JV talks, sort of

[Race Radio]

So, I'll be really disappointed if I don't see you guys comment on the interview with Patrick Lefevere.

Here is my comment

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing....it makes it easier to know who the idiots are

 

[Escarabajo]

http://www.phys.washington.edu/users/savage/Cycling/LookingAtTheData/AIC.html

Thanks JV. Great data.

2007??
EPO - CERA

 

[Escarabajo]

Thanks JV. Great data.

2007??
EPO - CERA

Also something interesting to see post 2001 is the longetivety of the riders in the Peloton. We can see the times being more humanly possible but being acomplished by more older riders. Which is also indicative of doping. Men performance start to decline after 30 years old according to Balco.

 

[hiero2]

So, I'll be really disappointed if I don't see you guys comment on the interview with Patrick Lefevere.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-there-has-never-been-organised-doping-on-my-team

This one?

I call BS on this:


When team staff help riders dope, it is organised doping in my book.

PS: Congratulation for the victory by Martin

If that is the interview JV is referring to, I also call major BS. Let me be kind, and assume he is being honest when he says "no organized doping". For that to be possible, would mean that Lefevre has a much narrower definition of "organized doping" than I do. It reminds me of Clinton questioning how to define "is". I am a Clinton supporter - but that was not one of his brighter moments. Definitely playing dodgeball.

 

[Escarabajo]

Thanks JV. Great data.

2007??
EPO - CERA

Also something interesting to see post 2001 is that there are more older riders in the Peloton can perform like the younger riders of the 80’s. We can see the times being more humanly possible but being accomplished by more over 30 yr old riders. Which is also indicative of doping. Men performance starts to decline after 30 years old according to Victor Conte.

 

[blackcat]

.....................JV finally invites Lance over for dinner

need more argyle, or the very least some tartan and da hund

who would your fox be j v ?

 

[blackcat]

Also something interesting to see post 2001 is that there are more older riders in the Peloton can perform like the younger riders of the 80’s. We can see the times being more humanly possible but being accomplished by more over 30 yr old riders. Which is also indicative of doping. Men performance starts to decline after 30 years old according to Balco.

not that we agree with everything Conte and Balco says. Cos frankly Conte will be part of the busthrowundery if it paints him in a better light, and he will lie like a cornered strongarm.

But GTs are all about recovery.

when your natural testo starts to recede in your mid 20's, but your peak GT stage is in you early-mid 30s, i would say....

NOT NORMAL

 

[ChewbaccaD]

So, I'll be really disappointed if I don't see you guys comment on the interview with Patrick Lefevere.

Here is my comment: Lefevere has and always will be a lying sack of monkey sh!t.

Under his guidance a number of riders including Richard Virenque, Johan Museeuw and Michele Bartoli have all found success

 

[Scott SoCal]

So, I'll be really disappointed if I don't see you guys comment on the interview with Patrick Lefevere.

PL firing Levi was a punk move. But PL is much more than just a punk.

One might think that he and his star classics rider from yesteryear should get on the same page before PL declares himself pure as the driven snow.

In this day, with his background and the riders he coveted he has zero credibility and he knows it... which begs the question: who the F does he think he's talking to?

 

[blackcat]

If that is the interview JV is referring to, I also call major BS. Let me be kind, and assume he is being honest when he says "no organized doping". For that to be possible, would mean that Lefevre has a much narrower definition of "organized doping" than I do. It reminds me of Clinton questioning how to define "is". I am a Clinton supporter - but that was not one of his brighter moments. Definitely playing dodgeball.

patty le fefffa is playing with moths in the light.

the real question is, when does the 6 degrees of kevin bacon, the plausible deniability program that is not a program, transcend the invisible line of ambiguity to undeniable implausibility.


when colleagues and teammates share sources, suppliers, motoman and mrs rumsas, when does this become a defacto team system?

this is the question and spectrum, all principals of teams have to skirt, or flirt with. sometimes when big prizes and rewards are on the horizon, they fly too close.

Gallic Ho. It WOULD NOT have all come out in the fullness of time.

Armstrong was protected. He was home free. Like Bolt and Lewis and the other 7 who ran against Ben Johnson. The entire system is built on these myths upheld. He should not have come back, and should have protected his legacy.

 

[Mr.38%]

But GTs are all about recovery.

when your natural testo starts to recede in your mid 20's, but your peak GT stage is in you early-mid 30s, i would say....

NOT NORMAL

You should read up about acoggans TSS/CTL model (which is more or less based on cortisol levels). Bottom line is: train more to train more. There are not many cyclists who are able to build up a base (CTL) of say 200+ in their early twenties without chemical assistance. That and the dreaded efficiency topic.

While I think Coggan sometimes makes an @ss of himself in The Clinic, his researches are fascinating.

 

[Benotti69]

Lefevere's been beat more than a dead horse and this isn't his thread, so not here at the very least.

Yes.

He is another who needs to be fired from the sport. But this aint the Lefevere thread.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

When did Armstrong and Pantani climb Alpe D’Huez in 30 minutes?

Lemond's fastest time was 41 minutes.

It is a reference to the 1986 duo climb with Hinault. Softpedalling in 48 minutes.

On good old Patrick Lefevre, this interview is more telling:
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20130322_00514690

Is is bad to say, but visionary collegues like Saiz and Bruyneel are gone, they thought buisinesslike, in the long term. Now I am sitting at meetings and think 'what am I doing here'.

Lefevre, le penseur

http://www.standaard.be/artikel/detail.aspx?artikelid=DMF20130322_00515026

Nice quote on Gilbert in that one: corticosteroids...

 

[Zaragon]

Congratulations to Dan Martin and Garmin-Sharp with their victory in the Volta a Catalunya 2013. A great success for team and management. Hip-Hip Hooray. Great performance. May the success continue.........

 

[Winterfold]

I've got a question for JV - is the feeling you get from doping, that is the increased performance as a result of doping in and of itself, addictive, or thrilling to the point of being addictive?

Putting down the power, even just riding on your own feels good (even better if you are dishing it out and laying on the hurt), and the more you can put down the better it feels.

I imagine climbing Ventoux in under an hour is pretty mind-blowing, and once experienced, its difficult to put that genie back in the bottle?

 

[Galic Ho]

patty le fefffa is playing with moths in the light.

the real question is, when does the 6 degrees of kevin bacon, the plausible deniability program that is not a program, transcend the invisible line of ambiguity to undeniable implausibility.


when colleagues and teammates share sources, suppliers, motoman and mrs rumsas, when does this become a defacto team system?

this is the question and spectrum, all principals of teams have to skirt, or flirt with. sometimes when big prizes and rewards are on the horizon, they fly too close.

Gallic Ho. It WOULD NOT have all come out in the fullness of time.

Armstrong was protected. He was home free. Like Bolt and Lewis and the other 7 who ran against Ben Johnson. The entire system is built on these myths upheld. He should not have come back, and should have protected his legacy.

Moths in the light. Funny, very funny.

With LA, I've been saying the same thing for years. If he didn't come back this would never have happened. I've been saying since the end of 2010, beginning of 2011. He opened the door to his demise. Thank you Lance for thinking about people like those that inhabit the Clinic. It was so thoughtful of you to keep on giving.

As for Lefevre. Hahahaha...load of crock. Man is he on some serious medication if he expects anyone with an iota of intellect to buy that hogwash. Scott SoCal is right. Was and still is a punk move to fire Leipheimer and I dare say few here like the man as a rider.

Don't believe his lie about how USA would say he is pro omerta if he fired him and Europe would have said the same if he did not fire Levi. Convenient lie to disguise what he did...I think he owed somebody a favour. Firing him was upholding omerta. Favour to Lance and the boys club. After all whose mug did I see plastered on all those videos in the bus and training rides with Lance? Levi Leipheimer in every single one. Bosom buddies. Kind of like Tyler and Lance were I guess. Take what Lance said to Levi's missus in a text...'don't walk. RUN.' Yeah Bottle talking must have really burnt Lance and Bruyneel and co...Lefevre was doing them a favour IMO.

 

[Franklin]

I feel the need to repeat this question as I think it's a fundamental issue.

Jonathan, My question:

There are still doctors in cycling who are known to have been assisting in doping. A certain doctor who was involved with one of your riders, David Millar, is still involved with a team. He's a relatively lesser known name, so he can continue without anyone inquiring about his status.

Cycling won't improve until these people are removed from the sport. They have been part of the system for so long. How do you vision this to be solved? All the teams agreeing? UCI/IOC/WADA legislation? Just the indivdual team's responsibility?

 

[JRanton]

I can't speak for every ex-doper, but my opinion is, for the most part, the ones that get caught or admit, are much less dangerous than the ones that never did. And those of us that did get caught or admit keep a pretty close eye on those that never did.

JV

I found this an interesting comment.

It begs the question, who was keeping an eye on all the former dopers on Team Sky in 2011/12 who had never been caught or admitted to anything?

When you put that together with the cut throat, winning is everything mentality that exists on that team, it doesn't make for a great combination does it?

 

[ElChingon]

I found this an interesting comment.

It begs the question, who was keeping an eye on all the former dopers on Team Sky in 2011/12 who had never been caught or admitted to anything?

When you put that together with the cut throat, winning is everything mentality that exists on that team, it doesn't make for a great combination does it?

It reads as dopers keeping an eye on dopers but never ever telling anyone what they fully know, omerta lives on. Furthering the farce, sure they take pot shots but those have no effect as we've seen.

 

[Dave_1]

Re 24 hrs chaperones for GC leaders...why not have a private investigator
watch who comes and goes...easy way to know and catch

 

[Benotti69]

Would love to believe that clean riders can beat doping riders, but how is that possible?

 

[Ferminal]

What doping riders?

 

[gooner]

Would love to believe that clean riders can beat doping riders, but how is that possible?

You just couldn't resist it, could you.

Sorry that the rider this week has no link with Ferrari for you.

 

[Netserk]

What doping riders?

Valverde and Scarponi for starters.

 

[the sceptic]

Valverde and Scarponi for starters.

Didnt they stop doping in 2008?