JV talks, sort of

[Benotti69]

Nicely put Joerg

Joerg Jaksche @jaksche ? Feb 28
@ulif @matthewlcooke the religion of vaughterism is like every other religion..a carte blanche to earn money!

 

[blackcat]

Nicely put Joerg

does someone wanna ask Doug Ellis if it was he who came as the patron, or did JV hit him up and sell him on it?

 

[ralphbert]

Could you post some examples? I don't recall any of the frequent posters defending Contador as clean. I'd be quite surprised beyond maybe La Florecita.

I don't think anyone thinks conti is clean but personally i think he is super talented, I just love the way races and every other GC is on a program so he is a favourite of mine.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Cannondale-Garmin is the only team not to have posted a single point after 21 days of WorldTour racing.

Much cleaner this year, JV. Good to see.

 

[Benotti69]

Hey JV it would appear UCI did not send samples to the Cologne lab for testing in 2013 and 2014! Were you aware of this?

 

[Benotti69]

Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters · 2h 2 hours ago
@BearBinnedFicus @SSbike @julienpretotRTR @PaulKimmage how many were invited to speak to circ? Zero on my team. Big weakness in report.

So Vaughters when you talked to CIRC did you tell them to invite your riders to come and talk in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner or did you tell your riders to go talk to CIRC in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner?

 

[D-Queued]

Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters · 2h 2 hours ago
@BearBinnedFicus @SSbike @julienpretotRTR @PaulKimmage how many were invited to speak to circ? Zero on my team. Big weakness in report.

So Vaughters when you talked to CIRC did you tell them to invite your riders to come and talk in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner or did you tell your riders to go talk to CIRC in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner?

Don't we know the answer to this question, because it is actually in the report?

How about: How many volunteered?

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters · 2h 2 hours ago
@BearBinnedFicus @SSbike @julienpretotRTR @PaulKimmage how many were invited to speak to circ? Zero on my team. Big weakness in report.

So Vaughters when you talked to CIRC did you tell them to invite your riders to come and talk in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner or did you tell your riders to go talk to CIRC in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner?

Don't we know the answer to this question, because it is actually in the report?

How about: How many volunteered?

Dave.

My question to 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' JV, was why didn't he kick thier ar$es down to the CIRC?

 

[D-Queued]

Jonathan Vaughters @Vaughters · 2h 2 hours ago
@BearBinnedFicus @SSbike @julienpretotRTR @PaulKimmage how many were invited to speak to circ? Zero on my team. Big weakness in report.

So Vaughters when you talked to CIRC did you tell them to invite your riders to come and talk in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner or did you tell your riders to go talk to CIRC in your 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' manner?

Don't we know the answer to this question, because it is actually in the report?

How about: How many volunteered?

Dave.

My question to 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' JV, was why didn't he kick thier ar$es down to the CIRC?

And, your question is well taken.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Coz incriminating (honest). Or pointless (not). Take your pick.

 

[sniper]

My question to 'dedicated my life to anti-doping' JV, was why didn't he kick thier ar$es down to the CIRC?

i'm happy he didn't.
the report would have been unreadable with crap statements about clean(ER) cycling.

I honestly think it speaks volumes that neither Millar nor any of the Garmin boys went to talk to CIRC, and then afterwards start a public campaign to discredit the report.

I also think the report did a pretty decent job exposing JV's ongoing clean(ER) cycling PR campaign for what it is: a load of salestalk.
"not what the cool kids do..."
"dopers now get ostracized"
"cycling is now clean"
he actually literally said all that. go figure.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

So, Vaughters spoke about Comercial Agreements and Sponsorships at the Tackling Doping in Sport conference:

"Sponsorship uncertainty can cause desperation."

"When I was riding it was socially acceptable to dope - it was a a laughing matter."

and a shoutout to the haters: "Thank you for all the positive feedback and comments on my presentation today. I owe a lot of that insight to my fiercest critics"

This conversation about the acceptance of doping is moot, if the possibility of getting away with it is still there. Riders aren't in the peloton to make friends and be accepted. Whether the culture has changed or not doesn't matter, because the doping sure hasn't.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

So, Vaughters spoke about Comercial Agreements and Sponsorships at the Tackling Doping in Sport conference:

"Sponsorship uncertainty can cause desperation."

"When I was riding it was socially acceptable to dope - it was a a laughing matter."

and a shoutout to the haters: "Thank you for all the positive feedback and comments on my presentation today. I owe a lot of that insight to my fiercest critics"

This conversation about the acceptance of doping is moot, if the possibility of getting away with it is still there. Riders aren't in the peloton to make friends and be accepted. Whether the culture has changed or not doesn't matter, because the doping sure hasn't.

More BS from JV.

Where is it socially unacceptable among the peloton to dope? Contador shunned by all the other riders? Hesjedal, Dekker, Horner, Pozzatto, Piti, Scheleck, etc all these riders are socially unaccepted by the rest?

JV keeps going on about it being cleaner, Porte didn't get the memo? UCI stopped using Cologne lab as it was to good at catching doping.

JV a doper who never served his ban buying Porches now and drink fine wines. Its good to dope.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

So yeah JV. About Dekker losing 4kg and increasing his power - how did that pan out?

 

[Benotti69]

Hey JV, you better have a word with Ryder, looks like he is back on the dope....today +27:49 on TVG......

 

[sniper]

from the its_cleanuptime twitter account neineinei just posted:

"Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower"

ouch, especially if that was during Creed's Garmin years...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

from the its_cleanuptime twitter account neineinei just posted:

"Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower"

ouch, especially if that was during Creed's Garmin years...

I have dedicated my life to antidoping scandal.

 

[sniper]

john ‏@its_cleanuptime 18h18 hours ago

There more to it. Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower
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mike ‏@veloclinic 9h9 hours ago

@its_cleanuptime have you asked/confronted @Vaughters directly ?
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john ‏@its_cleanuptime 9h9 hours ago

@veloclinic No man, what do you think he'd say anyway.
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mike ‏@veloclinic 9h9 hours ago

@its_cleanuptime he told me about how Allen lim was a dope courier for Floyd Landis and how Lance arranged a bad bag for Floyd
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john ‏@its_cleanuptime 9h9 hours ago

@veloclinic ***.... big one. Thanks bro.

 

[blackcat]

from the its_cleanuptime twitter account neineinei just posted:

"Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower"

ouch, especially if that was during Creed's Garmin years...

did Creed ever go on Garmin? Coulda been on TIAA-CRef, or TIAA-Creff the American domestic/UCI div3 espoir development team

 

[Dear Wiggo]

@sniper: do this instead? ;-)

https://twitter.com/its_cleanuptime/sta ... 6349312001

 

[Dear Wiggo]

from the its_cleanuptime twitter account neineinei just posted:

"Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower"

ouch, especially if that was during Creed's Garmin years...

did Creed ever go on Garmin? Coulda been on TIAA-CRef, or TIAA-Creff the American domestic/UCI div3 espoir development team

Makes it worse, given their alleged reson detre at the time.

 

[blackcat]

from the its_cleanuptime twitter account neineinei just posted:

"Mike has some old emails between him and JV, where JV explains to him exactly how to gear up. #thismuchpower"

ouch, especially if that was during Creed's Garmin years...

I have dedicated my life to antidoping scandal.

doug ellis just suggested a tilt in July? #myarse

 

[sniper]

Re:

@sniper: do this instead? ;-)

https://twitter.com/its_cleanuptime/sta ... 6349312001

aw, it's that easy?

@blackcat, Creed's wiki says Garmin-Sharp from 2006-7.
not sure how correct that is.

 

[blackcat]

I reckon Travis might like these emails.

 

[red_flanders]

Who is this guy and why should he be believed if he has none of the emails? Not that I necessarily doubt it, but without some credibility or proof he's just blowing smoke.