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JV talks, sort of

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Benotti69 said:
But Doc, JV is on the inside, ya know, he knows, if you know what i mean so it aint cool for JV to say 'i dont know', ya know........................

JV has real skin in this game while people like me, an anonymous (okay, not really) @sshole who shoots spitballs from the cheap seats, suffer no real repercussions for making public statements about my opinion on the cleanliness of Sky/Froome/Porte. The repercussions he would experience aren't theoretical. They guy is trying to make a living running a cycling team, and trying to provide a living for a lot of people who ride and work with his team. He's fu*ked in both ends with rides like today as if he says something, sponsors and organizations associated with the sport will look VERY unfavorably at him spitting in the soup like that with no actual proof...and he is also screwed as the fans reaction to rides like today dissuade sponsors form giving their money to cycling teams.

I know you hate the guy, but JV is not the problem with cycling.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Some people sure have rose coloured glasses on.

"I don't know" is exactly the same as no comment.

Yet somehow, it gets turned into a "massive shift in his position that the peloton is cleaner".

Good. Grief.

No it isn't, and if you were not looking at this through your own bias regarding JV, you'd clearly see that.
 
BroDeal said:
JV has said he is responsible for his team and feels confident in his riders. He is not Sky's keeper. It is not Garmin's riders who are posting up times equal to the height of the transfusion era. You cannot use Sky's performance to damn JV.

Thank you.
You accurately summed up what I was trying to say...
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this.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
No it isn't, and if you were not looking at this through your own bias regarding JV, you'd clearly see that.

I have no bias vs JV. I have bias vs lying.

JV has been saying all along Froome has the numbers, from Aigle, way back in the day, remember?

JV rode alongside Armstrong and saw how Lance trained and how he raced, how he performed.

JV runs a team, has a NaVarduskus (sp no offence dude your name is hard to spell from memory) and other riders doing the 6W/kg thing with his super dooper testing protocols declaring them clean. Ryder winning the Giro as long as you trump up a few excuses or reasons for strange blood parameters.

And then Aigle numbers man loses more weight, blasts out more power, and makes a mockery of the rest of the peloton.

And you really think JV doesn't know?

Uh huh.
 
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I believe JV is being honest about his team, his belief things were cleaner (turns out, he could be wrong...and he suggested so today), and his inability to call what happened today believable.

For you to say you have no bias is interesting, but I wouldn't go around talking about the honesty of others if you are going to write things like that.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
I believe JV is being honest about his team, his belief things were cleaner (turns out, he could be wrong...and he suggested so today), and his inability to call what happened today believable.

For you to say you have no bias is interesting, but I wouldn't go around talking about the honesty of others if you are going to write things like that.

JV lies. I dislike lies and lying. Completely. The fact that he's coming on here and lying and I question it is the only "proof" you have of my "bias".

Legeay doped.
JV doped.
Legeay hired JV as a rider and said - you don't need to dope / don't dope / no you can't have a cortisone injection.
JV doped anyway.

A bunch of riders doped.

JV hires that bunch of riders, and others.
JV tells them - you don't need to dope / don't dope.
???
Profit.

I believe JV doesn't know everything going on with his team, but he won't admit it.

I believe the bias here is for JV. Because some people are honoured to be around cycling "royalty", even virtually, here on the forum. I personally couldn't care less if you won every race and out-strategised every DS. If what you say is FOS, I don't like what you say, and will question it.

This is how I feel towards anyone. Tell the truth or stfu.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
JV lies. I dislike lies and lying. Completely. The fact that he's coming on here and lying and I question it is the only "proof" you have of my "bias".

Legeay doped.
JV doped.
Legeay hired JV as a rider and said - you don't need to dope / don't dope / no you can't have a cortisone injection.
JV doped anyway.

A bunch of riders doped.

JV hires that bunch of riders, and others.
JV tells them - you don't need to dope / don't dope.
???
Profit.

I believe JV doesn't know everything going on with his team, but he won't admit it.

I believe the bias here is for JV. Because some people are honoured to be around cycling "royalty", even virtually, here on the forum. I personally couldn't care less if you won every race and out-strategised every DS. If what you say is FOS, I don't like what you say, and will question it.

This is how I feel towards anyone. Tell the truth or stfu.

Lighten-up Frances.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Huh?

rata de stenata is insinuating my English comprehension is poor and you are calling me a liar, and yet I am meant to lighten up.

Right.

Gotcha.

Yea, that's what I'm suggesting...your English comprehension seems spot on.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
I have no bias vs JV. I have bias vs lying.
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And you really think JV doesn't know?

Uh huh.
I can't get that far. I think the guy really believed that if he had Sky's budget he could get the right riders and create the right conditions to win the tour. Clean. I think the guy actually looked at Sky winning last year and thought that was what you would get if you had the cash to do it right. And I think he looked at today's stage and wondered if his belief system wasn't based on a shaky premise. Because that wasn't Bradley Wiggins (whose pedigree and performances JV believed in) grinding out a stage win, that was two men whose pedigrees are about 3 years long blasting every other GT man off the mountain. So yeah, I think he really doesn't know what he saw. But I bet it looks eerily familiar.
 
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rata de sentina said:
Or he doesn't know. Today's events are only going to dismay people who are advocates of a cleaner era purely on appearances alone irrespective of the facts. They even felt the need to comment on it on the TV when Froome was on the podium.

So you are saying he actually does not know of all the calculations that were made in this thread some of which he provided? He was trolling us with those numbers then?

Don't worry, he knows. What he does will decide if he carry's the suitcase or the bags.
 
Either way fine by me, just think 'no comment' wouldn't be open to any discussion. He knows what is going on and everybody knows that he knows so he simply chooses not to talk about it. Millar on the other hand, could it be cynicism?
 
zastomito said:
Either way fine by me, just think 'no comment' wouldn't be open to any discussion. He knows what is going on and everybody knows that he knows so he simply chooses not to talk about it. Millar on the other hand, could it be cynicism?

Never confuse Millar with someone who cares about doping. For him, playing the part of an anti-doping advocate is merely a way to resurrect his image and gain publicity for himself. It is all an act to benefit himself, and telling the obvious truth about Sky would not endear him to his beloved British public.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
JV has real skin in this game while people like me, an anonymous (okay, not really) @sshole who shoots spitballs from the cheap seats, suffer no real repercussions for making public statements about my opinion on the cleanliness of Sky/Froome/Porte.

The repercussions he would experience aren't theoretical.

Then he should be doing a Lefevere and not posting on a forum playing the sport is cleanING up becuase of Vaughters etc.....

ChewbaccaD said:
They guy is trying to make a living running a cycling team, and trying to provide a living for a lot of people who ride and work with his team. He's fu*ked in both ends with rides like today as if he says something, sponsors and organizations associated with the sport will look VERY unfavorably at him spitting in the soup like that with no actual proof...and he is also screwed as the fans reaction to rides like today dissuade sponsors form giving their money to cycling teams.

Chew, his choice to try and use a forum to gain extra kudos for Garmin and the sport as whole. Live by the sword.......

ChewbaccaD said:
I know you hate the guy, but JV is not the problem with cycling.

Nope, hate his coming in here with titbits and hints when he should not be here but doing something similar to Vroomen's blog if he wants to communicate directly with fans. JV is a big named insider in the sport but he gives very little away, then why come here? We know who he is so he cant go doing what the rest of us do, so why not post anonymous and then leak stuff he would like to leak.
I see his coming here as trying to add kudos to clean team garmin. It benefits JV the most to hang out in the infamous echo chamber where 12 lunatics rant and rave about doping......

JV is part of the problem with cycling, but he is not the biggest problem. His labelling Sky a a clean team is a huge step backward.
 
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Nice win by Dan Martin today. Sad that the antics of another team are overshadowing it but gutsy move by Martin.

He looked like he had it the entire way. Fuglsang...dunno. Was solid but can he sprint? I didn't think so. It's like Dan Martin knew he had that in the bag.

At least JV and Garmin pulled something out of this mess of a Tour. Well done.
 
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That is what it looked like. Fuglsang looked smooth once the serious incline on the descent was past them. So roughly from the 18km mark on. Martin was bobbing up and down. Though he did ride that last 1km very wisely. Made Fuglsang lead out. I was hopping he'd hit the brakes.

Maybe JV and the team handpicked the stage and thus had proper recon on the final 500m with that tricky switchback into a sharp left hand turn? Either way, it was nice. As for the chasing bunch...I don't think they had much left. They're all lucky Valverde wasn't there for the win.