Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Netserk]

I'm not sure what is most common now - neither taking the other's name or both taking from the other. But it's most common for children to inherit names from both father and mother (one of those being a middle name and not the surname).

 

[Froome]

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Interesting route for Vingegaard, specially samoens 1600.

 

[Netserk]

Yep, good climb for making differences. It's quite similar to Plateau de Solaison, albeit a bit shorter.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Ok, fair enough everyone. Will it appease everyone if I recant my position?

Cultural norms are changing.
It's the same thing with 'Valgren Hundahl' and 'Norman Leth'.
Besides, he's keeping the name everybody refers to him by... I don't think I've seen one example of him being called 'Rasmussen'.

I guess I don’t understand how Danish names work.

I'm not sure you've fully understood what's happened here, but at the end of the day it's just a name, and in this case people probably won't call him anything but Vingegaard anyway, unless he insists on it. I mean people are rarely talking about Florian Sénéchal-Staelens, for instance.

Also there's a chance that his daughter has had this name combination all along. My sister and her partner (they're not married (yet)) have given their three children their two middle names/matrinames instead of their legal surnames.

I think you are correct.

My father took my mother's surname over 30 years ago. Danish cultural norms for names changed long ago.

Fair enough. I need to go to Denmark to understand the culture better (or at all).

It didn't even cross your mind that maybe it's Jonas who came up with the idea to change their name. Instead you call his wife a narcissist. Now that's a lot of things, but I wouldn't call it progressive thinking.

Listen, I didn’t say I was progressive on this issue, just in general. I can’t be on the right side of history on every issue.

 

[RedheadDane]

I guess I don’t understand how Danish names work.

It's really quite simple. When two people get married, they can combine - or not combine - their names basically as they want, and then the name that comes first will be the middle name.
So, in this case 'Vingegaard' - the middle name - came from the husband, while 'Hansen' - the surname - comes from the wife. However, given that he has never been referred to as anything other than 'Vingegaard', it's quite possible that it's simply they name he feels the strongest personal connection to.

 

[Boehmand]

Asking your twice Tour winning, famous husband to go against cultural norms and take your last name instead is peak 2024 narcissism, IMO. They could have both kept their own last names if she wanted to buck the patriarchy. But the east stage racer of the current age, and owner of the greatest climbing season of the modern era, IMO, deserves to keep his last name if anyone does.

Ultimately, for continuity, only one last name gets passed down. My wife’s parents gave her a hyphenated last name, combining their two names so no one was treated as “less than,” but as @CyclistAbi says, to keep both again would mean we would have 3 names (her two plus mine all strung together with hyphens) and our kids would then have to mash together with someone else’s names. Some in the states get around this conundrum by truly combining last names, creating a new name, but then you are completely casting aside all ties to any ancestors. Even as a progressive democrat, I’m too traditional and value my roots too much for that.

First of all, you have no idea who got the idea, so going off on a rant about his wife is just odd.

Secondly Vingegaard is his mother's surname, his father's surname is Rasmussen, so Vingegaard is actually his middle name.

Consequently if you want to rant about sticking with the man's surname (while accepting using the mother's surname as a middle name), you should rant about him being called Jonas Vingegaard Hansen, instead of the factually correct Jonas Hansen Rasmussen

 

[SHAD0W93]

Heck if he wanted to he could have dropped Vingegaard as well and just went with Hansen. Good for him living his life and staying happy.

 

[Extinction]

Or how about the Italian way, in which neither takes on the other's surname?

 

[RedheadDane]

Or how about the Italian way, in which neither takes on the other's surname?

As mentioned, that also happens in Denmark sometimes. Just not in this particular case...
I might be biased, but I think the "Danish way" is pretty great, letting each couple decide for themselves what they want to do.

 

[Peter von]

As mentioned, that also happens in Denmark sometimes. Just not in this particular case...
I might be biased, but I think the "Danish way" is pretty great, letting each couple decide for themselves what they want to do.

yeah, freedom of choice, not just legally but also culturally can be pretty great.

Anyway I doubt all this will have a big impact on what we call Vingegaard during races, or his W/kg in the third week of the Tour.

 

[RedheadDane]

Anyway I doubt all this will have a big impact on what we call Vingegaard during races, or his W/kg in the third week of the Tour.

Exactly!

 

[tobydawq]

Exactly!

I dunno... In the perspective of Danish climber history, this is a worrisome change:

(Michael) Rasmussen >>>> (Jesper) Hansen

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I dunno... In the perspective of Danish climber history, this is a worrisome change:

(Michael) Rasmussen >>>> (Jesper) Hansen

But Hansen is a shorter name, so I expect him to be even better in the mountains now that he's got rid of some superfluous letters. Next he'll be changing his first name to Jon.

 

[buddy buddy buddy]

argh argh argh argh

 

[tobydawq]

But Hansen is a shorter name, so I expect him to be even better in the mountains now that he's got rid of some superfluous letters. Next he'll be changing his first name to Jon.

That wouldn't help. In the Tour, it's only the surname that is written on the bib number. Of course, if they continue writing the first name on the helmets at Visma, it could be a good idea.

 

[Netserk]

Spoiler: Names

First of all, you have no idea who got the idea, so going off on a rant about his wife is just odd.

Secondly Vingegaard is his mother's surname, his father's surname is Rasmussen, so Vingegaard is actually his middle name.

Consequently if you want to rant about sticking with the man's surname (while accepting using the mother's surname as a middle name), you should rant about him being called Jonas Vingegaard Hansen, instead of the factually correct Jonas Hansen Rasmussen

Vingegaard is a proper middle name (and can thus legally not be taken as a surname), and so it is trivially not his mother's surname (I believe her maiden surname was Christiansen, but now she is a Rasmussen), but her middle name (and I think she was born with a second middle name to boot, Morsing - which is not a proper middle name and can thus both be taken as middle name and surname).

There is nothing "factually correct" about taking your wife's surname as middle name. It's legally permissible (just like the opposite), but it is not custom and it never has been. Traditionally, the name of the husband usually didn't change because of marriage. Now it often does, but not in any default manner.

I think this name change is simply down to Jonas and Trine wishing to share middle and surnames (I'd guess the daughter was named Vingegaard Hansen), and for the shared part to have a name from both sides. And of course for Jonas to stick with Vingegaard as he is most commonly referred to.

 

[RedheadDane]

I dunno... In the perspective of Danish climber history, this is a worrisome change:

(Michael) Rasmussen >>>> (Jesper) Hansen

And 'Vingegaard' is way above both those names combined!

 

[tobydawq]

And 'Vingegaard' is way above both those names combined!

So? That's not the changing variable.

Okay, let's maybe stop polluting the thread anymore

 

[Netserk]

Spoiler: Names

That wouldn't help. In the Tour, it's only the surname that is written on the bib number. Of course, if they continue writing the first name on the helmets at Visma, it could be a good idea.

I don't think his surname has ever been there, only his middle name.

 

[RedheadDane]

So? That's not the changing variable.

Okay, let's maybe stop polluting the thread anymore

Exactly!
The name everyone uses isn't changing.

 

[tobydawq]

Spoiler: Names

I don't think his surname has ever been there, only his middle name.

Haha fair enough

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

First of all, you have no idea who got the idea, so going off on a rant about his wife is just odd.

Secondly Vingegaard is his mother's surname, his father's surname is Rasmussen, so Vingegaard is actually his middle name.

Consequently if you want to rant about sticking with the man's surname (while accepting using the mother's surname as a middle name), you should rant about him being called Jonas Vingegaard Hansen, instead of the factually correct Jonas Hansen Rasmussen

Fair enough. I guess I’m still annoyed by how he chooses to call his wife after big battles rather than honor his competitors with proper sportsmanship! But that of course might not be her fault either. But mostly I did in fact misunderstand the situation.

 

[Froome]

Fair enough. I guess I’m still annoyed by how he chooses to call his wife after big battles rather than honor his competitors with proper sportsmanship! But that of course might not be her fault either. But mostly I did in fact misunderstand the situation.

What is the problem on calling his wife and his daughter? Probably they are the most important people in this world for him.

Don't talk about lack of sportsmanship by Vingegaard, because that's ridiculous. He is always praising his opponents. Spprtmanship was Vingegaard waiting for pogacar on the descent of spandelles after the crash, after pogacar attacking him on that descent, when the organization said to the riders, to be careful because there were some gravel in the road.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

What is the problem on calling his wife and his daughter? Probably they are the most important people in this world for him.

Don't talk about lack of sportsmanship by Vingegaard, because that's ridiculous. He is always praising his opponents. Spprtmanship was Vingegaard waiting for pogacar on the descent of spandelles after the crash, after pogacar attacking him on that descent, when the organization said to the riders, to be careful because there were some gravel in the road.

You don’t find his interactions with Pogacar at the end of stages at all unusual and more focused on his family than congratulating opponents than is the norm? My wife and kids are the most important thing in the world to me by far but I still situationally center others of course.

Edit: I also don’t expect my wife and kids to center me at all times, nor do they.

 

[Froome]

https://postimg.cc/t1kV4x8jYou don’t find his interactions with Pogacar at the end of stages at all unusual and more focused on his family than congratulating opponents than is the norm? My wife and kids are the most important thing in the world to me by far but I still situationally center others of course.

Edit: I also don’t expect my wife and kids to center me at all times, nor do they.

I already saw many times vingegaard congratulating his opponents, and with pogacar since 2021.


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