Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[CyclistAbi]

OK @Salvarani, you acted like Gianetti and laid it out to Ayuso:

The only one having a problem with this is you and Ayuso, so if he feels he is being punished and doesnt want to be a part of the team anymore... up to him to find a way out. Nobody has claimed things are rosy. Himself is causing the friction and problems here. Stop igoring facts and what I have actually said.

This just some pride and entitlement at the end of the day. His ego is hurt. The plan wasnt for him to do the Vuelta and he is not entitled to get a spot, just because he dropped out of the Tour. Seeing it as a punishment that the team said "no" is childish. Buhu, the world is against me.

Only one being unreasonable here is you and Ayuso. The world doesnt revolve around you.

Then you both concluded:

And don't be childish as this is not punishment!

So far so good. Ayuso (and i) looked at it for a while and responded. Look, i didn't even want to go in the first place, as for the rest of the crap, own it!

Case closed.

 

[Salvarani]

OK @Salvarani, you acted like Gianetti and laid it out to Ayuso:



Then you both concluded:



So far so good. Ayuso (and i) looked at it for a while and responded. Look, i didn't even want to go in the first place, as for the rest of the crap, own it!

Case closed.

It is not a "punishment" and painting it as such is just instigating. He was just told no. You and him are not a child, as far as I know.

You are in the wrong here.

Case closed.

 

[Squire]

That is your opinion, mine is he is being punished, due to his behaviour at the Tour 2024.

If you just said this to begin with, most people who have responded to you wouldn't take so much issue with it, they would just disagree because multi-million dollar businesses don't operate on childish emotions. The main problem is you stating your interpretation as a fact.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If you just said this to begin with, most people who have responded to you wouldn't take so much issue with it, they would just disagree because multi-million dollar businesses don't operate on childish emotions.

You would be surprised, just look at Elon. And believe me that more money involved more funky people start to act.

Anyway, guys, when you punish your kids, by for example making them sit in at the end of the weekend, due to doing something wrong, don't confuse them. Own it, as otherwise it wont' do any good anyway.

 

[Salvarani]

Jesus christ… just give it a rest and let it go.

 

[Salvarani]

If you just said this to begin with, most people who have responded to you wouldn't take so much issue with it, they would just disagree because multi-million dollar businesses don't operate on childish emotions. The main problem is you stating your interpretation as a fact.

Exactly. 👍

 

[Lequack]

Matxin on Juan Ayuso and #LaVuelta24 "He called me and told me 'I've done several tests and I don't feel fit to face the race'. I wasn't recovering well and he gave up the idea of being the first reserve"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824330477030814105

View: https://x.com/Farolillo_Rouge/status/1824330477030814105

 

[Coffeeplanter]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

 

[noob]

Matxin on Juan Ayuso and #LaVuelta24 "He called me and told me 'I've done several tests and I don't feel fit to face the race'. I wasn't recovering well and he gave up the idea of being the first reserve"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1824330477030814105

View: https://x.com/Farolillo_Rouge/status/1824330477030814105

Gave up on the idea of being the first reserve? Is any reserve going?

 

[Mako]

What does it matter anyways. Actions speak louder than words, we'll see where good old Juan goes next year in terms of races.

 

[ice&fire]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

Easy peasy: calling it PR BS

 

[CyclistAbi]

How will @CyclistAbi ever recover from this tweet?

All i can say is Ayuso for sure doesn't look fit to race. So it indeed was the right call, to let Gianetti take the first reserve spot.

 

[RJH]

Really suffered health wise recently apparently. Otherwise UAE would’ve taken him to the Tour certainly.

2024 without a finished GT is not ideal for his development certainly but it is what it is.

First this achilles tendon case then Covid apparently. He had his fair share of bad luck. But in the long term it‘ll make him stronger.

 

[balac]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

 

[houtdffan]

unless he can come up with 100M euro, he can ride the .2 races for the next 4 years

Pog has every right to have a team of dedicated donkeys. No room to do your own thing

 

[ice&fire]

Movistar has contacted Juan's father to ask a few questions:

Movistar mueve ficha para conseguir el fichaje de Juan Ayuso

El equipo navarro ha conocido de primera mano cuáles serían las exigencias a nivel económico y deportivas de la joven estrella española y estarían dispuestos a hacer un esfuerzo por convencerle.

diariodeltriatlon.es

 

[Offline]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

3M/year. Than he just have to work for 33.3 years for buying himself out. Good luck
Ineos or Movistar will not do it.

 

[balac]

3M/year. Than he just have to work for 33.3 years for buying himself out. Good luck
Ineos or Movistar will not do it.

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

 

[Mayomaniac]

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

Pretty much this.

 

[Offline]

A judge tears up that clause in a moment for being abusive, let's be real.

But it won't get there, either Matxin and Ayuso find common ground or some team will pay an amount and he will leave.

Abusive?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yesterday, spanish TV well connected guy said that Matxin is talking PR BS, and there are definitely problems. Was said that Ineos made an offer but Gianetti referred them to Ayuso's clause.
Another article came up today in Spanish media about the Ineos offer about Ayuso. Was also said that his salary is around 3M/year.

And the Spanish coach Momparler, said in an interview today that Ayuso was perfect to go for the Olympic games and confirmed his selection for Zurich.

We will see if they can solve their problems or he ends up leaving and where.

Makes sense to me, it smelled like a PR stunt a mile away. 2 weeks ago Ayuso did perfectly fine at the Olympics on a very bad route for him, he was obviously going quite alright. Seems total baloney to me that he literally asked NOT to be part of the team in his home race with Remco, Jonas and Tadej absent! Something is very fishy, and I really hope he goes to Ineos or, of course, specifically Movistar. We could really use a leader like him, young and a bunch of talent. Enric is great, but he needs help and he really isn't cutting it in TdF.

 

[Lequack]

 

[xo 1]

Makes sense to me, it smelled like a PR stunt a mile away. 2 weeks ago Ayuso did perfectly fine at the Olympics on a very bad route for him, he was obviously going quite alright. Seems total baloney to me that he literally asked NOT to be part of the team in his home race with Remco, Jonas and Tadej absent! Something is very fishy, and I really hope he goes to Ineos or, of course, specifically Movistar. We could really use a leader like him, young and a bunch of talent. Enric is great, but he needs help and he really isn't cutting it in TdF.

Movistar seems like the perfect fit.

 

[noob]

Abusive?

Ayusive

 

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...unfit-for-la-vuelta-he-told-me-he-was-perfect

Well according to the Spanish national coach, Pascual Momparler, in conversation with Marca, Ayuso was in a more than capable shape and that's exactly why he was taken to the recent Paris Olympic Games. "No, no. Juan Ayuso was perfect. If he came it was because he was perfect. I don't know who he told that he wasn't, but he told me he was perfect. And I don't regret having taken him," the coach explains.

Original article at -
https://www.marca.com/ciclismo/vuelta-espana/2024/08/19/66c2021546163f61778b4593.html