Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[tigabara]

Leaving the UAE, for Ayuso, was the best option. He couldn't compete with Pogacar. Even competing with Almeida and del Toro, he struggled. Meanwhile, he had ambitions of winning the GC. The question is, if he can't even compete with Almeida and del Toro, what makes he think he can succeed on another team?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Because he’s a leader, wasn’t there something in his contract about domestique duties?

I've never heard of a contract that excludes any help to teammates in this sport. You must have some insider info.

 

[Berniece]

I've never heard of a contract that excludes any help to teammates in this sport. You must have some insider info.

No insider info from me. I just remember something special about his contract. Maybe it was just being a leader in at least 1 GT per season.

I looked it up, it was this. They can ride their own race in a GT.

Zonneveld brengt opvallend nieuws uit UAE-kamp: 'Hebben in hun contract dat ze niet voor Pogacar hoeven rijden in grote ronde' | Wieler Revue

Tadej Pogacar kon de Jumbo-Visma ook dit jaar niet kraken. Jonas Vingegaard bleek net als vorig jaar te sterk in de Tour de France.

wielerrevue.nl

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No insider info from me. I just remember something special about his contract. Maybe it was just being a leader in at least 1 GT per season.

I looked it up, it was this. They can ride their own race in a GT.

Zonneveld brengt opvallend nieuws uit UAE-kamp: 'Hebben in hun contract dat ze niet voor Pogacar hoeven rijden in grote ronde' | Wieler Revue

Tadej Pogacar kon de Jumbo-Visma ook dit jaar niet kraken. Jonas Vingegaard bleek net als vorig jaar te sterk in de Tour de France.

wielerrevue.nl

I seems like a journalist speculation regarding Almeida & Ayuso. As we know, Almeida worked for Pogacar in the past. My remark was more general though, about team cooperation (like 2 days ago).

 

[Berniece]

I seems like a journalist speculation regarding Almeida & Ayuso. As we know, Almeida worked for Pogacar well.

Just because you don't have to doesn't mean you don't do it. I've heard Zonneveld say this a couple of times in the past few years in case of Ayuso. You don't have to believe him, but he's been saying this way before it was such an issue for people.

 

[Cycling111]

I'm still waiting for someone to say how he's been mistreated. This year, they took him to two GTs. When most cyclists leave a team, sometimes they're punished with none at all.

They've given him a schedule to lead every year, since he was 19.

And he's the only cyclist who has always refused to work. He didn't even want to work for Pogacar, as everyone else has accepted.

He's leaving the team and is winning stages in a Grand Tour without collaborating.

He's broken his contract even though it was a renewal. They haven't given him the problems we've seen with other teams.

Hello Derek Gee 🙄. Hello Roger Adria without Vuelta 🙄

And finally, he's founded a Junior team that he named the UAE-Ayuso team 🤣. To feel mistreated, he's fine with giving it that name and accepting funding from the UAE. I don't start a team with someone who mistreats me and give it that name.

Where's the mistreatment? I'm still waiting for the arguments.

As if that weren't enough, he's signing another five years contract with Lidl. But if he wants to leave in two years, it will be said that he is being mistreated because the team wants to be respected a long contract he freely signed.

 

[Roku]

So Ayuso is gone. It was the most reasonable solution given the circumstances. UAE reduced his buyout money, right? (it would make sense).

They did, indeed. There's been a sensible reduction in the buyout clause (it was 100M).

Despite reports claiming Ayuso has been freed from the contract, the information i have is Trek have paid a lofty amount to break Ayuso out of his contract.

 

[Berniece]

Where's the mistreatment? I'm still waiting for the arguments.

I think he just doesn't feel good at that team. People don't like him there, and that's probably very clear how they communicate to him internally.

 

[Lequack]

Johan Bruyeneel's take on Ayuso

View: https://youtu.be/wvc7sIoljIw?si=Y37HipJs53tx4ItZ

 

[Valv.Piti]

Tour, though.

Tour though what? Tadej Pogacar is in the same team and I frankly very much doubt he even wanted to take part in the race to ride as a domestique. He kinda tried that last year, and that was a lost year in terms of GC results. Pogacar definitely didn't. Instead he got to ride the Giro and the Vuelta as leader/co-leader while simultanously leading all other races he has done as well. I really, really fail to see why some people think he has been msitreated.

"Tour though" lol. He signed the contract in 2022. He has got to lead every race on the calender, big races, and he has just fallen short of of the very high expectations and he wasn't worth the hassle anymore.

 

[Lequack]

I'm still waiting for someone to say how he's been mistreated. This year, they took him to two GTs. When most cyclists leave a team, sometimes they're punished with none at all.

Look how they massacred my boy

 

[Valv.Piti]

I think he just doesn't feel good at that team. People don't like him there, and that's probably very clear how they communicate to him internally.

Yes, people don't like him because he has acted like a spoiled brat. If anyone has mistreated anyone, it has been Ayuso, and therefore people around him don't like him.

Try to act as egocentric as Ayuso on your workplace and watch how people around you get alienated and don't want anything to do with you. That has nothing to do with being mistreated, but everything to do with how you act and what kind of human you are. You might feel that you are being mistreated, but the reality is people do not really want anything to do with people like that

 

[Bolder]

Leaving the UAE, for Ayuso, was the best option. He couldn't compete with Pogacar. Even competing with Almeida and del Toro, he struggled. Meanwhile, he had ambitions of winning the GC. The question is, if he can't even compete with Almeida and del Toro, what makes he think he can succeed on another team?

Because he'll have unquestionably loyal support riders. Whether that plays out or not is TBD but he won't be competing with other young GC talents in the same jerseys.

 

[Berniece]

Yes, people don't like him because he has acted like a spoiled brat. If anyone has mistreated anyone, it has been Ayuso, and therefore people around him don't like him.

Try to act as egocentric as Ayuso on your workplace and watch how people around you get alienated and don't want anything to do with you. That has nothing to do with being mistreated, but everything to do with how you act and what kind of human you are. You might feel that you are being mistreated, but the reality is people do not really want anything to do with people like that

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

 

[Netserk]

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

I don't believe it says that.

 

[SafeBet]

Happy to see the thread skyrocketing to hundreds of posts per day.
Not quite on Florecita's Contador thread circa 2014 level but we're getting there.

Let's go!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

Again, pure speculation without proof.

 

[Berniece]

Again, pure speculation without proof.

Okay then we just stop believing anything journalists say from now on. It's not like Ayuso or UAE is actually going to communicate about this, because they more than likely can't due to an NDA.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Okay then we just stop believing anything journalists say from now on. It's not like Ayuso or UAE is actually going to communicate about this, because they more than likely can't due to an NDA.

I think you should know the difference between proven facts and speculation. Both are parts of journalism. The fact is that Ayuso is a bad teammate who just broke his contract, his contract clause is just a speculation.

 

[SafeBet]

The fact is that Ayuso is a bad teammate who just broke his contract

Source?

 

[Berniece]

I think you should know the difference between proven facts and speculation. Both are parts of journalism. The fact is that Ayuso is a bad teammate who just broke his contract, his contract clause is just a speculation.

Like I said, this journalist has been saying this for years. Even before the TDF of 2024. I feel there's more truth to such statements when a journalist says it. And if it's true, you can still say that he's a bad teammate, but he has all the right to go for his own glory, when the person he should be helping doesn't like him.

 

[topcat]

Ayuso is free. Ok he didn't really help the Pog (who is winning everything anyway). We don't know what his UAE contract stated or what team UAE instructed him to do. We know Ayuso cannot be broken. It's time to align his values with another team.

 

[YavorD]

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

It's his fault for not being a loyal team mate everyone and then though. And this is the reason he is disliked.
I mean, Pogacar (an actual Tour winner at the time) worked for Mcnulty in Itzulia.
Van Aert unselfishly works for Vingegaard.
Vab Der Poel basically gifter a monument win to Philipsen.
Vingegaard gifted Kuss a Vuelta (okay, that's a bit different, but let's not go there).
And all these riders are, or have been at the time, of a bigger stature than Ayuso is. Yet they worked for their team mate, but Ayuso shouldn't "because his contract says so"?
Give me a break.

 

[Berniece]

It's his fault for not being a loyal team mate everyone and then though. And this is the reason he is disliked.
I mean, Pogacar (an actual Tour winner at the time) worked for Mcnulty in Itzulia.
Van Aert unselfishly works for Vingegaard.
Vab Der Poel basically gifter a monument win to Philipsen.
Vingegaard gifted Kuss a Vuelta (okay, that's a bit different, but let's not go there).
And all these riders are, or have been at the time, of a bigger stature than Ayuso is. Yet they worked for their team mate, but Ayuso shouldn't "because his contract says so"?
Give me a break.

I'm not saying he shouldn't. He definitely should. I'm saying he can do whatever he want because he is promised by the team to go for his own glory. People shouldn't complain as much about this, and stop the over the top hating on him.

 

[carolina]

It's his fault UAE accepted that his contract says he doesn't have to do domestique duties?

He likely has a similar contract to Almeida. In the interview he gave to a portuguese newspaper, before the Tour, he said he would work for Poga, but in the Vuelta it would be different even if Pogacar was there. So my take is that both Almeida and Ayuso have leadership for one GT per season. Ayuso had the Giro this year.

He chose to renew his contract, he knew who was in the team.

Also, only a fool would expect full leadership with zero domestic duties when they have a stronger teammate.