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Thats amusing.Benotti69 said:For a guy who has been boasting about a cleanER sport and taking lots of the praise, while flashing his MBA, all he can say is "I dont know", pretty inarticulate from a guy who fancies his articulateness......
Fair play to Vaughters for admitting his surprise rather than changing his opinion like others would do.“Listen, I still think Sky is the strongest team in the Tour, absolutely. But I think the difference that people will see in our team and Sky, and even a team like Movistar, or Saxo Bank, and Sky, I think those differences will be considerably smaller than they have been at the other races.”
— Jonathan Vaughters, 11 days ago.
He has just had a dirty sport re-served in his face. He could at least acknowledge it with more than 'I dont know', may i suggest, "that did not look good" or "I no longer believe"......Dr. Maserati said:Thats amusing.
You say he "boasts" about how cycling is cleaner, and then dismiss his "I don't know" tweet.
That is quite a big change from his previous positions.
Maybe, he said "I don't know.." because he, you know, doesn't know? Crazy right?Benotti69 said:He has just had a dirty sport re-served in his face. He could at least acknowledge it with more than 'I dont know', may i suggest, "that did not look good" or "I no longer believe"......
But Doc, JV is on the inside, ya know, he knows, if you know what i mean so it aint cool for JV to say 'i dont know', ya know........................Dr. Maserati said:Maybe, he said "I don't know.." because he, you know, doesn't know? Crazy right?
You were stating that JV boasts that the sport is cleanER - may I suggest you acknowledge that it is a very big departure from him to now say he doesn't know?
Give him a break..what else do you want him to say...Benotti69 said:But Doc, JV is on the inside, ya know, he knows, if you know what i mean so it aint cool for JV to say 'i dont know', ya know........................
But a couple of months ago he was bragging about how he wrote a paper back in 2001 or something where he called out superhuman w/kg performances.Dr. Maserati said:Maybe, he said "I don't know.." because he, you know, doesn't know? Crazy right?
You were stating that JV boasts that the sport is cleanER - may I suggest you acknowledge that it is a very big departure from him to now say he doesn't know?
He is on the inside, of his team.Benotti69 said:But Doc, JV is on the inside, ya know, he knows, if you know what i mean so it aint cool for JV to say 'i dont know', ya know........................
By what right do you claim to speak for him? JV is his own person and he can tell us himself what he knows and what he thinks.Benotti69 said:But Doc, JV is on the inside, ya know, he knows, if you know what i mean so it aint cool for JV to say 'i dont know', ya know........................
Ashenden spoke of the dark era not being over and JV wouldn't discuss it in here. He was asked about it and said the peloton was getting cleanER, well today that bubble burst and 'I dont know' aint acceptable to me. I said so.mewmewmew13 said:Give him a break..what else do you want him to say...
he doesn't know..really! He has no idea where the heck Team Sky is heading..
outerspace maybe but it's not JV's fault
Benottis point was that JV boasted that the peloton is cleaner, since JV is meant to be the PR King on clean cycling we should have expected him to say that today was completely normal, nothing to see here.Dear Wiggo said:Some people sure have rose coloured glasses on.
"I don't know" is exactly the same as no comment.
Yet somehow, it gets turned into a "massive shift in his position that the peloton is cleaner".
Good. Grief.
ok..from that viewpoint I can see where you're headed benotti....but JV is human..and he may be speechless at what he witnessed today alsoDr. Maserati said:Benottis point was that JV boasted that the peloton is cleaner, since JV is meant to be the PR King on clean cycling we should have expected him to say that today was completely normal, nothing to see here.
But he didn't....
Just like the Lance thing, if he knew and didn't say anything he's part of the problem. Insider and keeping it under warps or even not exposing what is obvious, then its back to 1999 and all that he has supposedly done goes back to square one.Benotti69 said:Ashenden spoke of the dark era not being over and JV wouldn't discuss it in here. He was asked about it and said the peloton was getting cleanER, well today that bubble burst and 'I dont know' aint acceptable to me. I said so.
Others can decide for themselves.
Or he doesn't know. Today's events are only going to dismay people who are advocates of a cleaner era purely on appearances alone irrespective of the facts. They even felt the need to comment on it on the TV when Froome was on the podium.ElChingon said:JV is either carrying the suitcase for the new era of cycling or the money bags of the past.
That's actually being generous on your part (as is your reputationBenotti69 said:Ashenden spoke of the dark era not being over and JV wouldn't discuss it in here.
Agree with this post completely. JV is not in a position to make outright statements about doping in another team by another rider. His tweet says everything he could say, and I'd say that it was more provocative than you could expect from any other DS in a public forum.gooner said:What do you expect him to say?
It's OK for anyone on the forum to say the above but what more can he say in his current position.
I think the "I just don't know" comment is telling enough of how he's currently thinking.
Have you not been following along?BroDeal said:You cannot use Sky's performance to damn JV.