Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Rob5091]

Ayuso has eye problems?! "differences in vision"
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ju...ontract-to-leave-uae-team-emirates-xrg-early/

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Co-leadership is not leadership.

Yeah, Ayuso faded at the Giro because he wasn't "the sole leader". Right.
Dude got dropped like a rock here, when he was talking about GC before the Vuelta.

 

[proffate]

Yeah, Ayuso faded at the Giro because he wasn't "the sole leader". Right.
Dude got dropped like a rock here, when he was talking about GC before the Vuelta.

That's cause he was second in line to get his massage the night before

 

[jono]

Yeah, Ayuso faded at the Giro because he wasn't "the sole leader". Right.
Dude got dropped like a rock here, when he was talking about GC before the Vuelta.

I'm not talking about the Giro. If UAE is sending you to a race with Almeida, you are not the leader and every knows that. I believe UAE's pre-Vuelta announcement even called Almeida the leader and Ayuso co-leader. What does that tell you?

He's allowed to have his own ambitions and this relationship does not fall apart without issues on both sides.

 

[pastronef]

Let's be honest.
Those who still defend Ayuso = Pogacar haters.
Now,it's clear to everyone.

I'm not a Pog hater. I was over the mon when he beat Visma/Rogla in 2020, I had just praises for his Flanders wins and the wild world championships and I wanted him to win Roubaix. but now I'd like more competition in grand tours, so I side for Visma and Jonas. and the haters made me an Ayuso fan.

 

[Netserk]

Let's be honest.
Those who still defend Ayuso = Pogacar haters.
Now,it's clear to everyone.

There is more to cycling than wonder boy.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What about Soler and Vine yesterday, or McNulty at the Giro? This is just UAE being UAE

Those guys (as well as Almeida or Yates) have helped their temmates in the past (not always but they did). Ayuso hardly ever did it, there's always been some problem with it even when it comes to helping Pogacar (no wonder he almost never goes to races with Pogacar where a full commitment is required).

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Ayuso is gone. It was the most reasonable solution given the circumstances. UAE reduced his buyout money, right? (it would make sense).

 

[Berniece]

Those guys (as well as Almeida or Yates) have helped their temmates in the past (not always but they did). Ayuso hardly ever did it, there's always been some problem with it even when it comes to helping Pogacar (no wonder he almost never goes to races with Pogacar where a full commitment is required).

Because he’s a leader, wasn’t there something in his contract about domestique duties?

 

[tigabara]

Leaving the UAE, for Ayuso, was the best option. He couldn't compete with Pogacar. Even competing with Almeida and del Toro, he struggled. Meanwhile, he had ambitions of winning the GC. The question is, if he can't even compete with Almeida and del Toro, what makes he think he can succeed on another team?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Because he’s a leader, wasn’t there something in his contract about domestique duties?

I've never heard of a contract that excludes any help to teammates in this sport. You must have some insider info.

 

[Berniece]

I've never heard of a contract that excludes any help to teammates in this sport. You must have some insider info.

No insider info from me. I just remember something special about his contract. Maybe it was just being a leader in at least 1 GT per season.

I looked it up, it was this. They can ride their own race in a GT.

Zonneveld brengt opvallend nieuws uit UAE-kamp: 'Hebben in hun contract dat ze niet voor Pogacar hoeven rijden in grote ronde' | Wieler Revue

Tadej Pogacar kon de Jumbo-Visma ook dit jaar niet kraken. Jonas Vingegaard bleek net als vorig jaar te sterk in de Tour de France.

wielerrevue.nl

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No insider info from me. I just remember something special about his contract. Maybe it was just being a leader in at least 1 GT per season.

I looked it up, it was this. They can ride their own race in a GT.

Zonneveld brengt opvallend nieuws uit UAE-kamp: 'Hebben in hun contract dat ze niet voor Pogacar hoeven rijden in grote ronde' | Wieler Revue

Tadej Pogacar kon de Jumbo-Visma ook dit jaar niet kraken. Jonas Vingegaard bleek net als vorig jaar te sterk in de Tour de France.

wielerrevue.nl

I seems like a journalist speculation regarding Almeida & Ayuso. As we know, Almeida worked for Pogacar in the past. My remark was more general though, about team cooperation (like 2 days ago).

 

[Berniece]

I seems like a journalist speculation regarding Almeida & Ayuso. As we know, Almeida worked for Pogacar well.

Just because you don't have to doesn't mean you don't do it. I've heard Zonneveld say this a couple of times in the past few years in case of Ayuso. You don't have to believe him, but he's been saying this way before it was such an issue for people.

 

[Cycling111]

I'm still waiting for someone to say how he's been mistreated. This year, they took him to two GTs. When most cyclists leave a team, sometimes they're punished with none at all.

They've given him a schedule to lead every year, since he was 19.

And he's the only cyclist who has always refused to work. He didn't even want to work for Pogacar, as everyone else has accepted.

He's leaving the team and is winning stages in a Grand Tour without collaborating.

He's broken his contract even though it was a renewal. They haven't given him the problems we've seen with other teams.

Hello Derek Gee 🙄. Hello Roger Adria without Vuelta 🙄

And finally, he's founded a Junior team that he named the UAE-Ayuso team 🤣. To feel mistreated, he's fine with giving it that name and accepting funding from the UAE. I don't start a team with someone who mistreats me and give it that name.

Where's the mistreatment? I'm still waiting for the arguments.

As if that weren't enough, he's signing another five years contract with Lidl. But if he wants to leave in two years, it will be said that he is being mistreated because the team wants to be respected a long contract he freely signed.

 

[Roku]

So Ayuso is gone. It was the most reasonable solution given the circumstances. UAE reduced his buyout money, right? (it would make sense).

They did, indeed. There's been a sensible reduction in the buyout clause (it was 100M).

Despite reports claiming Ayuso has been freed from the contract, the information i have is Trek have paid a lofty amount to break Ayuso out of his contract.

 

[Berniece]

Where's the mistreatment? I'm still waiting for the arguments.

I think he just doesn't feel good at that team. People don't like him there, and that's probably very clear how they communicate to him internally.

 

[Lequack]

Johan Bruyeneel's take on Ayuso

View: https://youtu.be/wvc7sIoljIw?si=Y37HipJs53tx4ItZ

 

[Valv.Piti]

Tour, though.

Tour though what? Tadej Pogacar is in the same team and I frankly very much doubt he even wanted to take part in the race to ride as a domestique. He kinda tried that last year, and that was a lost year in terms of GC results. Pogacar definitely didn't. Instead he got to ride the Giro and the Vuelta as leader/co-leader while simultanously leading all other races he has done as well. I really, really fail to see why some people think he has been msitreated.

"Tour though" lol. He signed the contract in 2022. He has got to lead every race on the calender, big races, and he has just fallen short of of the very high expectations and he wasn't worth the hassle anymore.

 

[Lequack]

I'm still waiting for someone to say how he's been mistreated. This year, they took him to two GTs. When most cyclists leave a team, sometimes they're punished with none at all.

Look how they massacred my boy

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think he just doesn't feel good at that team. People don't like him there, and that's probably very clear how they communicate to him internally.

Yes, people don't like him because he has acted like a spoiled brat. If anyone has mistreated anyone, it has been Ayuso, and therefore people around him don't like him.

Try to act as egocentric as Ayuso on your workplace and watch how people around you get alienated and don't want anything to do with you. That has nothing to do with being mistreated, but everything to do with how you act and what kind of human you are. You might feel that you are being mistreated, but the reality is people do not really want anything to do with people like that

 

[Bolder]

Leaving the UAE, for Ayuso, was the best option. He couldn't compete with Pogacar. Even competing with Almeida and del Toro, he struggled. Meanwhile, he had ambitions of winning the GC. The question is, if he can't even compete with Almeida and del Toro, what makes he think he can succeed on another team?

Because he'll have unquestionably loyal support riders. Whether that plays out or not is TBD but he won't be competing with other young GC talents in the same jerseys.

 

[Berniece]

Yes, people don't like him because he has acted like a spoiled brat. If anyone has mistreated anyone, it has been Ayuso, and therefore people around him don't like him.

Try to act as egocentric as Ayuso on your workplace and watch how people around you get alienated and don't want anything to do with you. That has nothing to do with being mistreated, but everything to do with how you act and what kind of human you are. You might feel that you are being mistreated, but the reality is people do not really want anything to do with people like that

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

 

[Netserk]

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

I don't believe it says that.

 

[SafeBet]

Happy to see the thread skyrocketing to hundreds of posts per day.
Not quite on Florecita's Contador thread circa 2014 level but we're getting there.

Let's go!