Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Hugh Januss]

No way, exactly the opposite, it's all about team management, check the schedule, Pogacar missing 2 or 3 grand tours guy is not 27 and is already sending serious, serious warning signs..
Gets all schoolgirl when he is up, confident to confirm Vuelta, only to flip flop after getting a real race work out at TDF.
There is plenty of room in the schedule for multiple riders at UAE, can't have improv over and over and over..Del Toro can be a leader, just not by accident because of bad days and a bee sting.. Almeida can get exposure if he doesn't fall off and out of TDF, Ayuso can lead if he does specific work for Giro, Vuelta, TDF but he can't get late call while he is prepping for Africa because Tadej changes his mind. UAE's plan can't be to act like a fire department every time Pogacar changes his mind, everyone scrambling to cover new schedule.
Ayuso can go to another team and try to narrow the schedule, consolidate resources and go all in for TDF..Let's see what Bora does? Remco unlikely favorite for TDF, Roglic unlikely favorite for TDF.. Lipowitz unlikely favorite for TDF..but if Bora wants to target TDF, they can't delute the talent pool. Anywhere Ayuso goes if team is not all in for him, everything about him, 24\7 he will be in same situation as now. If you are top tier at UAE, @22 years old, I would listen to Pogacar's warnings, guy sounds like he wants to focus more, race less, sounds like more opportunities for underlings..

To me Lipowitz has to rank as the most likely TDF favorite outside of the big two. He finished 3rd in his first attempt at the TDF at age 24, and was the only other guy who could follow (for a while) when P. and V. did their thing.

 

[Red Rick]

I think he could have helped Almeida in the first part of the climb but oh well...he dropped before the sprinters. His reputation (which I still doubted early last year) is reinforced.

Almeida had the support he needed, in riders like Tom Pidcock.

 

[Cycling111]

I don't see what the big fuss is about. GC outcome is likely going to be the same for Almeida with or without Ayuso's help and this way the team gets a chance to win many stages. If the team really believed Almeida could win they would surely be able to put Ayuso in his place and make him work for the leader.

So why was there criticism of certain Visma riders when it was clear Vingegaard was going to finish second in the Tour? Let them send him alone next year. LOL

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Almeida had the support he needed, in riders like Tom Pidcock.

His support lacked balls power.

 

[Netserk]

If I were DS, I'd chain him to Almeida the rest of the race and throw him out if he disappears again.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If I were DS, I'd chain him to Almeida the rest of the race and throw him out if he disappears again.

I doubt it. Matxin loves Juan and even kisses him after stages. Not sure about other guys but Gianetti might get angry (like he did last year at the Tour).

 

[Netserk]

I doubt it. Matxin loves Juan and even kisses him after stages. Not sure about other guys but Gianetti might get angry (like he did last year at the Tour).

Yes, only wonder boy has the authority to put him in his place.

 

[carolina]

I was hoping to be wrong about him, but today was really sad. Easy day yesterday, rest day tomorrow, and he couldn't even be bothered to help a bit.

I just wonder who would want to have him as a teammate.

 

[Red Rick]

He's just saving his energy so that he can do a job for Almeida later in the race.

How is he supposed to know something would happen? Ameida didn't expect anything either.

 

[Netserk]

He's just saving his energy so that he can do a job for Almeida later in the race.

How is he supposed to know something would happen? Ameida didn't expect anything either.

Sure, this could be on the DS. But Ayuso has curated an image of himself where the first thought is that he never lifts a finger if he can get away with it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Almeida had the support he needed, in riders like Tom Pidcock.

Man your posts have increasingly become worse and worse lately. Why the trolling?

 

[Valv.Piti]

If I were DS, I'd chain him to Almeida the rest of the race and throw him out if he disappears again.

Maybe he's riding like this to make UAE accept the offer from Trek? Basically enhancing his own chances of success short term and long term. That would make sense to me, but its still very much a douche move. I wonder how the rest of his teammates think about him, Vine basically didn't contest on stage 7 that he won and Almeida is rightfully annoyed.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe he's riding like this to make UAE accept the offer from Trek? Basically enhancing his own chances of success short term and long term. That would make sense to me, but its still very much a douche move. I wonder how the rest of his teammates think about him, Vine basically didn't contest on stage 7 that he won and Almeida is rightfully annoyed.

If UAE rewards such behaviour, that's on them. So the transfer fee should rather go up than down.

 

[Valv.Piti]

If UAE rewards such behaviour, that's on them. So the transfer fee should rather go up than down.

Well, I don't really think you gain anything from DNS him to be fair. Maybe he can do something for Almeida at one point, and well, maybe he wins them a stage more or two and increases his value on top. I dno, its a hard one.

Regardless of all that he has really shown his true colours.

 

[Cycling111]

I doubt it. Matxin loves Juan and even kisses him after stages. Not sure about other guys but Gianetti might get angry (like he did last year at the Tour).

I wonder if Matxin will go to LIDL with Ayuso because of that love.

He doesn't realize that the example is counterproductive. Other guys on the team are watching how Ayuso gets everything. What will happen in the next GT? If Christian or Morgado go as domestiques. Fight for stages, and leave the leader alone?

Knowing that Ayuso is going to LIDL, it's a little absurd that Matxin keeps kissing him at the end and showing his preference over other cyclists.

He should think at the future and other young riders. This Ayuso thing is a bad example for others. They know how to get all now, and if they want to break the contract, they'll behave badly.
It can leave a team in a different way. Ayuso's Vuelta is unpleasant. Every gesture...

They've won three stages, and yet they're a laughingstock on social media.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Who should UAE have brought instead? Mcnutly? He would ride around for a 9th place on gc.

 

[yaco]

Did you watch the Tour?
Redbull, Soudal, Decathlon and Arkea had close to a full team supporting their leaders. Even Ineos had plenty of support riders.

Lets not kid ourselves. What UAE is doing means they are more focused on stage wins and let Almeida fend for himself in the wild. This is atrocious.

So you are saying that if Lidl Trek sign Ayuso, then there will no Milan or Pederson at the race. I suspect you are mistaken. And by the way Soudal had both Merlier and Remco, while red Bull had their GC riders and a sprinter.

 

[P4rthen0n]

So you are saying that if Lidl Trek sign Ayuso, then there will no Milan or Pederson at the race. I suspect you are mistaken. And by the way Soudal had both Merlier and Remco, while red Bull had their GC riders and a sprinter.

No, I didn't, you're strawmanning.
I said "Redbull, Soudal, Decathlon and Arkea had close to a full team supporting their leaders. Even Ineos had plenty of support riders", to contradict what you said that only UAE and Visma were able to do so, which wasn't true.

UAE is 100% failing at supporting their leader so far in this Vuelta. There's no way around it.

And Ayuso is not a team player. He'd be a terrible fit for Lidl Trek.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Who should UAE have brought instead? Mcnutly? He would ride around for a 9th place on gc.

Teddy but he is undergoing existential crisis. Their dilemma will probably end soon when Ayuso leaves the team.

 

[Jan the Man]

Majka?

 

[Red Rick]

He should've come in with the 2nd group like Soler. Or like Adam Yates and Brandon McNulty in the Giro. Would've skated all the criticism.

 

[tobydawq]

It is hard not to sort of like him, just doesn't care at all. A sort of egocentric nihilist. Wonderful

I find it quite easy to not like him.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He should've come in with the 2nd group like Soler. Or like Adam Yates and Brandon McNulty in the Giro. Would've skated all the criticism.

Yes, or just be in the peloton and pull for a few minutes for Almeida and then sit up. There's a freaking rest day tomorrow, dropping like he did today was totally unjustified.

 

[bNator]

He should've come in with the 2nd group like Soler. Or like Adam Yates and Brandon McNulty in the Giro. Would've skated all the criticism.

What’s with all the whataboutism? Soler, McNulty and Yates can all be criticised for their lack of team loyalty in their respective threads. Though you’d be hard pressed to find a at thing remotely similar to what Ayuso is doing with those guys…

I mean what’s wrong with this guy, seriously? I’ve never seen anything like that. Not even close.

 

[Red Rick]

What’s with all the whataboutism? Soler, McNulty and Yates can all be criticised for their lack of team loyalty in their respective threads. Though you’d be hard pressed to find a at thing remotely similar to what Ayuso is doing with those guys…

They could, but they're not, which is exactly my point.