Jumbo - QuickStep merger

[RedheadDane]

Hopefully, this will turn out to be as ridiculous a rumour as the Evenepoel-to-Ineos one.

 

[pastronef]

Hopefully, this will turn out to be as ridiculous a rumour as the Evenepoel-to-Ineos one.

If I think about the teams personnel I agree
but if this takeover-merger happens, there will be 1 more GT wild card
if Lotto doesn't buy the vacating WT license (and Israel buys it) they could skip the Giro again, so there's be a Giro WC for Bardiani, Eolo-Polti, Tudor, Q36.5
TDF: Lotto, Uno-X, Total, and 1 more
Vuelta: Lotto, Caja, Euskaltel, Burgos/Kern

and if it happens I don't think Remco will stay with Plugge, and Remco wearing an Ineos jersey could become true

 

[staubsauger]

Polti & Tudor should be safe for the 2024 Giro d'Italia. Especially Tudor, due to their sponsorship of the race and since they've added Dainese & Storer to their roster!

 

[pastronef]

Polti & Tudor should be safe for the 2024 Giro d'Italia. Especially Tudor, due to their sponsorship of the race and since they've added Dainese & Storer to their roster!

Tudor for sure. Polti too. il Isarel buys the WT licence and Lotto skips the Giro, both Bardiani and Q36.5 can get a WC. that's what I hope it happens

 

[Samamba]

Tudor for sure. Polti too. il Isarel buys the WT licence and Lotto skips the Giro, both Bardiani and Q36.5 can get a WC. that's what I hope it happens

Pretty sure it means that (right now) UNO X would be getting the guaranteed wildcards.

 

[pastronef]

Pretty sure it means that (right now) UNO X would be getting the guaranteed wildcards.

think about the TDF (with Israel WT): 18 WT + Lotto, Uno-X, Total and 1 more WC for another team!

 

[samhocking]

Hopefully, this will turn out to be as ridiculous a rumour as the Evenepoel-to-Ineos one.

There's an even crazier rumour that Lefevere leaked this story on purpose to lure Ineos to raise their price against Jumbo's offer.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

I don't know their contracts and I doubt you do either?

But if you have a contract with X and X becomes Y, then legally it seems Y is a new entity. I am reaching here, but you catch my drift I think.

🙃😀

But is that not the difference between a merger and a takeover? In a true merger, the assets and responsibilities of both parties remain. Where there is duplication, the new combined entity either has excess assets to sell, or financial resposibility for resources that it cannot use or contracts that it no longer needs, so disruption follows, but the merged entity decides which to retain and which to discard.

And we really don't know whether we are looking at a merger, or simply the closure of a team and a sponsor moving, with a preferred, but by no means obligatory, future path for some of the resources of that team..

 

[samhocking]

It all hangs off the paying agent. Essentially a merger isn't technically possible. One team is disbanded completely because the UCI rules do not allow one merged team to have two paying agents afaik.

 

[staubsauger]

Leipheimer & Contador went to Astana, because they had a valid contract with Bruyneel.

Was that because Bruyneel took over Astana's then paying agent?

If so, how did most Astana riders transfer to Radioshack, but Contador was contractual bounded to Astana for 2010? Did he prolong his contract with the "sponsor Astana" itself or was it some sort of deal made which never was published?

 

[Armchair cyclist]

But if the team is the paying agent, at the point of merger do they not become one paying agent?

Albeit a paying agent obliged to pay more riders than it can register for the season.

 

[awavey]

Lol, definitely not apple

That's the thing Apple don't need to be sponsors for anyone because their brand is already so well established with consumers, they'd just be chucking money away.

 

[awavey]

Not sure why this drone footage has resurfaced as its nearly 2 years old, but it shows you the depth of the operating facilities JV have, imagine a combined setup with Quickstep who must have something similar

Welcome at our new Service Course💛 | New year, new home🪄 Welcome at our new Service Course💛 #samenwinnen | By Team Jumbo-Visma Cycling | Facebook

New year, new home🪄 Welcome at our new Service Course💛 #samenwinnen

fb.watch

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

https://x.com/cyclingtakes/status/1707019421103915424?s=46&t=v78FW2xUlI-JJSgA79OVfw

daaaamn why can’t I get the Twitter embed to work…

For those not opening the link:

1: Patrick Lefevere was spotted at the Jumbo-Visma service course on Monday

2: Jumbo-Visma and Specialized representatives were spotted meeting each other in Breda yesterday.

 

[Netserk]

daaaamn why can’t I get the Twitter embed to work…

Use twitter.com instead of x.com.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707019421103915424

View: https://twitter.com/cyclingtakes/status/1707019421103915424

 

[ManicJack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707019421103915424

View: https://twitter.com/cyclingtakes/status/1707019421103915424

I'd like to know the source

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I'd like to know the source

This guy saw Jumbo and Specialized:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707033215947428138

View: https://twitter.com/onnej81/status/1707033215947428138?s=46&t=v78FW2xUlI-JJSgA79OVfw


If you click into his profile there is more tweets about him seeing them.

 

[joseph89]

Maybe remco considers JV/SQS more attractive than a move to ineos. Interesting

 

[RedheadDane]

Maybe remco considers JV/SQS more attractive than a move to ineos. Interesting

Or maybe he considers SQS - his plan all along - the more attractive choice.

 

[proffate]

If the merger goes through who benefits from the Jumbo performance package upgrade?

Asgreen is nearly back to his best and would be next level.

Landa would be pure flames but he would need to go rogue.

Asgreen wins next year's TDF queen stage

 

[Rob5091]

There's an even crazier rumour that Lefevere leaked this story on purpose to lure Ineos to raise their price against Jumbo's offer.

Crazier things have happened and who exactly talked to the media?

 

[proffate]

It all hangs off the paying agent. Essentially a merger isn't technically possible. One team is disbanded completely because the UCI rules do not allow one merged team to have two paying agents afaik.

The legal entity that owns the UCI license and has Soudal as an advertising partner need not disband just because it gives up a UCI license.

Some riders have individual sponsorships that supplement or compose the majority of their salary. Wout wears that awful helmet for example. So I don't think it's a problem if a lot of your salary comes from somewhere outside a UCI team. (Sort of an exploitable loophole for all those rider salary protections the UCI attempts to enforce, but then what UCI regulation doesn't have a loophole?)

 

[samhocking]

The legal entity that owns the UCI license and has Soudal as an advertising partner need not disband just because it gives up a UCI license.

Some riders have individual sponsorships that supplement or compose the majority of their salary. Wout wears that awful helmet for example. So I don't think it's a problem if a lot of your salary comes from somewhere outside a UCI team. (Sort of an exploitable loophole for all those rider salary protections the UCI attempts to enforce, but then what UCI regulation doesn't have a loophole?)

Of course they disband, there's one licence owner and one paying agent that either registers the team and contracted riders for the following season or they don't. If they don't, the number of UCI world tour teams is 1 team less. Individual contracts from the disbanded team can of course be renegotiated with the paying agent absorbing them though obviously, but many contracts are also made invalid so those riders are free to search for new teams.

 

[joseph89]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707041336245776626

View: https://twitter.com/PatLefevere/status/1707041336245776626?t=3FBABw6JVDSgvzvah0Gk4Q&s=19


Only virtually 🤣

 

[saunaking]

omg 17 pages on this fake news