Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[BYOP88]

I'm sure Ellingworth is going through old Sky stuff and ripping out any pictures of JTL.

 

[Benotti69]

I'm sure Ellingworth is going through old Sky stuff and ripping out any pictures of JTL.

...............brilliant!

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting that the so called 'masters of detail' didn't see JTL's ABP anomaly as he raced a season with them after the 2012 WCs and it would've been obvious in they do all the tests as part of the marginal gains they profess to pursue.....

 

[thehog]

He was caught doping while riding for his country under British Cycling which was run by none other than Brailsford........the master of details. Wonder what the track team were on...

Why has no one asked Brailsford about this? Is it because he ran into the bus to hide.......like Bruyneel?

JV talked about the new generation being too cool to dope.....bollix.

This is what riding for another team and not Sky looks like

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Simple

As a Conti level rider, he didn't have a blood profile.

Of course they SHOULD have done their own labs during training camps. (say for 6 months or so)
ie Created their own version of a passport just to be sure.

Which is something I find really weird.

1. Here's his 2012 list of wins: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=1501&year=2012&all=0&current=0
2. He's in the RTP for 2012
3. He won a bunch of races.
4. They don't have a base line for him ==> any samples he gave during his reign of winning in 2012 were not added to ADAMs or were not tested for hema parameters or both.

Either way, it looks like a complete SNAFU on the part of the UCI and CADF: regardless of whether he was part of the BP or not, he should have been having his results recorded in ADAMS.

ETA: I had forgotten, but as someone else posted, yes, the didn't test at those races. Ugh.

 

[neineinei]

Which is something I find really weird.

1. Here's his 2012 list of wins: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=1501&year=2012&all=0&current=0
2. He's in the RTP for 2012
3. He won a bunch of races.
4. They don't have a base line for him ==> any samples he gave during his reign of winning in 2012 were not added to ADAMs or were not tested for hema parameters or both.

Either way, it looks like a complete SNAFU on the part of the UCI and CADF: regardless of whether he was part of the BP or not, he should have been having his results recorded in ADAMS.

UK Anti-Doping didn't do any ABP testing in cycling in 2012, and UCI didn't want to add him to their testing pool even when Endura asked them to do so and offered to pay for it.

Endura on Tuesday reiterated their anti-doping stance, saying they had requested "additional spontaneous testing" through the UK Anti-Doping agency and had asked to pay for Tiernan-Locke to join the UCI's biological passport in 2012 "in order to counter the rumours of PEDs [performance-enhancing drugs] that circulated after his wins in Tour Méditerranéen and Tour du Haut Var". The team said the request was refused by the UCI.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/01/endura-jonathan-tiernan-locke-biological-passport

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm sure Ellingworth is going through old Sky stuff and ripping out any pictures of JTL.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

 

[thehog]

UK Anti-Doping didn't do any ABP testing in cycling in 2012, and UCI didn't want to add him to their testing pool even when Endura asked them to do so and offered to pay for it.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/01/endura-jonathan-tiernan-locke-biological-passport

Looking back now I bet JTL wished he had those tests done. I was always surprised he won the ToB and did so well at the worlds after breaking his collarbone. And Kerrison took over his training from April 12.

Something is up. I await JTLs version of events and not a the used far salesmans version from under the bus seat.

Well I’d spoken to them throughout the year, I’d already signed a letter of intent around this time last year I think (April 2012). Straight away I went on a training camp with them to Tenerife with a few of the guys. I worked with one of the coaches Tim Kerrison and he was checking my data, they weren’t leaving anything to chance making sure the results weren’t a fluke, but they were happy with the numbers so that gave me a lot of confidence, which was good. I knew there was interest from them, but I just wanted to concentrate on my races and make sure my results didn’t slip.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news...-henao-best-option-amstel-gold-094313983.html

 

[Dear Wiggo]

UK Anti-Doping didn't do any ABP testing in cycling in 2012, and UCI didn't want to add him to their testing pool even when Endura asked them to do so and offered to pay for it.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/01/endura-jonathan-tiernan-locke-biological-passport

Yep had forgotten that salient point - thanks for the link and the reminder.

I think you mean "UCI didn't want to add him to ADAMS", because his name appears in the RTP from 2012.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Interesting that the so called 'masters of detail' didn't see JTL's ABP anomaly as he raced a season with them after the 2012 WCs and it would've been obvious in they do all the tests as part of the marginal gains they profess to pursue.....

Isn't the whole point of the passport that is builds up a profile over time. The anomolies were based on his 2012 values but they could only have been called into question after there was sufficient data following that. Unless you know of data from before then?

While he has indeed sanctioned while at Sky I see nothing that indicates that his abnormalities were caused then. In fact, it seems more likely he was caused because his values were not maintained there.

 

[the sceptic]

Isn't the whole point of the passport that is builds up a profile over time. The anomolies were based on his 2012 values but they could only have been called into question after there was sufficient data following that. Unless you know of data from before then?

While he has indeed sanctioned while at Sky I see nothing that indicates that his abnormalities were caused then. In fact, it seems more likely he was caused because his values were not maintained there.

Is he still british though?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Is he still british though?

Is it all too much for you?

 

[thehog]

Is he still british though?

Apparently training with Sky, working with Kerrison and riding for BC is not Sky

So it's all ok. Endura clearly have a systematic team wide doping regimen going on.

 

[the sceptic]

Is it all too much for you?

Yes. The bot software is getting updated faster than I can keep up with. But im trying.

 

[Froomster]

Interesting that the so called 'masters of detail' didn't see JTL's ABP anomaly as he raced a season with them after the 2012 WCs and it would've been obvious in they do all the tests as part of the marginal gains they profess to pursue.....

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Apparently training with Sky, working with Kerrison and riding for BC is not Sky

So it's all ok. Endura clearly have a systematic team wide doping regimen going on.

So your idea is that BC and/or Sky doped him up. Got him to sign. And then ceased doping him.

As opposed to him doping to get onto Sky and then because he was exposed to more controls ended up getting caught.

Come on Hoggy. I realise Sceptic is not up to your standard (or any standard) but you can really do better..?

 

[thehog]

So your idea is that BC and/or Sky doped him up. Got him to sign. And then ceased doping him.

As opposed to him doping to get onto Sky and then because he was exposed to more controls ended up getting caught.

Come on Hoggy. I realise Sceptic is not up to your standard (or any standard) but you can really do better..?

Now you're being silly.

He has an irregularity from the Worlds under BC/Brailsford. Clearly he was doped for that race. So when did he dope? Before he left?

Don't think so. A lot of questions to be answered by Brailsford and no doubt why he ran off to the bus.

Don't be late Pedro.

 

[the sceptic]

Now you're being silly.

He has an irregularity from the Worlds under BC/Brailsford. Clearly he was doped for that race. So when did he dope? Before he left?

Don't think so. A lot of questions to be answered by Brailsford and no doubt why he ran off to the bus.

Don't be late Pedro.

The brits seem to struggle to come to terms with one of their own doping

Team Sky rider Geraint Thomas backed Brailsford's actions, and expressed frustration that a British rider had broken the sport's anti-doping rules.

"It hurts more, for sure, with him being British," the BBC Sport columnist said.

"I would ban him if he has been cheating. There is no space for it at all."

If?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

He has an irregularity from the Worlds under BC/Brailsford. Clearly he was doped for that race. So when did he dope? Before he left?

Of course it it possible that they did. But the fact that you completely ignore the possibility that he could have been doing this at Endura or on his own shows your usual agenda. You're better than this Hoggy. Not by much but a little.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

The brits seem to struggle to come to terms with one of their own doping

Really, that is the best you can do. It must really annoy you that Hoggy gets all the limelight? All you seem to do is copy him (badly). You make the same jokes after he does. You change your AV after he does. I feel a bit sorry for you actually. How can one person have so little originality?

 

[thehog]

Of course it it possible that they did. But the fact that you completely ignore the possibility that he could have been doing this at Endura or on his own shows your usual agenda. You're better than this Hoggy. Not by much but a little.

Has nothing to do with me. And everything to do with JTL, BC & Sky. It's fairly straight forward.

It is possible, yes, at Endura. I've stated this but unlikely considering his salary and resources. Much more likely with Sky resources, Tenerife and Brailsford.

The kid wasn't stringing up his own bloodbags that's for sure. I await his comments on the matter before jumping to extreme conclusions with no evidence. His doping was at the Worlds with BC.

 

[the sceptic]

Really, that is the best you can do. It must really annoy you that Hoggy gets all the limelight? All you seem to do is copy him (badly). You make the same jokes after he does. You change your AV after he does. I feel a bit sorry for you actually. How can one person have so little originality?

Once again I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the bots when they use words like "racist" in response to people who correctly point out that some brits think they are better and cleaner than other nationalities.

 

[thehog]

Once again I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the bots when they use words like "racist" in response to people who correctly point out that some brits think they are better and cleaner than other nationalities.

Usual SkyBot tactic of getting personal when faced with clear & obvious doping.

Pedro is generally pretty good for a Bot. So won't hold this against him.

Froome's TUE was Sky's Lance backdated TUE moment. This is Sky's 6 EPO positives moment.

 

[Race Radio]

Fairly obviously now why UKAD delayed the hearing until the Tour so it would get buried in the news.

......hmmmm

you don't know. It's not possible. It was confidential.

 

[thehog]

Good article from Shane Stokes.

Brailsford talking smack again.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2014/07/b...-cheat-with-us-he-cheated-before-he-got-here/

“A guy has cheated before he has got to our team. That process is now concluded and there is quite clearly no place for him on our team. That is the situation.”

According to his former Endura Racing manager Brian Smith, who spoke at length on the matter to this writer in December, Tiernan Locke attended a Sky training camp in Tenerife on May of 2012.

CyclingTips understands the rider remained in contact with the team after that point, and a letter of intent was signed to bring him on board.

Brailsford was asked Thursday if the team was working with the squad earlier than September 2012.

“With Team Sky? No…I would have to check,” he replied. “He might have come to one training camp, so we could see him, basically, but no, we weren’t working with a rider from another team.”