning the evidence/emails - and please take note of this - I DID NOT PROVIDE ANY NEW EVIDENCE TO L'EQUIPE NOR DID I CATALYZE THEIR INVESTIGATION OR OTHERWISE ENCOURAGE IT. I only learned of it when it was basically complete and simply confirmed for them details of my own criminal case that they put to me, which involved Ciprelli. I did not even provide them with the emails, which they already had before they contacted me.

Joe, I don't know you, and I must admit I have not been following your career, nor your case. I simply wish you good luck in your future life.

 

[frenchfry]

Failed as a racer , then failed as a " dealer " !

Are these "relevations " about trying to stay out of jail ?

Frankly i never believed flandis from the friday's ride thru to the confession on how he tried to " con us all "!

If there is a book here i will wait til it is remaindered at 1c a copy before i even touch it !

Thrown enough mud yet paap to save your kneck ?

Right on Skippy.

I too would prefer that Joe share stories about riding with the wonderful stars of cycling than pointing out their doping habits.

Why all that anger directed at Floyd, wouldn't he ride with you?

 

[Adamastor]

From what I can gather, Joe was busted for his internet EPO/GH online operation back in 2006-2007.

I can't find any details of how this all came about though. Are there any legal public records online, docket etc..for a case against him? I would assume his "meetings" and some deals being worked on and leniency was based off the internet operation and sale of goods for larger purposes law enforcement deemed more important than just him.

In that case, the Feds/law enforcement assumeably would have asked for a subpoena to take control and seize the web site/domain, his business records, email correspondance and such. But also, it appears Joe has kept all of these records himself for some personal reasons and has copies also still?

Maybe he operated the site offshore while living in the US? And those records
we unobtainable from an offshore operation that doesn't have to answer to a subpoena and judicial order in the US. But I would assume he gave it all up,
his document/records/emails for some kind of deal and offer to help law
enforcement and be a good alter boy now.

Accprding to Papp (in today s l equipe, I read the full interview) US authorities have all his docs/paperwork around his EPO salea business. Hence they know a lot. Apparently a court decision will be taken next month ( Joe, can you please confirm), and, Joe, you seem to be sh.t scared about the outcome (up to 10 years jail???).

As i understand it's Ressiot from l Equipe who contacted Papp and gave him half of the infos (it is well known Ressiot has famtastiv contacts with French AFLD - anti doping agency). Once questioned by Ressiot, and as Ressiot is a pro, he must have asked if Papp can prove what he is saying. So Papp sent him copies of mails, copies that have been handed over to US authorities ages ago.

Might even be USADA targetted Longo in the States for unexpected control, because they were aware of these transactions

Because it sure is interesting how 4yr old emails just magically appear between Joe and Ciprelli after he was busted for internet sales of illegal drugs. Your average online internet dealer would be thrown in jail, prosecuted and sentenced to prison. You would never hear much of this anywhere.

Somehow this quote of mine was completely messed up with other quotes. For good order I highlight simply what I WROTE. Meantime thanks Joe for your clarifications around what you said during your interview with l'Equipe. I believe you. Your statement totally fits with Ressiot's way of working. This guy knows a lot, I mean A LOT, unfortunately he won't reveal anything until he has fool proof evidence to back him up.

 

[Adamastor]

I find dishonesty in the Public Sector (Gov) one thousand times worse than dishonesty in Pro Sports.

And I would be one thousand times more proud to have my kid work in the Public Sector than be a Pro Athlete.

I can understand that, and I respect it. I'm the same. Is that a reason for wanting to ignore injustice in sports?

From having read your posts over months and months, I know you believe there is doping in sports, but I get this feeling you simply want to discredit anyone on against doping.

The only thing I'm after is, if my kid is 14, and loves cycling and has talent, to at least offer him the chance to be good one day without having to use PEDs.

And yes, I want this to happen in other sports too, not only cycling.

 

[Adamastor]

I find dishonesty in the Public Sector (Gov) one thousand times worse than dishonesty in Pro Sports.

And I would be one thousand times more proud to have my kid work in the Public Sector than be a Pro Athlete.

I can understand that, and I respect it. I'm the same. Is that a reason for wanting to ignore injustice in sports?

From having read your posts over months and months, I know you believe there is doping in sports, but I get this feeling you simply want to discredit anyone on this forum who is against doping.

The only thing I'm after is, if my kid is 14, and loves cycling and has talent, to at least offer him the chance to be good and win races one day without having to use PEDs.

And yes, I want this to happen in other sports too, not only cycling.

 

[Le breton]

My sentencing is currently scheduled for 21 October.
.............
I am scared to death, of course, and especially fear being incarcerated in a federal prison for 10 years ..........
.

It's hard to see what benefit society would get from putting you in jail.
So I hope it won't happen.

It would seem much wiser to condemn you to fight doping by giving conferences or whatever in schools, sport clubs, etc.

 

[Cloxxki]

I think you are missing the point. Longo is 52 years old, don't you think its time to start thinking about other stuff, besides race results? She looks 10-20 years older than she is. Who cares about race results, or what shes on

I don't know if we should ever limit us by age alone to race at elite level.

And I've met women who look older than they are in all faces of life. Badly ageing women - it happens. Some smoke too much, some have hard lives, some have lots of lies to live with, some are just in bad luck genetically.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

L'Equipe reports Longo will not ride the Worlds and that her husband is suspended by the French Cycling Federation.
http://www.lequipe.fr/

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Somehow this quote of mine was completely messed up with other quotes. For good order I highlight simply what I WROTE. Meantime thanks Joe for your clarifications around what you said during your interview with l'Equipe. I believe you. Your statement totally fits with Ressiot's way of working. This guy knows a lot, I mean A LOT, unfortunately he won't reveal anything until he has fool proof evidence to back him up.

Which is to say that he is a good journalist. Chapeau to Ressiot and L'Equipe.

 

[goober]

My sentencing is currently scheduled for 21 October. It's been delayed for a total of ... 19 months ... for various reasons and suddenly I can imagine it being delayed again but I really just want to get it over, kind of.

I am scared to death, of course, and especially fear being incarcerated in a federal prison for 10 years and being sexually-brutalized or otherwise subjected to sanctioned violence or other depravities that characterize much of the US prison system according to my research.

Concerning the evidence/emails - and please take note of this - I DID NOT PROVIDE ANY NEW EVIDENCE TO L'EQUIPE NOR DID I CATALYZE THEIR INVESTIGATION OR OTHERWISE ENCOURAGE IT. I only learned of it when it was basically complete and simply confirmed for them details of my own criminal case that they put to me, which involved Ciprelli. I did not even provide them with the emails, which they already had before they contacted me.

~edited by mod~ insulting

 

[Epicycle]

It's hard to see what benefit society would get from putting you in jail.
So I hope it won't happen.

It would seem much wiser to condemn you to fight doping by giving conferences or whatever in schools, sport clubs, etc.

The problem with what Joe did is that he not only sold a potentially lethal drug (EPO), he tried to take that type of business to the next level by aggressively marketing it and providing the kind of customer service that would grow his business by word of mouth. If you do that with any kind of potentially lethal recreational drug then you are going to get in major trouble, it's no different with a doping product.

When you are doing this for a substance that can kill you if you don't keep close tabs on your crit, watch your dehydration level and make sure you take your aspirin...then that's serious business.

Joe's hubris got himself in trouble...seems to me that his delusional desire to be more than what he really needs to be has come back to bite him over and over again. And it was monumentally stupid for him to import illegal doping drugs from China during the run-up to the Beijing Olympics, when investigating stuff like that was going to get extra resources. Joe seems like a nice enough guy and on that level it's hard to see someone like him go to prison but he more than made his own bed. It's just sad all around. Honestly I think the best thing for him, prison or not, would be to take care of himself first and stop trying to be Joe Papp, public figure. Seems like his pursuit of the public eye/spotlight/big time is what's gotten him in trouble before and is probably not the best thing for him in the long run, even if it seems like he's on a more positive path.