JV talks, sort of

[blackcat]

What difference can you make on the outside between dopers and non-dopers? For me everyone is doing it, so the only hope I have is that every riders dopes somewhat similarly.

Why can't people just enjoy cycling without judging the riders, wheter it is positively or negatively. I've seen great tactics and attacks today and Daniel was the strongest with an amazing jump. But I don't know why you should lable it as clean, it sickens me tbh.

this sums up my position.

 

[blackcat]

Doping only works in small races in Costa rica these days. In classics you have been able to win without doping since 2008.

thats right.

you only come into your own when clean at one day monuments above 250kilometres.

at 250-260, there is something like a doping kryptonite. you spontaneously combust.

brailsford and jonny vee recognised this before all else.

 

[Ripper]

yeah. like you go back on the past two decades of LBL, name me one winner that was on bread and water.

Well there was ... umm, and then there was, hmmmmm.

Hey, how about Vi ... Oops. I mean how about that Ty ... Oh ya.

Never mind

 

[ElChingon]

What the hell is this?

From Replay on RTVE http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/ciclismo/ciclismo-lieja-bastogen-lieja/1778467/

@27:53

Don't want a panic, just want to know what it is.

 

[weeniebeenie]

The argyle tape on his neck? Its for the race radio.

https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/323390114053120003/photo/1

 

[Ferminal]

yeah. like you go back on the past two decades of LBL, name me one winner that was on bread and water.

Maxim Iglinskiy

 

[ElChingon]

The argyle tape on his neck? Its for the race radio.

https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/323390114053120003/photo/1

Someone else told me its that tape some riders place on their legs or arms, I forget the name supposedly he had it for his neck as there's one on the other side as well if you look on the video when he gets off the podium and stops at the table.

 

[thehog]

The argyle tape on his neck? Its for the race radio.

https://twitter.com/Ride_Argyle/status/323390114053120003/photo/1

Covers up the injection point

 

[rata de sentina]

Covers up the injection point

Actually it covers up the utp port.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And now a serious question:
http://legaciclismo.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/mpcc-queste-le-38-squadre-aderenti-di-cui-6-in-prova/

How about that MPCC and letting in dodgy/under investigation doctors?
* Menuet
* Mantovani
* Guardascione
* Besnati

Those are no small fish in cycling, how can those guys be involved at the Movemenent Pour Cyclisme Credible? Have they sworn on their mother they are no longer involved in doping practises?

 

[thehog]

Actually it covers up the utp port.

Could be a Skyborg port? Modified for the Garmin setting?

 

[Benotti69]

I see JV still giving the ol PR BS a lash

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-on-martins-liege-win-and-anti-doping-stance

“Dan didn’t have to face the same decisions as those other guys. Never. And thank God for that. Also thank them for that. I’ve watched many guys with incredibly strong resolve against doping slowly succumb to the system. We are lucky we never have to see Dan tested that way.”

It seems the PEDs have disappeared from the sport and their is no temptation to take any, well not since 2005 when everyone stopped because the bad man went away.

Dan Martin was racing in 2005, a time when all his current team mates confessed to have been doping in the sport. He was beating up U23 guys in 2006 when Floyd Landis was disqualified after winning the Tour de France. A lot of those U23 guys must have been on PEDs, but Martin beat them.

WADA has issued warnings on new drugs. I suppose the peloton has decided enough is enough so WADA shouldn't bother should they, well not to the cycling community. I use the word community but maybe brotherhood sums them up better. No dope in Girona, Spain, the roads there lead to a utopia where bread and water have magical gains........

This is the type of PR crap the UCI is loving, that Armstrong brought the dope into the sport, he was to blame and now he is gone, follow the yellow brick road, follow the yellow brick road, follow follow follow the yellow brick road....

 

[Netserk]

Question to JV:

What has changed on the anti-doping front from 2009 and to 2012?

 

[Le Baroudeur]

I see JV still giving the ol PR BS a lash

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-on-martins-liege-win-and-anti-doping-stance...

...This is the type of PR crap the UCI is loving, that Armstrong brought the dope into the sport, he was to blame and now he is gone, follow the yellow brick road, follow the yellow brick road, follow follow follow the yellow brick road....

Don't let facts get in the way...

There are five follow's in the chorus not three.

 

[gooner]

I see JV still giving the ol PR BS a lash

I don't see how this is PR.

Unless you think JV is like Bruyneel who encourages his own riders to dope with immense pressure.

JV is obviously referring on his own experiences and environment at USP and contrasting that now at Garmin under his leadership.

I'm also not surprised he said this either about Dan:

He always expresses very strong and unedited opinions regarding anti-doping. He always wants to make sure that everyone understands his perspective on it. There’s no way around it and he’s always been like that. He was just very clear in his mindset and moral compass,” Vaughters told Cyclingnews.

He was very vocal after Haut Var and the Mediterranean about no testing.

It seems the PEDs have disappeared from the sport and their is no temptation to take any, well not since 2005 when everyone stopped because the bad man went away.

Dan Martin was racing in 2005, a time when all his current team mates confessed to have been doping in the sport. He was beating up U23 guys in 2006 when Floyd Landis was disqualified after winning the Tour de France. A lot of those U23 guys must have been on PEDs, but Martin beat them.

So what?

Shane Stokes said Mark Scanlon won the junior Worlds clean in Vaulkenburg in 1998 when he beat Pozzato and he got told afterwards the Italian team were shocked when they found out about it. It was done before.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

IDan Martin was racing in 2005, a time when all his current team mates confessed to have been doping in the sport. He was beating up U23 guys in 2006 when Floyd Landis was disqualified after winning the Tour de France. A lot of those U23 guys must have been on PEDs, but Martin beat them.

And then, despite being one of the most highly touted espoirs around, he signed for a piddling little new second division team, at that point notable only because of their insistence that they were dope free. Odd behaviour that, no?

Let me guess. You are going with the "Machiavellian genius, using his astonishing powers of foresight to play the long game" theory, right?

 

[Benotti69]

I don't see how this is PR.

Unless you think JV is like Bruyneel who encourages his own riders to dope with immense pressure.

JV is obviously referring on his own experiences and environment at USP and contrasting that now at Garmin under his leadership.

We have already forgotten how a Garmin DS, Matt White sent a Garmin rider to a doping doctor, have we? JV does not live in Girona. The riders do along with other pros from other teams.

I'm also not surprised he said this either about Dan:

He was very vocal after Haut Var and the Mediterranean about no testing.

Ah sure why would they need testing when everything is so clean the clean teams win?

So what?

Shane Stokes said Mark Scanlon won the junior Worlds clean in Vaulkenburg in 1998 when he beat Pozzato and he got told afterwards the Italian team were shocked when they found out about it. It was done before.

The baby Giro has all the riders ensconed in hotels where they are under constant suveillance to prevent doping.

And then, despite being one of the most highly touted espoirs around, he signed for a piddling little new second division team, at that point notable only because of their insistence that they were dope free. Odd behaviour that, no?

Garmin are piddling? What offers did Martin get? Do you know?

A wanne be pro might sing for a team that has never had a rider test positive. Ever consider that?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Garmin are piddling? What offers did Martin get? Do you know?

A post ago you were telling us how he was beating up the U23 scene, which struck me as a slight exaggeration, but he certainly was one of the most highly touted espoirs. Now you want us to believe that he couldn't get an offer on a big or moderate size pro team?

And yes, when Martin signed a contract with Team Slipstream (not Garmin yet) it would have been 2007, leading to him starting to racing for them in 2008, when they became Garmin-Chipotle powered by somebody or other. By which time they were a smallish ProConti outfit with only one real claim to fame: Their public anti-doping stance. What an inexplicable decision for him to make.

A wanne be pro might sing for a team that has never had a rider test positive. Ever consider that?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Is this your attempt to hint at the Machiavellian genius theory?

 

[Benotti69]

A post ago you were telling us how he was beating up the U23 scene,

Trouble reading. JV informed everyone how Martin was beating the U23s.

which struck me as a slight exaggeration, but he certainly was one of the most highly touted espoirs.

JV's BS. Never said Martin was not talented. Just want to know how he can beat dopers at LBL.

Now you want us to believe that he couldn't get an offer on a big or moderate size pro team?

You offered no proof to what teams were interested.

And yes, when Martin signed a contract with Team Slipstream (not Garmin yet) it would have been 2007, leading to him starting to racing for them in 2008, when they became Garmin-Chipotle powered by somebody or other. By which time they were a smallish ProConti outfit with only one real claim to fame: Their public anti-doping stance. What an inexplicable decision for him to make.

Their Marketing to get notice, was anti doping. A team full of ex dopers.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Is this your attempt to hint at the Machiavellian genius theory?

Some spelling errrors. But since you seem to lack the capacity to decipher a sentence with some errors, here it is again.

A want to be pro might sign for a team that has never had a rider test positive but is full of experienced dopers. Ever consider that?

 

[roundabout]

I thought Slipstream was talked about quite a bit during 2007. They got an invite for over half of the PT races in 2008.

Martin may have had better offers, but Garmin wasn't that bad

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And then, despite being one of the most highly touted espoirs around, he signed for a piddling little new second division team, at that point notable only because of their insistence that they were dope free. Odd behaviour that, no?

Lets not overdo it Zinoviev. In Dan's category there are/were a lot of talented riders.

What happened to for instance:
* Dominique Cornu
* Konovalovas
* Kangert
* El Fares
* Hermans
* Bakelands

[not mentioning the Gesinks/Hagens/Spilak/Cavendashs etc etc]

Was Dan top dog of his age category? Dont think so.

Also not that important. .

I will say this, he was/is much more talented than the top guy from Kenya, still is in my humble opinion.

 

[gooner]

Ah sure why would they need testing when everything is so clean the clean teams win?

Dan never said the sport was fully clean. If you listened to Newstalk last night you would have heard him say there will always be cheats that step over the line in future, so it shouldn't be any surprise that he wouldn't be happy about no testing in races he's competing in.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Their Marketing to get notice, was anti doping.[...]
A want to be pro might sign for a team that has never had a rider test positive but is full of experienced dopers. Ever consider that?

The "Machiavellian genius using his enormous powers of foresight to play a long game" theory it is.

To be fair to you, that particular theory does offer you some long term value. After all, if he continues to coast through his career without a doping positive, or the slightest association with a scandal, or any hint of an unusual desire to pay gynaecologists for training plans, that too will merely be further evidence of his evil brilliance. If he continues to fail to put in the kind of super-human performances that were once routine, that's just proof he's smart enough to always hold back. Indeed publicly complaining when there aren't controls at races is exactly the sort of double bluff you'd expect from this wily young fox.

 

[Benotti69]

Dan never said the sport was fully clean. If you listened to Newstalk last night you would have heard him say there will always be cheats that step over the line in future, so it shouldn't be any surprise that he wouldn't be happy about no testing in races he's competing in.

I did hear him on off the ball and Joe fumbled the doping question.

But how does he beat the dopers?

 

[Benotti69]

if he continues to coast through his career without a doping positive, or the slightest association with a scandal, or any hint of an unusual desire to pay gynaecologists for training plans, that too will merely be further evidence of his evil brilliance.

I am prepared to wait a long time before i decide who was clean in 2013.

If he continues to fail to put in the kind of super-human performances that were once routine, that's just proof he's smart enough to always hold back. Indeed publicly complaining when there aren't controls at races is exactly the sort of double bluff you'd expect from this wily young fox.

I have no expectation that the sport will surprise me anymore in regards to doping.

No one seems to be able to answer the simple question, why are clean(supposedly) riders beating dopers?