JV talks, sort of

[blackcat]

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Wonder, was Barry taking a swipe at Ryder or JV when he did this?

false dichotomy.

singing like an apex predating canary he was side-swiping two competitor birds with a single affidavit = #WIN


BarryFTW

 

[blackcat]

where is this apartment for rent?

I am seeking a nice AirBnB overlooking manhattan, say... brooklyn bridge. a view of the Twin Towers would be a bonus.

 

[blackcat]

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hehe

Johan................ &#128528

Maybe JV wasn't as clean after USPS as he makes claim...

no maybes, then or now......

Jonathan VaughtersVerified account
‏@Vaughters

I always question if a luxury hotel is truly a luxury hotel if there are no hookers at the bar.

 

[Stingray34]

And now JV has employed JM Garate as a DS. Loved to have heard the latter's mea culpa.

"I only injected edgar, that I bought for my diabetic grandma, once, but I didn't inhale, then left the ampoules at home as I sub-consciously wanted to be caught, but my dog Piti, that had canine dementia, ate them before the Guardia Civil arrived."

"I hear ya. Wanna be DS?"

 

[sniper]

And now JV has employed JM Garate as a DS. Loved to have heard the latter's mea culpa.

"I only injected edgar, that I bought for my diabetic grandma, once, but I didn't inhale, then left the ampoules at home as I sub-consciously wanted to be caught, but my dog Piti, that had canine dementia, ate them before the Guardia Civil arrived."

"I hear ya. Wanna be DS?"

Garate is as old school as they come.
Even Benson and Race Radio must have raised an eyebrow here.

 

[Stingray34]

And now JV has employed JM Garate as a DS. Loved to have heard the latter's mea culpa.

"I only injected edgar, that I bought for my diabetic grandma, once, but I didn't inhale, then left the ampoules at home as I sub-consciously wanted to be caught, but my dog Piti, that had canine dementia, ate them before the Guardia Civil arrived."

"I hear ya. Wanna be DS?"

Garate is as old school as they come.
Even Benson and Race Radio must have raised an eyebrow here.

Not a word in the CN article either about Garate's doping run-ins. Almost expected them to include a line about the guy espousing ciabatta bread and San Pellegino water for racing. Whitewash. Or is that a Vaughters-Out?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Gárate:

"We live in a hypocritical world, not wanting to accept where we’re coming from and that it can’t be wiped out.

“Rather than a kid of 20 years old who has come up through the ranks and doesn’t know anything, the ones who can better resolve the situation are the riders and directors who’ve been through the tough times and we know what shouldn’t be done.

"We’re the ones who have to move things forward...take control and make them see that before things were done one way but for some years now they have been different. We have to regain credibility."

link

 

[The Hitch]

Oh yeah, Garate knows what shouldn't be done all right. What shouldn't be done is "not dope". Then you can't cash in 10 years down the line on the connections you made with your doping buddies.

 

[roundabout]

I liked this one more (from the same article)

On Barredo:

I think I know him better than whatever the [physiological] parameters of [used by] the UCI say

Regarding his doping, he rode for some extremely suspicious teams, but I do not recall him being named in anything doping related.

And at any rate, the signing is hardly that much worse than sigining Fabrizio "positive A sample" Guidi.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

The punchline was left out of from that link.

Garate: Riders should police themselves

Now that is funny.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Now that is funny.

It's funny cause it's true. Riders should police themselves, riders should be conscious of the signals from team-mates and other riders, riders should report what they know to the authorities (of course, as the IAAF and UCI have historically shown us, telling the authorities something can often backfire and the messenger finds himself shot).

 

[sniper]

never tested positive.

Craig Lewis (I think) also joining GC in 2016.
Here's Lewis mixing it up with 'good dopers' VdV and Hincapie:
https://twitter.com/craiglewis85/status/636611964643508224

Add Charlie Wegelius (with his 50+ hematocrit exemption), and Vaughters' recruitment policy becomes pretty transparent.

Is that drug courier Weltz still working for GC?

edit: and indeed Fabrizio Guidi.

 

[GuyIncognito]

The punchline was left out of from that link.

Garate: Riders should police themselves

Now that is funny.

Funnily enough, in a lot of cases it kinda works if you just let them talk. A lot of them can't resist outing themselves.

Remember when EPO first appeared around 1990, one of the first performances to raise eyebrows was when Rudy '1 career win' Dhaenens and his buddy Dirk de Wolf rode a two-man TT faster than the entire peloton of stars trying to catch them. They stayed away very easily and Dhaenens was world champion leaving a lot of people wondering who the hell he was.

I re-watched that race recently. At the end there's an interview with Dhaenens where it's clear he's talking about being on EPO before most are.

His eyes are as wide as saucers as he describes the effects of trying out EPO without actually saying the word 'EPO'.

Goes on about how he 'suddenly had great form' and how he 'couldn't believe' how strong he was since a few weeks before the race, and 'I knew that if I was ever going to have a chance to win big, this was it because I can't sprint, i can't time trial, i can't climb...if I was going to win it was going to be now or never'.

They say the criminal always comes back to the scene of the crime. It seems to me that subconsciously a lot of these guys really want to talk about it.

 

[sniper]

The punchline was left out of from that link.

Garate: Riders should police themselves

Now that is funny.

Funnily enough, in a lot of cases it kinda works if you just let them talk. A lot of them can't resist outing themselves.

Remember when EPO first appeared around 1990, one of the first performances to raise eyebrows was when Rudy '1 career win' Dhaenens and his buddy Dirk de Wolf rode a two-man TT faster than the entire peloton of stars trying to catch them. They stayed away very easily and Dhaenens was world champion leaving a lot of people wondering who the hell he was.

I re-watched that race recently. At the end there's an interview with Dhaenens where it's clear he's talking about being on EPO before most are.

His eyes are as wide as saucers as he describes the effects of trying out EPO without actually saying the word 'EPO'.

Goes on about how he 'suddenly had great form' and how he 'couldn't believe' how strong he was since a few weeks before the race, and 'I knew that if I was ever going to have a chance to win big, this was it because I can't sprint, i can't time trial, i can't climb...if I was going to win it was going to be now or never'.

They say the criminal always comes back to the scene of the crime. It seems to me that subconsciously a lot of these guys really want to talk about it.

If you have a link to that Dhaenens footage, i'd love to see it.

(Off topic: Dhaenens is also one of the guys who said that it was Lemond who introduced EPO. Apparently he said that in some interview, but I can't find when/where. If you happen to be in the know, I'd be obliged.)

 

[GuyIncognito]

Never seen the LeMond thing said or mentioned, anywhere.

The footage of Dhaenens I saw at a friend's house, it's right at the very end of a 1 hour report on the 1990 Worlds. I asked him, and apparently he got it from cyclingtorrents.

 

[Irondan]

If anyone finds the 'Lemond thing' please post it in the Lemond thread.

 

[Benotti69]

He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

 

[sniper]

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He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

 

[Benotti69]

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He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

Yep, illustrates very well how JV plays both sides of the fence.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

I don't see how this is linked with what JV said?

And I agree with Beno, sounds like Johnny is still angry he couldn't afford Alberto

"He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’........."
This sentence doesn't even make sense to me

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

I don't see how this is linked with what JV said?

And I agree with Beno, sounds like Johnny is still angry he couldn't afford Alberto

"He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’........."
This sentence doesn't even make sense to me

as Beno says, jv playing both sides.

Seems to be dissing Alberto in that CN press release.
But never mind he used to be a big fan of Alberto in the past, even though Alberto's doping was clear to everybody with a bit of a cycling nouse.
And San Millan has been Garmin's doctor for years. JV has always maintained that his interest in Alberto emerged from the fact that San Millan was sitting on Alberto's brilliant test data and could therefore vouch for Contador's brilliant natural talent.
It's pseudo science at its worst.

 

[blackcat]

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... Vaughter's case another ex doper running a dirty team telling fans some *** he thinks they'll believe.

This sums up.

Touting a super clean team got him in the big leagues. Once he got there he had to play ball.

bingo.

Wendi Ding Ding Ding Deng bingo.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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as Beno says, jv playing both sides.

Seems to be dissing Alberto in that CN press release.
But never mind he used to be a big fan of Alberto in the past, even though Alberto's doping was clear to everybody with a bit of a cycling nouse.
And San Millan has been Garmin's doctor for years. JV has always maintained that his interest in Alberto emerged from the fact that San Millan was sitting on Alberto's brilliant test data and could therefore vouch for Contador's brilliant natural talent.
It's pseudo science at its worst.

JV is a tool, what else is new?

 

[Spawn of e]

Re: Re:

He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

I don't see how this is linked with what JV said?

And I agree with Beno, sounds like Johnny is still angry he couldn't afford Alberto

"He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’........."
This sentence doesn't even make sense to me

as Beno says, jv playing both sides.

Seems to be dissing Alberto in that CN press release.
But never mind he used to be a big fan of Alberto in the past, even though Alberto's doping was clear to everybody with a bit of a cycling nouse.
And San Millan has been Garmin's doctor for years. JV has always maintained that his interest in Alberto emerged from the fact that San Millan was sitting on Alberto's brilliant test data and could therefore vouch for Contador's brilliant natural talent.
It's pseudo science at its worst.

How do you read that? He was saying Tinkoff basically had no discipline to help control cost in the sport, then he complained about it.

The article was about high salaries and what can be done to alleviate that in such a way that will help stabilize the sport financially. Same old stale clinic tangential *** flinging.....turning any point or discussion into an attack centered around PEDs.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’.........

Still sore that Contador never rode for you JV......

Donate to Contador, Hincapie, Danielson etc etc .........SSDD.

I went to Denver on Wednesday to do some testing with Inigo San Millan. He has worked with all of the top name professional cyclist that exist today. In his office is a signed authentic yellow jersey that belonged to Alberto Contador and all it says is "Gracias Inigo".

http://alexhagman.blogspot.com/

I don't see how this is linked with what JV said?

And I agree with Beno, sounds like Johnny is still angry he couldn't afford Alberto

"He was effectively donating money to the ‘save the Alberto Contador salary fund’........."
This sentence doesn't even make sense to me

as Beno says, jv playing both sides.

Seems to be dissing Alberto in that CN press release.
But never mind he used to be a big fan of Alberto in the past, even though Alberto's doping was clear to everybody with a bit of a cycling nouse.
And San Millan has been Garmin's doctor for years. JV has always maintained that his interest in Alberto emerged from the fact that San Millan was sitting on Alberto's brilliant test data and could therefore vouch for Contador's brilliant natural talent.
It's pseudo science at its worst.

How do you read that? He was saying Tinkoff basically had no discipline to help control cost in the sport, then he complained about it.

The article was about high salaries and what can be done to alleviate that in such a way that will help stabilize the sport financially. Same old stale clinic tangential **** flinging.....turning any point or discussion into an attack centered around PEDs.

no pawn intended.
was just a reminder of some of JV's hypocrisy, irrespective of that latest press release.
that said, JV dedicates his life to antidoping, so seems warranted to analyse his words from that angle.