Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[RedheadDane]

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4IvLEu5o5p92GHraMjVaFk

Aaww... I thought it would be a neat easily readable article.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Aaww... I thought it would be a neat easily readable article.

Didn't you see the link to the DR article in the original post?

 

[RedheadDane]

Didn't you see the link to the DR article in the original post?

Yeah, but I thought the original interview Tim was linking to would be an article...

 

[CyclistAbi]

About time to ride the Worlds.

 

[Rackham]

Somehow I have difficulty imagining Vingegaard riding the Vuelta in August/September and then two weeks later riding the Worlds in Rwanda of all places (aka beaucoup travel away from home).

The same applies to Pog as well, actually.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Somehow I have difficulty imagining Vingegaard riding the Vuelta in August/September and then two weeks later riding the Worlds in Rwanda of all places (aka beaucoup travel away from home).

The same applies to Pog as well, actually.

Yup. I don't believe Vingo will ride WC after a double of GTs. Family time is a keyword here (unless he skips Vuelta).
As for Pogi, I think he will actually skip Vuelta to fully focus on WC defence (he's a big favourite). He's already had a spring full of objectives and adding GT double + WC is too much.

 

[Froome]

Somehow I have difficulty imagining Vingegaard riding the Vuelta in August/September and then two weeks later riding the Worlds in Rwanda of all places (aka beaucoup travel away from home).

The same applies to Pog as well, actually.

He will not skip Vuelta just to do one day race in late september.

He will do the Tour-Vuelta and WC. That's why he didn't raced that much this year.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Going for the Froome/Chicken level conditioning it looks like

I remember walking around for a bit around sub-10% bf when I was a lot younger and stupider and felt like I was on deaths door, this guy can't be much over 5 and he's not even proper race ready yet, how they can even turn the pedals looking like that I've no idea.

 

[Netserk]

Il Pollo had proper tan lines!

 

[hayneplane]

Going for the Froome/Chicken level conditioning it looks like

I remember walking around for a bit around sub-10% bf when I was a lot younger and stupider and felt like I was on deaths door, this guy can't be much over 5 and he's not even proper race ready yet, how they can even turn the pedals looking like that I've no idea.

You can see more flesh on a fish tossed into a piranha tank!

 

[pelotonIQ]

If he doesn't race the Vuelta after the Tour, he's a thief. 90% chances he will do that race if he doesnt get injured or whatever, he doesn't care about one day races anyways

Don't worry. Pogi will make sure Vingegaard races the Vuelta

 

[Red Rick]

Il Pollo had proper tan lines!

Also low key pretty pretty muscular arms. Vingo is really doing a poor effort at imitating the anorexics of old.

 

[Froome]

Don't worry. Pogi will make sure Vingegaard races the Vuelta

Don't throw fireworks before the party, then you will get the sticks in the end.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Going for the Froome/Chicken level conditioning it looks like

I remember walking around for a bit around sub-10% bf when I was a lot younger and stupider and felt like I was on deaths door, this guy can't be much over 5 and he's not even proper race ready yet, how they can even turn the pedals looking like that I've no idea.

Impressive muscle mass!

 

[noob]

You can see more flesh on a fish tossed into a piranha tank!

Don't be fooled by the shadows though. They fall in weird places making it look even more extreme than it is. (Not that it isn't extreme already but shadows make it look even worse). Love his shoulder line! I have a weird thing for shoulders like that!

 

[Red Rick]

Don't be fooled by the shadows though. They fall in weird places making it look even more extreme than it is. (Not that it isn't extreme already but shadows make it look even worse). Love his shoulder line! I have a weird thing for shoulders like that!

Angle is so weird man, he looks like he can just stand straight up and touch his knees with this hand without leaning over.

 

[tobydawq]

Apparently, he was only able to stay awake for an hour the days after the crash. On the Monday after the crash (which must have been on Thursday, if I remember correctly), he rode his bike for an hour but got so dizzy that he didn't touch the bike until the following weekend.

I guess I can understand why Catalunya was off the table. But I don't know why such things couldn't be communicated at the time and only need to come out two months later.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Apparently, he was only able to stay awake for an hour the days after the crash. On the Monday after the crash (which must have been on Thursday, if I remember correctly), he rode his bike for an hour but got so dizzy that he didn't touch the bike until the following weekend.

I guess I can understand why Catalunya was off the table. But I don't know why such things couldn't be communicated at the time and only need to come out two months later.

From the interview it seems like the team didn't even bother to test him for concussion, vingegard blames the race doctor for not checking him at all, but the team also has a responsibility for this. Totally amateur from visma.

Bizarre the way they treated him in a race which wasnt even a big goal for him, they just sent him up the mountain when hes dizzy and can't brake properly

 

[Netserk]

From the interview it seems like the team didn't even bother to test him for concussion, vingegard blames the race doctor for not checking him at all, but the team also has a responsibility for this. Totally amateur from visma.

Bizarre the way they treated him in a race which wasnt even a big goal for him, they just sent him up the mountain when hes dizzy and can't brake properly

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[QueenStagiaire]

The concussion protocol in cycling will always be an issue (or at least until they introduce a force-measuring mechanism in the helmets). You can‘t do a concussion check without the rider losing time. If you pass concussion protocol but are five minutes down, it‘s just as bad as failing a concussion protocol: Your race is done anyway. In team sports and other spots that are not racing sports, concussion checks are no problem, but in cycling you can‘t just switch your rider back in after he has been examined.

 

[Netserk]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpziCM1clo4

 

[Rackham]

The concussion protocol in cycling will always be an issue (or at least until they introduce a force-measuring mechanism in the helmets). You can‘t do a concussion check without the rider losing time. If you pass concussion protocol but are five minutes down, it‘s just as bad as failing a concussion protocol: Your race is done anyway. In team sports and other spots that are not racing sports, concussion checks are no problem, but in cycling you can‘t just switch your rider back in after he has been examined.

Exactly. And I'd like to see how Visma would react if it happened in the TdF and Vingegaard is in yellow. Does anyone really believe they'd pull Vingegaard aside for 5 minutes to examine his head and lose the TdF? Or that the 'protocol' would be enforced and they'd DNF him because of some blood on his face? I really don't see it.

 

[Netserk]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpziCM1clo4

AI transcript:

Q: Last time we heard from you was around Paris‑Nice when you had that crash and concussion. How bad was it and how much did it hamper you afterwards?
A: I went home the day after my crash in Paris‑Nice and had to rest. For the first 3–4 days I could only stay awake about an hour before needing 1–1½ hours of sleep. I definitely suffered from a concussion. By Monday I tried a one‑hour recovery ride but ended up dizzy and nauseous, so I slept again and stayed off the bike for another four days. From about Friday I felt better and rode again; workload ramped up from there. I still had to cancel Catalonia.

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Q (Jimmy Wilmus): You’d spoken about moving part‑time to Switzerland; now you’ve got a house and holiday home in Denmark. Are those Swiss plans retired?
A: Yes—they’re retired. It was just a try‑out. We never actually moved; living in Denmark and travelling out works better for us.

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Q (Rasmus Novak 1): Your team chases every marginal gain. Are you optimising the same areas this year, or any new focuses?
A: We’ve changed a few things—like my switch to 150 mm cranks—and tested other kit tweaks. Every year we refine equipment and prep. Details stay in the business‑secret box.


Q (Rasmus Novak 2): After Basque last year and this spring’s crash, are you hungrier than ever to win this Tour?
A: Definitely. Missing spring and last year’s prep has given me extra motivation to perform in the races coming up, not just the Tour itself.

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Q (Dan De 1): Do you enjoy training camps like Sierra Nevada as much as racing?
A: I love racing, but I also really enjoy Sierra Nevada—great group, atmosphere, and the process of planning how to be better than last year or two years ago.


Q (Dan De 2): Every crash hits you mentally too. How do you recover mentally from disappointment?
A: This year’s crash was minor compared to last year’s—more annoying than traumatic—so mentally it wasn’t as tough. It actually added motivation rather than lingering doubt.

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Q (Danny Miranda): How are you feeling in Sierra Nevada, and is the plan still to do the World Championships later?
A: Feeling good here. Plan remains Tour de France as main goal, then La Vuelta. Worlds in Rwanda are still on the radar, depending on how Vuelta goes.

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Q (Baldora): Your trainer says you’re on a higher level now than last year—or even two years ago. True?
A: I hope so—if I want to win, I need to be. Spring ended earlier this year versus past seasons, so it’s hard to compare, but gains look promising.


Q (Baldora 2): Where have you found those gains?
A: Pre‑crash last year my power was high but weight sub‑optimal. I lost muscle in the crash and was too light. We’ve since rebuilt muscle and power and then aimed for another step forward.

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Q (Jesper Hansen 1): Did this year’s crash bring back memories of last year’s? Could you use that experience?
A: Not really comparable—last year was high‑speed downhill on bad roads; this was a low‑speed uphill overlap crash. No similar lessons.


Q (Jesper Hansen 2): What gives you belief you can beat Pogacar this Tour?
A: Last year I wasn’t at my best level. Every year I’ve improved, and we’ve focused hard on it. I genuinely believe I can be stronger than him this time.

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Q (Besart 1): Will we see you training in Denmark before the Tour this year?
A: No—I left late April for recon here and won’t return until after the Tour. Denmark lacks mountains and the weather/terrain here are better for prep.


Q (Besart 2): Does being away from home affect your prep?
A: Family will join me before Dauphiné and stay through the Tour, so I’ll still see them—just not training on Danish roads.

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Q (Thomas Saitma): You finished a stage with blood and concussion risk. How do you look back on that decision and avoid similar risks?
A: Oddly, the race doctor checked cuts but never tested for concussion despite broken glasses and visible bleeding. Going forward, anyone with head/face impact visible should be checked for concussion before riding on.

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Q (Unnamed): Can you follow the Giro from camp? Did you see Wout’s win? And can you do Vuelta plus Worlds?
A: We watch the Giro at lunch—missed Wout live due to a long ride, but I’m thrilled for him. Vuelta plus Worlds I’ve never tried; depends on how I come out of the Vuelta, but it’s in my mind.

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Q (Tim Beck): First Tour prep without Marijn Zeeman—how strange and how important was he? Do you still stay in touch?
A: Initial months felt weird; Marijn did a stellar job for years. Now we have other great staff. I haven’t been in touch recently—both busy—but I’m sure we’ll connect again.

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Q (Box): Pogacar’s spring form was incredible. Key moments or lessons to beat him?
A: He’s been unbelievable this spring, but for the Tour I focus on myself—getting as good as possible. Spring form doesn’t always translate directly to July.

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Q (Thomas Ol 1): You did Tour plus Vuelta two years ago—how was that, and can you hit higher Vuelta form after the Tour?
A: I enjoyed it. Mentally, switching to the Worlds/Vuelta after July can be easier than rebuilding focus for autumn races. In 2023 my form was high at Worlds, so it’s doable.


Q (Thomas Ol 2): Many love giant clashes against top rivals—same for you?
A: Absolutely. Beating the best like him makes a win sweeter, and competing against him brings out my best.

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Q (Andy McGrade 1): How has Pogacar as a rival made you a better racer, team‑wise and personally?
A: Having someone as good as him pushes me and the team to improve every detail—skills, tactics, training—day in, day out.


Q (Andy McGrade 2): Can you see yourself winning a monument? What would you need to change to target Liège, Lombardia, etc.?
A: Flanders or Roubaix probably never—cobbles didn’t suit me in ’22. Liège or Lombardia could suit me; I’ve tried but without great success yet. Never say never, but they’re not on my calendar now.

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Q (Morton Serson): You’ve only had about 10 race days in 10 months—does that hamper preparation, or can training compensate?
A: Pre‑COVID we said racing was essential to race well. Post‑COVID we saw high levels despite long breaks. A longer break might not be bad; we’ll see in Dauphiné and the Tour if it pays off.

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Q (Son Jacobson): Your top three most memorable Tour moments?
A: 1) My 2023 time trial—unforgettable for me, the team, and family. 2) Taking the yellow jersey on the Col du Grandon in 2022. 3) Just standing at the 2024 Tour start line after everything we’d been through—an emotional milestone for me and my family.

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Q (Fred to): Any key stages to watch this Tour—maybe around stage 10?
A: There are important mountain stages and time trials, but also a hectic first week where you must stay safe and upfront. Don’t underestimate week 1.


Q (Fred to 2): Thoughts on the two time trials—flat first and second mountain TT?
A: Yes, first is flat, second is a brutal mountain TT. I had a great TT in Combloux two years ago; I hope to replicate that in Peyragudes.

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Q (Jian): Why not do one‑day races this spring to prep for Worlds?
A: I wasn’t in shape to finish those races. We debated adding a race—maybe Romandie—but decided to focus on Tour prep instead.

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Q (Hortenzel Leblon): The last stage goes over Montmartre with some cobbles—could GC be decided there?
A: I’m not sure of the exact parcours details—distance from finish, laps etc. It could be a completely different race dynamic, but it’s too soon to say how it’ll affect GC battles.

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Q (Tom Davidson): Do you welcome proposals to change the final stage? Good idea?
A: Not really. The Montmartre finish worked well at the Olympics with 50 riders; here 150 will fight for position on a narrow climb, which could be more stressful than they intend. We’ll see how it plays out.

 

[hayneplane]

From the interview it seems like the team didn't even bother to test him for concussion, vingegard blames the race doctor for not checking him at all, but the team also has a responsibility for this. Totally amateur from visma.

Bizarre the way they treated him in a race which wasnt even a big goal for him, they just sent him up the mountain when hes dizzy and can't brake properly

Even if you are rubbish at treating people like human beings who need care then to behave like this when it comes to the most valuable asset in your organisation is just incomprehensible.