Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Rackham]

I think this is completely normal behaviour at UAE. They only ride as a team for Pogacar, and in other cases everyone can do whatever they want. So I don't see why Ayuso can't but others can.

Correct.

For example I can't un-see Majka having a go at McNulty in the Giro after Del Toro had already 'lost' on the way to Sestrières because he wasn't pulling and was protecting his own top 10.

Welcome to the jungle.

 

[Berniece]

Correct.

For example I can't un-see Majka having a go at McNulty in the Giro after Del Toro had already 'lost' on the way to Sestrières because he wasn't pulling and was protecting his own top 10.

Welcome to the jungle.

It also helped them get to +70 victories as a team, so that's something too. How many would they trade for a Giro victory though.

 

[Lequack]

Three years ago

 

[noob]

What about Soler and Vine yesterday, or McNulty at the Giro? This is just UAE being UAE

Oh I actually agree with you. I think Ayuso is singled out because 1. groups needs scaping goats to function. 2. Ayuso is a scape goat because he slanted Pog. That's how I read it. He didn't like to pull for Pog. That's the only thing that really really differ him from the others.

But I also believe he has probably tried to get out of contract. And I don't blame him for it either

 

[noob]

Correct.

For example I can't un-see Majka having a go at McNulty in the Giro after Del Toro had already 'lost' on the way to Sestrières because he wasn't pulling and was protecting his own top 10.

Welcome to the jungle.

Oh did Majka have a go at McNugget? I didn't see that part!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I think this is completely normal behaviour at UAE. They only ride as a team for Pogacar, and in other cases everyone can do whatever they want. So I don't see why Ayuso can't but others can.

People have been complained about Vine, Soler, McNulty, or Hirschi not wanting to really help others in the past and during races while they just focused on themselves though. Ayuso gets more “hate” since he’s a higher profile rider.

 

[Berniece]

People have been complained about Vine, Soler, McNulty, or Hirschi not wanting to really help others in the past and during races while they just focused on themselves though. Ayuso gets more “hate” since he’s a higher profile rider.

I don't think it's because he's a higher profile rider. I think Ayuso gets more "hate" because he did it last year to Pogacar.

 

[pelotonIQ]

UAE Team Emirates – XRG: agreement to part ways with Juan Ayuso - UAE team Emirates

The first UAE World Tour cycling team

www.uaeteamemirates.com

Bye Bye!

 

[James M]

Oh I actually agree with you. I think Ayuso is singled out because 1. groups needs scaping goats to function. 2. Ayuso is a scape goat because he slanted Pog. That's how I read it. He didn't like to pull for Pog. That's the only thing that really really differ him from the others.

But I also believe he has probably tried to get out of contract. And I don't blame him for it either

I think this is partially right. Some of the same people also needed a scapegoat for Pogacar not winning Paris-Roubaix, even though it should be totally unrealistic to expect any cyclist in the history to reel in MvdP once he goes in PR. Yet somehow, the blame landed on his teammates by some. So you're partially or even fully right.

At the same time, it's equally true that Ayuso is a non-existent team player. Thats been proven more than once, hes overrated and selfish and have a long ratty face even though that part doesnt matter, still its there, point is he has alot to prove in the performance department to defend the position hes had in the best team.

Nah but its a very good riddance for UAE and about time, also W for Ayuso sadly for him hes gonne be up against a certain someone in the biggest races if that is indeed the goal somehow.

 

[fenns]

He came to the Vuelta thinking in he was in GC shape, quickly found out he wasn't, behaved like a jerk in the last few stages, UAE have had enough of him.

 

[Lequack]

He still isn't as dramatic as Superman Lopez just quitting the Vuelta.

 

[Hugh Januss]

He still isn't as dramatic as Superman Lopez just quitting the Vuelta.

Give him time.

 

[noob]

People have been complained about Vine, Soler, McNulty, or Hirschi not wanting to really help others in the past and during races while they just focused on themselves though. Ayuso gets more “hate” since he’s a higher profile rider.

They get hate but also the behaviour just continued and continued and continued.

I think this is partially right. Some of the same people also needed a scapegoat for Pogacar not winning Paris-Roubaix, even though it should be totally unrealistic to expect any cyclist in the history to reel in MvdP once he goes in PR. Yet somehow, the blame landed on his teammates by some. So you're partially or even fully right.

At the same time, it's equally true that Ayuso is a non-existent team player. Thats been proven more than once, hes overrated and selfish and have a long ratty face even though that part doesnt matter, still its there, point is he has alot to prove in the performance department to defend the position hes had in the best team.

Nah but its a very good riddance for UAE and about time, also W for Ayuso sadly for him hes gonne be up against it now as hes not getting any freebies by a certain someone.

ratty face? What does that mean? If it's about looks I think he's very close to conventionally attracktive apart from skin problems. Tall broad shouldered, amazing smile, with dark expressive sparkling eyes. I can find a lot of less conventionally attractive men in this vuelta lol.

 

[YavorD]

I think this is completely normal behaviour at UAE. They only ride as a team for Pogacar, and in other cases everyone can do whatever they want. So I don't see why Ayuso can't but others can.

That's not really true.
Everyone sometimes works for someone else, Ayuso doesn't.
And yes, he doesn't work for Pogacar either, so it's more like everyone else does their job (occasionally), Ayuso doesn't, completely opposite to the statement you made.

And no, don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for Ayuso to be thrown on 100% domestique duties, I'm alright with giving him chances.. But sometimes he should ride for Almeida as well. Which he hasn't so far. Ayuso is the rotten apples here honestly.

 

[Escarabajo]

Among the many media sites reporting on this in Spain, I have found one that says explicitly that UAE was demanding an amount of contract buyout money pretending to get negative answers, but Lidl-Trek has accepted the proposal.

Juan Ayuso rompe su contrato con UAE y ultima su llegada a Lidl-Trek a partir de 2026

El ciclista español firma para las próximas cuatro temporadas con el equipo estadounidense después de que se haya realizado el pago de una cláusula millonaria. Más información: Jonas Vingegaard pega su primer gran golpe a La Vuelta tras conquistar la 9ª etapa y se queda a 37" del maillot rojo

www.elespanol.com

That would partially explain the bad behavior from Ayuso. Do stupid things so that only Trek is in the negotiations. So the negotiation benefits Ayuso at the end of things. Very costly if you ask me.

 

[noob]

Sure. It was merely a joke that he has a long face and not the point at all at the very least, just a bad joke. Not relevant or the point amigo.

Ah. There's a Chinese actor and singer who is also compared with a mouse and has a long face as well, so I had seen similar discussions about others and was curious

 

[motty89]

In a normal team i would call ayuso's behaviour completely unacceptable but this is really just normal uae behaviour.... Even yesterday ayuso was getting lots of hate but soler was up there and didn't help almeida at all riding for his own gc. I guess the fact that ayuso literally had no reason to drop yesterday and rest day the next day was the final straw for management.

 

[Escarabajo]

He still isn't as dramatic as Superman Lopez just quitting the Vuelta.

Even Lopez worked for other riders. For Mas and Valverde.

 

[noob]

In a normal team i would call ayuso's behaviour completely unacceptable but this is really just normal uae behaviour.... Even yesterday ayuso was getting lots of hate but soler was up there and didn't help almeida at all riding for his own gc. I guess the fact that ayuso literally had no reason to drop yesterday and rest day the next day was the final straw for management.

Exactly! Something like this was bound to happen in UAE sooner or later. They are just like Movistar in this regard; just create internal drama by bad management.

 

[noob]

Even Lopez worked for other riders. Even for Mas and Valverde.

That's probably part of reason he rage quitted though

 

[Cookster15]

Differences in vision?

Ayuso: I want equal treatment to Pogacar.

UAE: Do your job and we consider that.

Ayuso: I am leaving.

UAE: what took you so long?

Ayuso has always seemed unreasonably entitled to me. On results he is no better than Almeida. On attitude he is much worse. But this news would come as a relief to many.

As for completing the season with UAE, he wasn't much of a teammate before today hard to see what his role would be between now and when he finally leaves?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

New statement just dropped:

 

[hrotha]

I don't think it's because he's a higher profile rider. I think Ayuso gets more "hate" because he did it last year to Pogacar.

This has to be such an exhausting way to follow pro cycling

 

[Gratemans]

Let's see if Ayuso will pull for Ciccone during the rest of the race. He could use a decent climbing domestique. Almeida at least had one in Vine yesterday.

I hope things will work out for JA, wherever he ends up.

I hope things will work out for Joao as well!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I don't think it's because he's a higher profile rider. I think Ayuso gets more "hate" because he did it last year to Pogacar.

For some yes but unlike those riders or Almeida in 2023 Vuelta and being talked about till 2024 Tour; Ayuso has said he’d work for others and hasn’t done so or it was like pulling teeth to make it happen. The blame isn’t solely his fault, UAE should have half to the majority of the blame for all of this due to their too many chiefs/cooks not enough Indians/servers. If Ayuso started in Lidl or the Wolfpack era Quickstep, maybe he’d help out more when not in top shape.



For a team to go to, I’m surprised it’s not Movistar or Astana. He’d have his choice of schedule and a team dedicated to him.