Jens Voigt.....is ridiculous

[RHRH19861986]

Danke, RHRH19861986.

Thanks, I appreciate this a lot, especially for saying it in my mother tongue

And to Cycle Chic: Yes, that fits for him. I think he´s an open minded person, ever has been. German media and publicity started to love him when he became the "Jacky Durand" style rider, a fighter, who additionally was very outspoken against doping, even when not been asked his opinion.
At Gan, he was rather unknown, he was the strange guy who, amongst guys like Jaksche, Wüst, Steinhauser or Baldinger, chose to ride on a non German team instead on "Holy Telekom". When joining Credit Agricole, it was the same.
Then he joined Riis, results got better, and he slowly moved into this role I described. His prime in this role arrived 2006, when Puerto clouds reached Germany. Now, everything became more intense with him. Apparently scoring results that could be credible in the eyes of broad public, being extremely outspoken now ("Sentence the Puerto guys to the stake"), he created an image of himself of being the other, better extreme of cycling. Media, ashamed of having been quite naive about cycling throughout the years, were thankful to have Voigt, a self-called reason to still believe in cycling. With Telekom, Jaksche, Sinkewitz, Schumacher and almost every big gun going down, he became the last man standing, and for many, he still is; clearly, he never was positive, and didn´t shut up until today, as we saw this week.

I´m just sorry for guys like Markus Fothen, surely more talented than Voigt. Was almost Top10 in Giro and Tour very early, but seems to really have chosen the clean way after 2008. Fothen nowadays shows mediocre results in 1.2 and 2.2 races... Voigt still acts funny, and probably doesn´t know why. Maybe because he´s caught in his world...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

apropos of not much, but I think the personality of Jens provides some of the missing pieces. He is a notorious joker, he is very light hearted, he is not stupid but takes delight in simple things. But as Brad McGee said in Ride today, he is a killer on the bike. Its this nature that people warm to.

Pay that. Well crafted response, Bison. And prevaricate - never used that word before. Must remedy that situation post haste.

Jens is a BIG KID. His second most endearing quality for me. His most endearing? Getting into the break. My favourite place in a race.

 

[wannab]

I got the distinct impression he was well aware about the doping but says he was not confronted (saw) with it, so was not interested. He is not claiming to be Sgt Schultz which some are suggesting. I think looking at his nature possibly explains why he could just not be bothered or interested in being more inquisitive or observant (like I would be) - he lives in his own little world.

Now, I know that I have been accused of being na&#239]It’s true that I sometimes suspected some riders of doping. However—and this is important—I never saw anything firsthand. So I couldn’t call anybody out[/B], and I wasn’t about to focus my energy on something that was not clear. Like I said, it only poisons the soul.

I can see your standpoint (like Lukenwolfs, heck even Jens') and to some extend agree in your logic.

Yet I find it extremely difficult to listen to his statements, given the sports history, if you don't have anything constructive to say .. don't.

To me this illustrates the image of the mafia boss' wife; Perfectly knowing whats going on but doesn't want to confront the situation and turns a blind eye.

So, remaining this outspokenly "naive" doesn't help anything, in fact, it somewhat bothers me, he'd just better say nothing imo ...

 

[Benotti69]

You would think that Jens after riding clean and constantly through the pain barriers telling his body to shut up would be majorly p!$$ed of at all those dopers who took money from him with their doped wins. But no not Jens.

All those years riding clean while others were doping and not a bad word to say about his team mates and then to top if off he is friends with the biggest fraud.

Not swallowing that for a second.

Sorry Jens you are full of sh!te.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Jens Voigt is the male version of Jeannie Longo.
He will continue to beat "newcomers" well into his 50's.

 

[Lukenwolf]

You would think that Jens after riding clean and constantly through the pain barriers telling his body to shut up would be majorly p!$$ed of at all those dopers who took money from him with their doped wins. But no not Jens.

If you had bothered to read his full entry, you'd know this sequence:

I also read an article recently by Bradley McGee and how he said that he had to race against doped riders in the Tour in his best years of his career. I can only agree. I mean, fortunately I still managed to get three stage wins, but who knows what else I would have achieved if everybody would have been clean! A 10-time Tour de France stage winner sounds a lot better to me than three-time winner. But to be honest, I don’t want to contemplate such things for too long because it only makes me bitter. It poisons my soul.

What does he gain by being publically pi$$ed off? Does it gain him the money he may have won? He is unhappy about it, but he refuses to let it make him bitter.

All those years riding clean while others were doping and not a bad word to say about his team mates and then to top if off he is friends with the biggest fraud.

Since when is he friends with Armstrong? Never heard of that.

Not swallowing that for a second.

You better don't try either. Logic doesn't go well with bitterness.

Sorry Jens you are full of sh!te.

Respectfully Sir, so are you.

 

[wannab]

You would think that Jens after riding clean and constantly through the pain barriers telling his body to shut up would be majorly p!$$ed of at all those dopers who took money from him with their doped wins. But no not Jens.

Exactly my thought too.

 

[Benotti69]

What does he gain by being publically pi$$ed off? Does it gain him the money he may have won? He is unhappy about it, but he refuses to let it make him bitter.

So he suffers on a bike for years and is not bitter! Wow Jens is not human, so he didn't need dope!

Since when is he friends with Armstrong? Never heard of that.

Since he went to Austin Texas last month to ride with him.

Better brush up your fanboyism.

 

[Lukenwolf]

So he suffers on a bike for years and is not bitter! Wow Jens is not human, so he didn't need dope!

Well, he got a few wins out of it, didn't he? It's not like he would have won a GT if the others were clean. And if you read that passage again - he says he doesn't dwell on it because he would become bitter otherwise.

Since he went to Austin Texas last month to ride with him.

Bull****. He went to America to attend a criterium race and to take part in a Livestrong event, not to ride with cancer jesus. His team's title sponsor is a major sponsor of Livestrong, so if anything it is more likely a sponsor obligation, if not even a contractual one. Or do you have any proof that he went there out of friendship with cancer jesus. CJ doesn't have friends.

Better brush up your fanboyism.

It is perfectly intact, in contrast to your facts

 

[Cycle Chic]

Tyler hamilton names jens voigt

From
http://www.wort.lu/en/view/hamilton...8-doping-allegations-509b83c0e4b0a924257f713f


Hamilton revives Fränk Schleck 2008 doping allegations

File photo: AP

(CS/mz) American cyclist Tyler Hamilton has attacked Fränk Schleck, saying that he assumes the Luxembourg cyclist discussed doping programmes with Dr Eufemiano Fuentes.

After raising doping allegations against Jens Voigt and Bjarne Riis, Hamilton questioned Schleck's statements about a 7,000 euro payment to Fuentes, who stood at the heart of the Operación Puerto doping case.

Its only a matter of time Jens.

 

[Benotti69]

Well, he got a few wins out of it, didn't he? It's not like he would have won a GT if the others were clean. And if you read that passage again - he says he doesn't dwell on it because he would become bitter otherwise.



Bull****. He went to America to attend a criterium race and to take part in a Livestrong event, not to ride with cancer jesus. His team's title sponsor is a major sponsor of Livestrong, so if anything it is more likely a sponsor obligation, if not even a contractual one. Or do you have any proof that he went there out of friendship with cancer jesus. CJ doesn't have friends.


It is perfectly intact, in contrast to your facts

Jens has not expressed any disgust at Armstrongs doping.

If Jens was under contract, why bring a donkey to Austin when they have stars like Ansy Schleck TdF winner to use to promote sponsors?

I imagine a 'clean' rider would not go near Austin Texas in the current climate.

But Jens is a Unicorn

 

[blackcat]

From
http://www.wort.lu/en/view/hamilton...8-doping-allegations-509b83c0e4b0a924257f713f


Hamilton revives Fränk Schleck 2008 doping allegations

File photo: AP







Its only a matter of time Jens.

second career

 

[zigmeister]

From
http://www.wort.lu/en/view/hamilton...8-doping-allegations-509b83c0e4b0a924257f713f


Hamilton revives Fränk Schleck 2008 doping allegations

File photo: AP





Its only a matter of time Jens.

I'm going to say you that Jens doping and that being revealed and corroborated is not going to happen ever.

The only way this happens is if Jens is pulling a LA/Landis/Hamilton routine. Deny deny deny and never admit to anything, even with evidence (which there is none except Hamilton-loser in life-who just raised a suspicion verbally, no facts/evidence, any moron can do that).

For Jens to come out and write about this so adamantly that he has never taken anything, that would be a worst case scenario for the biggest fall of nearly anybody out there in the peloton past/present. That would be a Floyd Landis/Tyler Hamilton level of denial to only then later admit they lied for years about it all.

I think Jens has more integrity that that, and has proven it over the years.

So, until we get some real facts, and not Hamilton spouting off once again about stuff he never saw, Jens is good in my book.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm going to say you that Jens doping and that being revealed and corroborated is not going to happen ever.

The only way this happens is if Jens is pulling a LA/Landis/Hamilton routine. Deny deny deny and never admit to anything, even with evidence (which there is none except Hamilton-loser in life-who just raised a suspicion verbally, no facts/evidence, any moron can do that).

For Jens to come out and write about this so adamantly that he has never taken anything, that would be a worst case scenario for the biggest fall of nearly anybody out there in the peloton past/present. That would be a Floyd Landis/Tyler Hamilton level of denial to only then later admit they lied for years about it all.

I think Jens has more integrity that that, and has proven it over the years.

So, until we get some real facts, and not Hamilton spouting off once again about stuff he never saw, Jens is good in my book.

Dopers lose their integrity.

Armstrong was good in your book FFS!

 

[Cycle Chic]

So, until we get some real facts, and not Hamilton spouting off once again about stuff he never saw, Jens is good in my book.

Ha !! kinda sums up Zigmeister....another one in la-la land.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Just come across Jens's PR blog. Turbulent Times

He's taken his time coming out with this one but eventually he has obviously commissioned a PR firm to guide him. Unfortunately as with all liars and guilty people there are many inconsistencies and 'he doth protest too much' quotes. 'I Did Not Ever Dope'.

I saw an analysis of Armstrongs talk and the 'did not ever' is a classic plural negatives that liars use.

http://bicycling.com/blogs/hardlyserious/2012/10/30/turbulent-times/

This comment from someone sums him up:-
I’ve always found you very entertaining, Jens. I’ve enjoyed watching you race. Your segment on “Overcoming” is awesome and I’ve made many other people watch it.
BUT your connections to Bjarne, Lance, and Johan and the fact we’ve heard the same “I was shocked” “I would never dope” “I never saw anything” line from many others who did dope, means I don’t believe you.
I may have believed you if you were more transparent and spent more time in this long essay coming clean about what you do know, but you didn’t give any information that will help clean up the sport, just the same stuff we’ve gotten all along from the omerta entrenched.
For all those years, surrounded by all that doping and all those dopers, and you saw nothing? You must have been yelling, “SHUT UP EYES!”

 

[arjanh]

So, until we get some real facts, and not Hamilton spouting off once again about stuff he never saw, Jens is good in my book.

You know, when you're found in a brothel, we can safely assume you didn't go there just for a friendly chat...

 

[Benotti69]

You know, when you're found in a brothel, we can safely assume you didn't go there just for a friendly chat...

And boy has Jens been in some Brothels

 

[Cycle Chic]

Poor Jens

From...http://bicycling.com/blogs/hardlyserious/2012/10/30/turbulent-times/3/

I’m well aware of something called “guilt by association,”.. Festina Affair just left me thinking, “Really? There are so many people involved. It was almost so perfectly organized. And there’s no sign of a guilty conscience?”

..Operación Puerto, and our team was touched by it as our team leader, Ivan Basso, was named. Again it left me thinking, “Really? So many people involved? And almost so perfectly organized. And such little guilt?”

Now, a subject that cannot be ignored is the whole Lance Armstrong case....Again I find myself thinking, “Really? So many people involved? So almost perfectly organized? So little guilt?”

and then contradicts himself..


Again, I do believe cycling has become better. I don’t see any traces of team-organized doping or doping networks anymore.

and then..

Hey, just look at me! I am 41 years old and still here, still competitive. I honestly think that’s because our sport is cleaner and we have a level playing field. We start with the same chances for everyone because there’s no organized doping anymore.

Jens - WHICH IS IT ? ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THIS ORGANIZED DOPING OR NOT ??

and the classic quote

I am saying very loudly: Keep my samples, test them, and re-test them, in 10 years or in 100 years from now. Go back in time and open my sample from five years ago or 10 years ago. Feel free to do so! There will never be any surprises because I have nothing to hide.

Is he really this dim ?

 

[Alphabet]

That last one sound's like Lance's denials

 

[Cycle Chic]

trying to justify his relationship with Bjarne Riis...


Perhaps his strength was that he paid attention to every detail and that’s why we hit the ground running and won a lot of races early in the season

Now isnt that MARGINAL GAINS ??!!!

 

[Le Baroudeur]

trying to justify his relationship with Bjarne Riis...

Now isnt that MARGINAL GAINS ??!!!

That's the new PR spin term Sky use to try and sound original.

Essentially a holistic approach to building a 'team' with foundations derived from the training methods and ethos of elite special forces units, as opposed to a bunch of independent prima donnas on bikes with the the same trade colours.

What's to justify? It's well proven methodology.

 

[ElChingon]

Looks like we have samples for the testers to use in their research then

 

[wannab]

So, until we get some real facts, and not Hamilton spouting off once again about stuff he never saw, Jens is good in my book.

Yes never take a guy -who hit rock bottom because of the culture, trying to deny everything to get back in, and eventually came clean about it- 's word, it's all a conspiracy theory, oh the agony ...

poor poor 90's-00's gen. clean cyclists, never knew a thing, never saw a thing, never heard a thing

Ha !! kinda sums up Zigmeister....another one in la-la land.

 

[enrecul]

Sick of voigt. The guy needs to go.
Represents everything poisonous about the sport masked by a cloud of horse ****. The new era can start when he retires.