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Best thing about the TdF was that UAE and Pogacar didn’t need Ayuso. For a 21 year old with his career all ahead of him I find his impatience and selfishness a little hard to fathom.
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I don't. Ayuso has been touted as the next big thing since he was a junior, is objectively the best teenage climber in history and was probably promised some big things in order for his pen to hit Emirati paper. In all likelihood he has been surrounded by yes-men for a long portion of his short career. Once you hear 'yes' for long enough, you'll start to believe in delusions to a point where one thinks they deserve things they can hardly dream about. Very footballesque behaviour.
 
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I don't. Ayuso has been touted as the next big thing since he was a junior, is objectively the best teenage climber in history and was probably promised some big things in order for his pen to hit Emirati paper. In all likelihood he has been surrounded by yes-men for a long portion of his short career. Once you hear 'yes' for long enough, you'll start to believe in delusions to a point where one thinks they deserve things they can hardly dream about. Very footballesque behaviour.
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Very good summary. Maybe he needs a stint with Movistar to hit reality again.
 
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I don't. Ayuso has been touted as the next big thing since he was a junior, is objectively the best teenage climber in history and was probably promised some big things in order for his pen to hit Emirati paper. In all likelihood he has been surrounded by yes-men for a long portion of his short career. Once you hear 'yes' for long enough, you'll start to believe in delusions to a point where one thinks they deserve things they can hardly dream about. Very footballesque behaviour.
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Had Ayuso kept his focus on the Vuelta a Espana he certainly would lineup in Spain as captain this month!

If he's in full shape he actually still deserves to get team-leadership ahead of Almeida. He has beaten him twice when both focused on the Vuelta a Espana!

Ayuso has put himself in this situation by bad season planning & bad behavior!
 
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Coffeeplanter said:
I don't. Ayuso has been touted as the next big thing since he was a junior, is objectively the best teenage climber in history and was probably promised some big things in order for his pen to hit Emirati paper. In all likelihood he has been surrounded by yes-men for a long portion of his short career. Once you hear 'yes' for long enough, you'll start to believe in delusions.
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Sure. But compared to Pogacar? Come on. He’s only 21 and can wait!
 
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I'm all for Ayuso's behavior. He doesn't want to become another Soler. UAE paid the superstar money for Ayuso and now they complain he acts like a superstar? Go figure.

Would love to see him move to Red Bull, tho. Seems like every race this year Roglic ends up acting as a domestique for Vlasov of all people. Much more respectable to ride in service of a true prima donna.
 
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Kaptain Kool said:
I'm all for Ayuso's behavior. He doesn't want to become another Soler. UAE paid the superstar money for Ayuso and now they complain he acts like a superstar? Go figure.

Would love to see him move to Red Bull, tho. Seems like every race this year Roglic ends up acting as a domestique for Vlasov of all people. Much more respectable to ride in service of a true prima donna.
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Soler does whatever he wants at any race where Pogacar is absent. What's the problem for Ayuso to accept that while Pogacar is head and shoulders ahead of him?
 
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Kaptain Kool said:
I'm all for Ayuso's behavior. He doesn't want to become another Soler. UAE paid the superstar money for Ayuso and now they complain he acts like a superstar? Go figure.

Would love to see him move to Red Bull, tho. Seems like every race this year Roglic ends up acting as a domestique for Vlasov of all people. Much more respectable to ride in service of a true prima donna.
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But he's not a superstar - yet and I don't see how he would ever become another Soler? He is riding in the same team as Pogacar. At 21, he needs to wait and deliver solid results in service for his leader then he has earned the right. Like João Almeida.

In 2008 Andy Schleck showed how it should be done. Andy came 2nd in the 2007 Giro when he was just 22. At the 2008 Tour Andy rode as part of a three pronged CSC team. Carlos Sastre won the Tour. No complaints from Andy.
 
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I don't. Ayuso has been touted as the next big thing since he was a junior, is objectively the best teenage climber in history and was probably promised some big things in order for his pen to hit Emirati paper. In all likelihood he has been surrounded by yes-men for a long portion of his short career. Once you hear 'yes' for long enough, you'll start to believe in delusions to a point where one thinks they deserve things they can hardly dream about. Very footballesque behaviour.
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Also, didn't mou say that Ayuso's parents were very wealthy? Maybe he has been spoiled from the beginning.
 
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Ayuso still not being in the Vuelta squad (1st on reserve list) coupled with Gianetti's previous comments really looks like some kind of penalty by the team. Which maybe means that COVID wasn't the only reason for his Tour exit? Why to blame a sick rider, who couldn't continue anymore? The penalty is about something else. Those previous rumors about him not being a team player maybe are becoming reality.
 
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Almeida wasn't exactly known as a great teammate ahead of the 2024 Tour de France either!
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Yes, but Almeida still did a great job for Pogacar in the Tour. There are no excuses for Ayuso. Seems very selfish, impatient for his own results and unrealistic knowing who he was hired to be riding in support of. Lucky for UAE that Pogacar didn't need Ayuso. Had Vingegaard not suffered the consequences of his Basque crash it might have been different.
 
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Cookster15 said:
But he's not a superstar - yet and I don't see how he would ever become another Soler? He is riding in the same team as Pogacar. At 21, he needs to wait and deliver solid results in service for his leader then he has earned the right. Like João Almeida.

In 2008 Andy Schleck showed how it should be done. Andy came 2nd in the 2007 Giro when he was just 22. At the 2008 Tour Andy rode as part of a three pronged CSC team. Carlos Sastre won the Tour. No complaints from Andy.
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Andy wasn’t irritated about working for Sastre or Frank, he and Frank were irritated since they thought Frank could have won if Sastre didn’t attack.
 
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