JV talks, sort of

[pedaling squares]

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The Dawg's Ventoux was completely normal because it was slower than Mayo's ITT

Let's assume that the math is legit. 12% off a climbing specialist who climbed the mountain in a 21.5 km ITT on stage 4 of the Dauphine. And oh yeah, he was a doper. Top fuel EPO. Froome meanwhile, climbed the mountain after 220 km and on stage 15 of the Tour. I don't know where a talented and clean rider should place relative to Mayo, but I don't see that 12% as evidence of clean living.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Lol again, the Irish fellow getting spanked again, this time in a ITT, all at the hands of the squeaky clean brigade:

32 MARTIN Daniel Garmin - Sharp 3:22

If he's clean(er) against in-limits doping that's probably about right. Another possibility, he's not a grand tour specialist. The third week is when the grand tour specialists shine.

 

[thehog]

Let's assume that the math is legit. 12% off a climbing specialist who climbed the mountain in a 21.5 km ITT on stage 4 of the Dauphine. And oh yeah, he was a doper. Top fuel EPO. Froome meanwhile, climbed the mountain after 220 km and on stage 15 of the Tour. I don't know where a talented and clean rider should place relative to Mayo, but I don't see that 12% as evidence of clean living.

Now that you mention it. The math is terrible.

Mayo 55.51 in the ITT.

The Dawg 59.00 after 220km.

That's around 5%, no?

Jezus!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Indeed starting to have the looks of it.
It was striking how he felt a need to downplay the importance of Leinders a couple of days ago here in the clinic.

Hmm. Well, it's possible. Here he posts Froome as second fastest ever on the 2nd half.

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/356513694420701184

Conversely somewhere there was mention he had lunch with Porte too.

 

[thehog]

Hmm. Well, it's possible. Here he posts Froome as second fastest ever on the 2nd half.

https://twitter.com/TheRaceRadio/status/356513694420701184

Conversely somewhere there was mention he had lunch with Porte too.

True. I noted this reply to RR on the tweet you posted:

@TheRaceRadio Giving up with stats, nothing adds up, change by the minute, taken from different points. serve little or no use


.@gallagherbren I agree. Completely confused. Some numbers say he set records others say he was slow.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Now that you mention it. The math is terrible.

Mayo 55.51 in the ITT.

The Dawg 59.00 after 220km.

That's around 5%, no?

Jezus!

That's within 5% AFTER a 220K start ramp on the end of the second week of racing.

Brailsford had to know his guy was on-target for that performance when he made that crack about natural performance overtaking the doped.

It seems some things have changed for The Clinic

 

[hrotha]

I wonder how Talansky's data compares to his predicted best? He seems to be strong enough and yet nowhere close to the contenders:

14. USA TALANSKY Andrew 178 GARMIN - SHARP 04h 56' 21'' + 04' 49''

I won't bring up Dan Martin because I always saw him as an inconsistent rider for the GC.

 

[the sceptic]

If only JV had more money, his riders wouldnt lose 5 minutes on every MTF

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I wonder how Talansky's data compares to his predicted best? He seems to be strong enough and yet nowhere close to the contenders:

14. USA TALANSKY Andrew 178 GARMIN - SHARP 04h 56' 21'' + 04' 49''

I won't bring up Dan Martin because I always saw him as an inconsistent rider for the GC.

He was on the attack at a few points, and he's just not that good yet. He is third in the white JErsey competition, for what thats worth

 

[hrotha]

He was on the attack at a few points, and he's just not that good yet. He is third in the white JErsey competition, for what thats worth

But "he's not that good because he's being beaten by all those other riders, and he's being beaten by all those other riders because he's not that good" is a circular argument. I just wonder how his power output looks compared to the Vuelta, to his training rides, etc. In other words, whether or not he's underperforming.

 

[thehog]

That's within 5% AFTER a 220K start ramp on the end of the second week of racing.

Brailsford had to know his guy was on-target for that performance when he made that crack about natural performance overtaking the doped.

It seems some things have changed for The Clinic

Race Radio is now only in the PRR forum selling product placement for Sky. Literally gushing over the release or the Foome data.

He's become the Armstrong groupie that he used to despise.

 

[Taxus4a]

Now that you mention it. The math is terrible.

Mayo 55.51 in the ITT.

The Dawg 59.00 after 220km.

That's around 5%, no?

Jezus!

But I have read an interview that Mayo did today. He said in his record in Ventoux the day was hot and there was headwind in the bald part. the difference of wind is appreciable.

The record in alp Duez is not in the ITT, and that is becouse in an ITT you are alone, never sucking wheel, and that is important with wind (or without wind)

3.10 is a big difference, becouse Mayo was building his form in dauphine, and becouse in the same wind conditions could have been 5 minutes.

It is the peloton who is slower in the climbs.

Purito did today the same numbers that the last 8 years, or very similar, and now he is the best climber of the world except Quintana.

So, could I doubt about Purito? yes, but he could be clean.

Daniel...he seems as he has endurance for one day, but his recovery it is not so good, opposite to Contador.

Hesjedal is better for three weeks.

 

[weeniebeenie]

Race Radio is now only in the PRR forum selling product placement for Sky. Literally gushing over the release or the Foome data.

He's become the Armstrong groupie that he used to despise.

And you are still the moron that you have always been.

 

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
think that's enough about Race Radio on this JV thread. If you want to open a thread about RR apparent inconsistency do so, but remember RR is a member like all of us so use decorum.

thehog you are too close to the limit. Tread softly

Cheers
bison

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I wonder how Talansky's data compares to his predicted best? He seems to be strong enough and yet nowhere close to the contenders:

14. USA TALANSKY Andrew 178 GARMIN - SHARP 04h 56' 21'' + 04' 49''

I won't bring up Dan Martin because I always saw him as an inconsistent rider for the GC.

as expected beaten comprehensively by the squeaky clean group.

Martin is probably sick, but bad days in a GT used to be pretty normal in the past.

 

[thehog]

as expected beaten comprehensively by the squeaky clean group.

Martin is probably sick, but bad days in a GT used to be pretty normal in the past.

I do wonder what Dan Martin says to JV over a beer in regards to Froome.

 

[Ferminal]

The Tour looks great for Martin. He won his home race and peaked for the Ardennes but has been unable to find top form since.

Edit: I mean he's a doper as clean riders are 98-100% of best every race of the year.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But "he's not that good because he's being beaten by all those other riders, and he's being beaten by all those other riders because he's not that good" is a circular argument. I just wonder how his power output looks compared to the Vuelta, to his training rides, etc. In other words, whether or not he's underperforming.

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 15u
@Vaughters #TDF, Stage 18. Alpe d'Huez (13.80 kkm, 8.11 %, 1119 m). Andrew Talansky: 42 min 27 sec, 19.51 Kph, VAM 1582 m/h, 5.63 W/kg [DrF]

Fignonesque numbers. I would think Vaughters will be proud of that.
Pretty comparable to the Vuelta it seems.

 

[armchairclimber]

I'm here to protect the Clinic nothing else.

Thanks for that "coffee down the nose" experience.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 15u
@Vaughters #TDF, Stage 18. Alpe d'Huez (13.80 kkm, 8.11 %, 1119 m). Andrew Talansky: 42 min 27 sec, 19.51 Kph, VAM 1582 m/h, 5.63 W/kg [DrF]

Fignonesque numbers. I would think Vaughters will be proud of that.
Pretty comparable to the Vuelta it seems.

well, its a performance which could yield a result in a clean-ish GT, but no chance this year.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

well, its a performance which could yield a result in a clean-ish GT, but no chance this year.

185. Cadel Evans _________ AUS | 42:07 | 2011
94. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 40:56 | 1991
168. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 41:56 | 1987
199. Laurent Fignon ______ FRA | 42:15 | 1989

133. Alberto Contador ____ ESP | 41:33 | 2011

Contador yesterday around 41.50
Actually pretty good.

 

[Benotti69]

Hey JV, when USADA was handing out the 'winter holiday' did you not ask the rest of the team did anyone one need one?

So anyone else got 'history'? Hi Ryder.......................

 

[sniper]

so Klier was clean when he won the 13th stage of the 2007 vuelta?

all these doped-till-2006 confessions aren't exactly increasing garmin's credibility.

pretty farcical, actually.

 

[Escarabajo]

Let's assume that the math is legit. 12% off a climbing specialist who climbed the mountain in a 21.5 km ITT on stage 4 of the Dauphine. And oh yeah, he was a doper. Top fuel EPO. Froome meanwhile, climbed the mountain after 220 km and on stage 15 of the Tour. I don't know where a talented and clean rider should place relative to Mayo, but I don't see that 12% as evidence of clean living.

You stole my thought.

Merckx was able to do a 6.2-6.3 Watts / kg on a fresh day. But after so many hard stages in the Tour it would be a tough task to get close to those initial numbers. That's where the 6 watts/kg came from. I was confused in the past about it also. Lemond's numbers is another example. Just like Merckx.

 

[the sceptic]

so Klier was clean when he won the 13th stage of the 2007 vuelta?

all these doped-till-2006 confessions aren't exactly increasing garmin's credibility.

pretty farcical, actually.

Amazing how everyone wants to ride clean for JV, after been doping for most of their careers

Now im just waiting for JV to come in here and continue with his mantra that we have a young clean generation of riders, speeds are down, everyone stopped doping in 2006, etc etc